Anybody have an inside scoop on the new Panny LCD's?? [PT-50LC13] - Page 3  

Thanks for taking a shot at it.

Soon all will be clear. Well maybe not all. :(

Anyone know if this TV is still on schedule to be released at the end of this month?

Or there are just plain too many LC12s in inventory.... :D

But, seriously, it's probably both.

These units are available at the Sears.com site for 2999.99

Not a bad price and you can probably bargain it down a bit.

Thanks for the heads-up, skeeter. I checked the Sears website today and it's on sale this week for $150 off (sale price ends on 7/26/03). Unfortunately, they're not in stock yet at my local Sears, and the somewhat uninformed sales clerk wasn't sure when they would get them in (the poor guy really didn't have a clue what the distinction was between LCD, DLP, and LCoS -- I told him he should check out the AVS Forum :D !).

Anyway, I really need to see one of these in person before I buy anything. I'm actually leaning heavily toward the Philips 44" LCoS Cineos, but I'm interested to see what technical improvements Panny has made on their second-generation LCD unit.

I believe rogo is correct.

From the info I was able to glean, it means video and audio in and video and audio out.

It appears to be a new standard.:D

HDMI is the next generation spec that was designed to supersede DVI. This new specification was just finalized in December by an industry group that includes Hitachi, Matsushita (Panasonic), Philips, Silicon Image, Sony, Thomson, and Toshiba.

Though backwards-compatible with DVI, HDMI adds a new, smaller connector, built-in content protection, and audio support to the DVI spec. It transmits all ATSC HDTV standards and supports 8-channel digital audio, with bandwidth to spare to accommodate future enhancements and requirements. In fact, a typical HDTV signal uses less than half of an HDMI connector's total bandwidth of 5GBps.

Many people are awaiting HDMI with bated breath. "As digital media forms a bigger piece of the consumer entertainment experience, many users are overwhelmed by the complexity of interconnecting all the pieces," said Steve Kleynhans, vice president of the META Group, in December when the spec was finalized. "HDMI, as an industry standard, will provide some measure of relief while providing the quality users have come to demand, encouraging the adoption of new types of digital entertainment."

The move from DVI to HDMI should start next year, but even though content providers love it, it won't be an instant success. Manufacturers have just finished investing a lot of money in designing DVI into their products, and therefore, "They will not be in that big of a rush" to adopt HDMI, says O'Rourke. They'll want to capitalize on the DVI investments before moving forward.

I want the 43":( !!!!No news about this one:confused:

Actually... as far as the 2 dvi ports go, maybe they replaced the VGA connector (was there one ?) with a DVI-I port.

I just saw the new panny PT-50LC13 at 4cost online for just 2242$ !!!

http://www.4cost.com/store/productby...odel=PT50LC13&

Maybe it's interesting for those who wants this model

I'm also interested in this set. The best price I can find is on 4cost.com and pac-2000.com. I have contacted both places and none of them have it in stock.

Yes, I can't wait to compare these two, side by side. At least in theory, the Philips LCoS should have a technological edge owing to its reflective architecture, but some of the comments being made (mostly regarding image-retention with the 3-chip Toshiba LCoS) on other threads are beginning to make me leery. Perhaps these problems are unique to the Toshiba or the 3-chip set-up... hopefully. Guess we'll see soon enough.

As I see it, the major advantages of the Panny are:

• 50" vs. 44" for comparable street price
• Second gen LCD vs. First gen LCoS
• Absolutely no rainbows
• Potentially better/more inputs?
• PC/TV 50/50 split-screen mode (I'm not sure if the Philips can do this, though it can do PC/TV PIP)
• Longevity (the Philips LCoS chip is supposedly rated at only 20,000 hours)

And the advantages of the Philips are:

• Non-transmissive technology (may deliver smoother, less-pixelated images)
• PixelPlus (may improve SD PQ - though this is controversial)
• Decreased motion artifact

Of course, aesthetics are a subjective matter; I'm a little more partial to the smooth contours of the Philips. The Panny looks more like a Plasma, but after perseverating over the images that were posted earlier, IMO, it might look funny on anything other than the Panny stand (since the base is narrower than the screen).

Any thoughts? We're getting close to showtime!! :D

brvheart,

That's why you need your credit card company for! Of course, if you paid cash, you're SOL.

Does Sears still do price match with internet sites?

Housefield,

On paper, here is the some other difference:

Philips: brightness 300~400 nits, contrast ratio 400:1
Panasonic: brightness 700~800 nits, contrast ratio 550:1

I would also interested to see these two side by side. Also, don't forget the 44" Cineos that is comparable (in price) to PT-50LC13 does not have PixelPlus.

Hounsfield,
how does being a reflective technology translate to less pixellation?

And.. I don't understand how you would have decreased motion artifacts. In fact, pixel plus often introduces motion artifacts.

Doug

When will panasonic update their site and show us this new panny:mad:

And for improvement over the old model I saw this:

Enhanced Progressive Scan Doubler:

Provides even more image enhancement than previous Panasonic progressive scan technology by improving the quality of diagonal lines in a moving picture. It displays a full frame of video in 1/60th of a second by de-interlacing the incoming video signal and progressively scanning the image. With it, you generally don't see the horizontal scan lines that are often visible in ordinary television images.

Maybe we will have a better PQ with cable/satellite !!!!!

Anyone has the pt-40/45CL12 that can talk about it????

My first thought is wait for them to ship before deciding. One might suck, one might be great.

The smaller pixels and the higher fill factor will reduce at least one kind of pixelation. Also, LCOS has a faster rise-fall than LCD so all the LCD artifacts should be gone (although they are not terrible on the exisiting Panasonic). Edited to read LCOS, sted LCD after "Also, ....

I hope the Panasonic loses the, IMO, hideos sparkly effect of the screen that made it unacceptable to me.

Obviously, the technology is very mature for Panasonic in that they've made good LCD projectors for years. Philips is a wait and see.

I think the longevity argument is a nonsensical canard. The Philips will last a decade based on what is doubtless a conservative estimate. And whose to say the chip isn't replaceable?

Mark

I think most people, myself included, can't wait for the TV to die after 5+ years or so ownership so that we can justify the putchase of a new one with latest technology. I'm very happy that lightning stoke my 6-year old 32" Panasoinic TV a few weeks ago. Now I can have a chance to select a new HDTV:)

Would plugging your "older" sets into a 220v transformer be more reliable than waiting for "nature" to take it's course? ;)

Actually, the 44" Cineos with PixelPlus (44PL977S) will be around $2,899. This is based on the current sales price listed on the Navy Exchange website. The Panny PT-50LC13 is listed at Sears.com for $2,999, and is on sale right now (until the 26th of July) for $2,849.

The non-PixelPlus model (44PL9523) will be around $2,396.95 (based on its pre-sale price on at least one web-retailer). I'm just guessing here, but this may be closer in price to the yet-to-be seen PT-43LC13.

The difference is one is covered by insurance while the other 'method' is not.

I was comparing the price of Cineos to lowest web price of PT-50LC13 which is below non-PixelPlus price you mentioned. Although Sears.com has it on sale but it clearly does not have it in stock (nobody does).