Acoustical Treatments Master Thread - Page 245

Well, aesthetically speaking, with the lights on, white would look MUCH better since it would better complement your existing color scheme.

With the lights off or dimmed, black is generally the preferred color as it lessens visual distraction. That color wouldn't reflect any light coming off the screen content. However, given the fact that most of your room is already white or a light brown color anyway, there would be somewhat less of a benefit going with black. Depends upon just how many panels you plan to place on that front wall and the ceiling & wall corners. The more you plan on placing there, the stronger a recommendation for going black.

I was planning on doing 10 2x4 panels on the angled ceilings and 10 on the lower walls. I am definately doing black on the lower walls. I think the black will go with the seating and other components well. I was planning on doing the white just to match the angled ceiling, but black might look ok?

You know, I totally zoned out by not seeing the color of your seating and your front end equipment for that matter.

I suspect black would still be better up there, but let me turn the question back to you...

with your existing white ceiling, when viewing your panel with the lights off or dimmed low, depending upon what your normal lighting scenario is... do you find yourself noticing and being distracted by the white ceiling much, if ever?

If yes, then go black there as well. If not so much and furthermore, you like the idea of white panels to match the white ceiling, go white.

lol.

With normal movie watching, the lights will be off, or maybe one set on. I was just wondering if the black would make the room look bad. thats all.

I didn't notice if you're buying them premade or making them - I would go with natural color burlap, it would be close to the wall color, so would tie into the overall color scheme, without standing out so much like black would.

yeah, Im probably getting premade, because the cost of the fabric and cellulose panels shipped is so close to getting them made.

Here is the fabric I liked:
http://www.acoustimac.com/index.php/...-the-yard.html

The Khaki is more green, the stone just doesnt look good. I had pretty much decided on the black on the lower walls, because it looks pretty good. I used my sub grilles as a example. I was really wanting to match, except for the white on the ceiling, but might just do black everywhere.

I think if you are volunteering, the mods would likely be willing to let you edit and maintain such a post at the start of a new thread. And this one could be locked and point to that new thread. I recommend you make that offer if you are interested in maintaining such a living (as in consistently revised over time) first post/FAQ.

It could definitely help reduce the repetition of topics....

Hmm, I don't remember the sample of the Khaki being green - looking on the monitor, I think it would go well with your wall color.

lol. I didnt think so either, until I looked at it in person.

I have every sample color.

I like the idea. With as busy as this thread is, I don't know if I can commit the time required for that. However, let me see if I can create a poll that can cull people's favorites from the 7000+ posts made to this thread already. At least I can kick off an effort towards a smaller and consolidated thread.

I'll just toss this out there - f you are volunteering, then maybe it would work. But no one else here is interested in taking on work like that. Plus, if you think this thread is big and hard to search, here's one that's 1257 pages with 38,000 posts.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5421&page=1257

I'm just beginning to work on the theater design. I haven't even begun the education on the equipment (cuz I know it will be easier to change the equipment than the theater!)

Audyssey is an EQ system/device, isn't it? It handles electronically as best as it can what we do not handle physically?

It took me at least a full month to get through the 245 pages here. I don't have 6 months to try to do the same for a single device.

If you might ever want to convert to a projector, darker is better. Light reflection lights up the screen and kills blacks. Just a thought.

thats definately not a concern right now, since a PJ is not in my immediate future. lol
Im going for looks as well as function.

I used to have them all too, maybe I still do - could have sworn the khaki was tan.

maybe what I meant was, the Khaki held up to my wall looks more like it has green in it.

General advice: Read the first post, and the last week's worth of post. Try a few basic searches for your subject. Beyond that, drop in and ask; we gave up long time ago beating people up because they asked a question that had been asked a hundred times. You will get smacked if the question you asked is answered in the post DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS.

Audyssey is a mostly automatic room correction system. It is not a substitute for good theater design, but it will do the best it can with what it finds.

Jeff

Hopefully, this will help you out a little bit. Don't worry about the equipment...at all...until you have a working plan in place. What I mean by working plan is, where everything fits and goes in the assembly/construction of your theater. Once that is complete, then you can decide which equipment to purchase that meets standards and fits within your budget. I wouldn't even read about any equipment until its time to do so. If you don't have the time to learn this "stuff" (it took me two years just to feel comfortable enough to design my own theater) then that is where a professional would come into play. The job of a professional is to reduce your learning curve time, likely by years, sift through and highlight the really important "stuff", and to deliver a professional product (we already know where the pitfalls and mistakes are made or have made them in the past ourselves).

How do I know if my room needs acoustical treatments?

Well, you could describe the room to us but, odds are, you need acoustic treatments. It's sort of "If you have to ask..................."

As Kal said / implied, all rooms benefit from acoustic treatment. This short article explains the basics in plain English:

Acoustic Basics

--Ethan

Hey guys I'm planning on building some bass traps and some absorber panels this weekend with some Ultratel 43kg/m3 insulation. The question I have is for the absorber panels I want to use a blank canvas like what you get from the craft store and modify the frame so I can fit the insulation behind the canvas. Then paint the canvas with a colour that matches the room. Will the painted canvas adversely effect the acoustic properties I'm trying to achieve with the panel?? Main reason for this method is to keep the aesthetic police in my house happy

It will affect it, but if they're intended as bass traps, then you may not care about reflecting some of the HF off the painted canvas. Depends on how you're doing as far as need for additional HF absorption in the room.

Check this thread for an alternative if you don't want to lose the HF absorption: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1316623

I might just do all black panels.

Ok here are the first measurements from REW with my room as it is atm, the graph is measured at the MLP. As a starting position can i take anything away from this to start thinking about treatments?

What's up with your 10k - 20k octave? It just DIES. Are you using a calibrated mic? Are your speakers dead above 10kHz? Have you done a loop-back test of your ADC to see how the analog input performs?

The problem is I'm using the Radioshack spl meter which doesnt have the real ability to measure accurately above 3khz. I'm waiting for ECM8000 mic but wont have it for a week or so. Should i ignore the measurements above 3khz?

You should fuggedibout measuring until the ECM8000 arrives.

no worries tanks

Alright since I have now found out that I can not afford acoustic panels that are sold and installed by professionals, I must rely on myself to get this done.

I am going to buy OC703 or OC705 or OC sound board and wrap it with fabric.

Two questions:

1. Does any one have a good recommendations on where to buy the OC and at a fair price?

2. Do I need a special acoustic fabric? If so what do I need and where is a good place to get it?

Thanks for all of your help from this DIY trying to stay with in my budget.

Jim

P.S.

The same can be said for stereo racks. I was looking for Mid Atlantic or an off brand like Strong and getting two 72" racks with custom face plates for all of my components. Just using Strong for the racks which is not the biggest name in the industry, and no custom face plates was well over $4K. Some custom face plates from Mid Atlantic and I was quoted $1800.00. So for around $6K I can have some nice racks. Wow, that is a lot of change for some metal that is not gold or silver.
I love my theater but maybe some money for retirement would be nice too.