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post #1711 of 2194
Last fall, I had a few conversations with Dan Ullmer at WECT. I went as far as to offer my personal help. I had NBC's network audio guru, Jim Starzynski, email Dan and offer his assistance. Dan replied to Jim that the station had many issues and it would only be a short time until the issues were resolved. Dan grew tired of talking with me. That was six months ago.

I mixed a Super Bowl in 5.1 and got home to enjoy it in stereo - very disappointing.

I am firing off a new round of emails to some connections I have at Raycom. Raycom owns WECT and operates WSFX. WSFX has no problem passing along a 5.1 signal. I don't see how WECT can't get their signal online. I know that the NBC signal chain is perfect. WECT should be able to pass it along.

I hope to know more in the next few weeks.

Wendel
post #1712 of 2194
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Originally Posted by SNF Mixer View Post

Last fall, I had a few conversations with Dan Ullmer at WECT. I went as far as to offer my personal help. I had NBC's network audio guru, Jim Starzynski, email Dan and offer his assistance. Dan replied to Jim that the station had many issues and it would only be a short time until the issues were resolved. Dan grew tired of talking with me. That was six months ago.

I mixed a Super Bowl in 5.1 and got home to enjoy it in stereo - very disappointing.

I am firing off a new round of emails to some connections I have at Raycom. Raycom owns WECT and operates WSFX. WSFX has no problem passing along a 5.1 signal. I don't see how WECT can't get their signal online. I know that the NBC signal chain is perfect. WECT should be able to pass it along.

I hope to know more in the next few weeks.

Wendel

Agreed!

Somewhere way back in this thread, it was mentioned that their DD encoder "died" and they had to fall back to 2.0. September '08, maybe? I was talking to Jim H. back in November and teased him a bit about the audio. He said they were still trying to get their HD color right at that point...probably means sound is a very low priority.

While you're at it, do you know anyone at CBS or Capital? Most of my network viewing is CBS, which is also only retransmitting a 2 channel mix. Rumor has it, 'The Unit' has quite a decent 5.1 mix.

-Brent
post #1713 of 2194
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Originally Posted by SNF Mixer View Post

Last fall, I had a few conversations with Dan Ullmer at WECT. I went as far as to offer my personal help. I had NBC's network audio guru, Jim Starzynski, email Dan and offer his assistance. Dan replied to Jim that the station had many issues and it would only be a short time until the issues were resolved. Dan grew tired of talking with me. That was six months ago.

I mixed a Super Bowl in 5.1 and got home to enjoy it in stereo - very disappointing.

I am firing off a new round of emails to some connections I have at Raycom. Raycom owns WECT and operates WSFX. WSFX has no problem passing along a 5.1 signal. I don't see how WECT can't get their signal online. I know that the NBC signal chain is perfect. WECT should be able to pass it along.

I hope to know more in the next few weeks.

Wendel

If you go back in this thread, it is mentioned that Dan took down the Dolby digital encoder because he couldn't get it set up right, and it was causing too many problems for people that don't have a Dolby Digital sound system?? I didn't understand that...

I know that this was around the very same time that they started overlaying HD weather crawls during HD shows so that they wouldn't have to go back to SD

There was nothing wrong with the Dolby Digital sound. It really sounded awesome on my system.

I still am getting popping sounds faintly on WSFX.
post #1714 of 2194
Experiencing low signal strength (WECT DT) up in Jacksonville. No break-ups picture and sound wise though... ABC and FOX are normal.
post #1715 of 2194
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNF Mixer View Post

Last fall, I had a few conversations with Dan Ullmer at WECT. I went as far as to offer my personal help. I had NBC's network audio guru, Jim Starzynski, email Dan and offer his assistance. Dan replied to Jim that the station had many issues and it would only be a short time until the issues were resolved. Dan grew tired of talking with me. That was six months ago.

I mixed a Super Bowl in 5.1 and got home to enjoy it in stereo - very disappointing.

I am firing off a new round of emails to some connections I have at Raycom. Raycom owns WECT and operates WSFX. WSFX has no problem passing along a 5.1 signal. I don't see how WECT can't get their signal online. I know that the NBC signal chain is perfect. WECT should be able to pass it along.

I hope to know more in the next few weeks.

Wendel


I have wondered why this is taking so long. Does Dan seem to be over his head? Or did we annoy him to the point he has dropped it as a priority? I have E_Mailed him several times without reply. Maybe I am over simplfiy but aren't these encoders, somewhat, plug and play if you have a good audio stream?
post #1716 of 2194
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Originally Posted by Rich in ILM View Post

I have wondered why this is taking so long. Does Dan seem to be over his head? Or did we annoy him to the point he has dropped it as a priority? I have E_Mailed him several times without reply. Maybe I am over simplfiy but aren't these encoders, somewhat, plug and play if you have a good audio stream?

If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably a budget issue. You don't think Hanchett, Eliott, and Carnissi left at the same time because they wanted new/no jobs, do you?

I can't find the email I exchanged with WILM about their 5.1 upgrade, but they were supposedly working on it, too. It's probably been close to 2 years since I had that conversation....still waiting.
post #1717 of 2194
I'm starting to wonder if WECT didn't give up their encoder to some other Raycom station? It's been almost a half a year since I got 5.1 Dolby out of them. I can't imagine they would let somethiing that expensive sit around for as long as they have.

I'm curious like river about the departure of the best people WECT had. I bet the company wanted them to take a cut, and they turned them down.

In the Greenville stations, they let some of their people go, because of hard times.

Are any of you other OTA folks getting a low signal on 6.1?
post #1718 of 2194
I am bit closer than you. In Pender county 3 miles southeast of Wallace. The only problem I have had is my antenna mount moving with constant 20 mph winds it seems. To cold and windy to go up on the roof. MY signal is solid at 100% Fox26 is more problematic. I have the antenna pointed directly at it at 92-94%. My OTA receiver is an AIM21 from Directv.
post #1719 of 2194
Thanks brice.

I am getting solid pictures and sound, even with all the wind. WECT signal just went from 91 down to 60 apparently sometime after the last round of storms came through the area. I'm getting Fox 26 at 75% (No change)

It could be my box just doesn't like the data being sent out on 6 for some reason...

I'm not getting on the roof again until I add a high band VHF for the stations changing frequency on June 12. If you wish to get WCTI or WTVD, you may want to think about that. If you are getting WNCT, you probably don't need to do anything. WYDO FOX 14 will move to a tower much closer out of Jones county, and you will at that time get two FOX's OTA.
post #1720 of 2194
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Originally Posted by Rich in ILM View Post

I have wondered why this is taking so long. Does Dan seem to be over his head? Or did we annoy him to the point he has dropped it as a priority? I have E_Mailed him several times without reply. Maybe I am over simplfiy but aren't these encoders, somewhat, plug and play if you have a good audio stream?

Well I guess we aren't going to hear anything.
Another major part of HDTV thwarted by a local station.
I guess we should be greatful to WSFX and WWAY for 5.1.
post #1721 of 2194
Wow, no bitching and moaning about WWAY being mostly SD last night? Must've been the network feed? Since the studio shots were in HD...

Oh well...
post #1722 of 2194
Only watched FOX last night at 9PM-10:30.
post #1723 of 2194
LOL... I guess I can't say I was watching, since I was really recording for later viewing, but in surfing, saw that it was mostly in SD...
post #1724 of 2194
We had a closed captioning problem from the HD feed so we had to go over to the SD feed from ABC. That was fixed the next morning and all is good again. Sorry about that.
post #1725 of 2194
Thanks for the update Billy...

BTW, jspENC, you are missing "Better Off Ted" if you're only watching Fox on that night...

Great comedy, which of course means it will be canceled...
post #1726 of 2194
Marc,

I haven't checked that show out yet. I'll look into it.

I see WWAY now has an HD storm alert unit, but they don't mention Onslow county on it. Did you forget some counties Billy when you installed it? It's nice not to lose HD like what was done last season a few times.
post #1727 of 2194
Onslow County is not in the Wilmington DMA. We have 5 counties that we cover for weather alerts and such... New Hanover, Brunswick, Pender, Columbus and Bladen is our coverage area. We have taken so much heat from viewers over the past year or two for interrupting programming to report severe weather, that we have had to trim back on when, where and how we cut in, while keeping within specs for the FCC requirements. Its a pretty touchy subject around here right now, trust me.
post #1728 of 2194
Billy, don't feel too bad about getting complaints. It isn't just your station that the whiners are contacting. I know that this is going on in my own DMA, and it has gotten to the point that it is going both ways now. Some are upset that they aren't getting warned while the others are mad that their view is getting blocked by crawls and maps. One county at night north of me was in a Tornado Warning last year, and some woman wrote in and complained about missing 15 minutes of a re-run by some "babling weatherman", and the next thing you know, the guy is let go by the station. It was unbelievable.

No matter what you do, people are never satisfied. I think your station has always done right by keeping it's viewers aware, and that is one reason why I watched your weather center over many years.
post #1729 of 2194
2010 or 5.1 on WECT? WILM?

post #1730 of 2194
Question on cable TV

A friend of mine recently got a new HDTV with tuner built in, hooked it to cable here in Jacksonville and didn't find ANY Wilmington channels. At one time, you could get WWAY HD and WECT HD with their weather channels on cable here. The analogs are still on channels 6 and 11, but no digitals could be located. In market channels show up as 7.1 / 8.1 / 9.1 / 12.1 etc... all except PBS which shows up on 93x's

Thought the engineers might know why or want to know that the Wilmington stations aren't being passed any longer? My friend would really like to get them, and the only way she can is with an antenna, and it would require an A/B switch with another coax run the way things are now.
post #1731 of 2194
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Originally Posted by jspENC View Post

Question on cable TV

A friend of mine recently got a new HDTV with tuner built in, hooked it to cable here in Jacksonville and didn't find ANY Wilmington channels. At one time, you could get WWAY HD and WECT HD with their weather channels on cable here. The analogs are still on channels 6 and 11, but no digitals could be located. In market channels show up as 7.1 / 8.1 / 9.1 / 12.1 etc... all except PBS which shows up on 93x's

Thought the engineers might know why or want to know that the Wilmington stations aren't being passed any longer? My friend would really like to get them, and the only way she can is with an antenna, and it would require an A/B switch with another coax run the way things are now.

If your friend is not using an HD convertor box and the TV DOES NOT tune QAM (Clear digital on cable) he is not going to see any of the digital channels on cable. Unfortunately even some of the newest TVs only tune NTSC and ATSC. To receive digital on cable you have to have QAM capability also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner
post #1732 of 2194
Thanks Rich,

Yea it has a QAM tuner. It is the new 32" Samsung found at Sears and Best Buy. 30000:1 Contrast Ratio.
post #1733 of 2194
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Originally Posted by jspENC View Post

Thanks Rich,

Yea it has a QAM tuner. It is the new 32" Samsung found at Sears and Best Buy. 30000:1 Contrast Ratio.


It's funny you mention that. I was just talikng to a Guy at Sam's and he has never been able to find a definitive statement on what Samsung models tune. I was just on their website and couldn't find a mention of QAM anywhere.
post #1734 of 2194
I too have found that some published specs on new tv's don't include whether they have QAM tuners--when in fact most of them do...
post #1735 of 2194
This one definitely does, because it found several digital versions of cable channels, and all of the major Greenville/New Bern/ Morehad City HD channels. I went into the menu system and saw where you can manually delete all the weird frequencies, such as 79.1 .2 .3 etc all the way up to near 120.5 as far as I went when I quit. There are tiers of different frequencies, just like the Sony TV's that have QAM. I've never hooked my Samsung to a cable system, but I know it's got QAM also as it states it in the manual. Mines only been hooked to my antenna and Directv box.

I know that WECT HD is not on the Fayetteville cable system either, or at least I couldn't find it on my families TV while there searching. I did find the much deluted digital version on 118.4 I think or something in the 118's.
post #1736 of 2194
I know Time Warner has done something similar here in Wilson. All the Triangle stations are in HD, but WNCT AND WITN are not, just the SD signals. WNCT and WITN should complain. I'm glad I don't have cable.
post #1737 of 2194
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Originally Posted by jspENC View Post

Question on cable TV

A friend of mine recently got a new HDTV with tuner built in, hooked it to cable here in Jacksonville and didn't find ANY Wilmington channels. At one time, you could get WWAY HD and WECT HD with their weather channels on cable here. The analogs are still on channels 6 and 11, but no digitals could be located. In market channels show up as 7.1 / 8.1 / 9.1 / 12.1 etc... all except PBS which shows up on 93x's

Thought the engineers might know why or want to know that the Wilmington stations aren't being passed any longer? My friend would really like to get them, and the only way she can is with an antenna, and it would require an A/B switch with another coax run the way things are now.

Checking the channel lineupt for J'ville at twceastnc.com shows no listing for WWAY or WECT in the HD lineup, only in basic cable. WCTI and WITN appear to be your in market ABC and NBC affiliates and are available in HD. I'm kinda surprised to see you even have SD WWAY/WECT since only the in market is a "must carry". I can't imagine WCTI/WITN are real happy with TWC for carrying competing out of market affiliates. Market politics aside, the WECT/WWAY HD feeds were probably dropped to free up bandwidth.

-Brent
post #1738 of 2194
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Originally Posted by riverwolf View Post

Checking the channel lineupt for J'ville at twceastnc.com shows no listing for WWAY or WECT in the HD lineup, only in basic cable. WCTI and WITN appear to be your in market ABC and NBC affiliates and are available in HD. I'm kinda surprised to see you even have SD WWAY/WECT since only the in market is a "must carry". I can't imagine WCTI/WITN are real happy with TWC for carrying competing out of market affiliates. Market politics aside, the WECT/WWAY HD feeds were probably dropped to free up bandwidth.

-Brent

I don't usually go into tangents like this on the forum, but today, I think I will. LOL

I could care less where the boundaries are drawn as far as markets go. WWAY and WECT have been substantially viewed stations in this area for as long as they have been on the air. That is the only reason they are on cable to start with. If WITN or WCTI don't like that, then they should work harder to fix it and cover the county with more news coming out of here. We often have gotten better storm coverage off of Wilmington stations than off of the Greenville ones. Come here and ask anyone in town that has been in this area over the years and they will tell you the same thing. Hurricanes are a number one example. We had a Tornado right in the middle of town on 17 during Bertha or Fran, (can't remember which one exactly) and WWAY was the only station that had a Live doppler radar,and was the first station on the air. It was Jerry Jackson and he was zoomed right into the storm showing it was moving away. The other stations came on late, and showed the Tornado was miles behind where it really was. WWAY and WECT are the only receivable channels in Duplin and Onslow counties that are doing a newscast in High Def. The Greenville, New Bern channels cover 17 counties plus Wayne, Wilson, and Edgecombe for news and often don't get everything on the air that happens in this area of the southern counties. Wilmington only has 5 counties in their market, so they have more chances to talk about what is going on here vs. the others.

Cable TV has ruined (in my opinion) many different options to choose from in local TV viewing. They tell you what you have to watch vs. what is available out there to pick from.
post #1739 of 2194
HBO and Cinemax on Directv are available this weekend. Thought I'd post in case you might not have known it.
post #1740 of 2194
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Originally Posted by Rich in ILM View Post

I have wondered why this is taking so long. Does Dan seem to be over his head? Or did we annoy him to the point he has dropped it as a priority? I have E_Mailed him several times without reply. Maybe I am over simplfiy but aren't these encoders, somewhat, plug and play if you have a good audio stream?

There are several reasons why we have not re-instated 5.1 audio at WECT and the main one is NBC audio encoding issues since they rolled out MPEG-4 network distribution equipment early this year. Many NBC stations are dealing with significant problems, which we completely avoided by staying with the stereo feed. You have to remember that a majority of our viewers are still analog and only a minority of DTV viewers care about 5.1. NBC Network operations is working with their satellite IRD manufacturer for a software solution to correct their issues. I will be holding off on 5.1 until I'm satisfied that they have the issues corrected. In the mean time, we are working hard on several other priorities that benefits the majority of our viewers far more then 5.1 audio so please be patent.
Dan Ullmer
WECT Chief Engineer
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