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post #241 of 890
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ritual dance. incense. and in cantation

how furstrating indeed, to have it working on one system and not be able to on another. guess this is as messed up a It seems I thought maybe some of us were jsut slow..

i am not going to bother with this one any longer or similar managed releases. won't buy what I can watch conveniently
post #242 of 890
My Interactual player doesn't function at all.
I managed to get the license through the Media 9 player but it doesn't allow me to watch it full screen and the aspect ratio is wrong.
My monitor is a Samsung 240T with a resolution of 1920:1200.

Worthless!

Frank
post #243 of 890
You should be able to run fullscreen but yes if running non square pixels (eg is the 1920x1200 a 16:9 display) the aspect ratio will be distorted... At this point non square pixels are unsupported byt the WMP9 player...

These points were discussed to death prior to the release though...
post #244 of 890
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Originally posted by Phat Phreddy
You should be able to run fullscreen but yes if running non square pixels (eg is the 1920x1200 a 16:9 display) the aspect ratio will be distorted... At this point non square pixels are unsupported byt the WMP9 player...

These points were discussed to death prior to the release though...

My display does not have non square pixels!
It is not a 16:9 display! It is 16:10 and uses square pixels.

It also refuses to run full screen even though the T2 demo does run full screen on it!

Frank
post #245 of 890
Frank:
I have noticed if you start WMP "maximized" then sometimes it will not go fullscreen... try starting it in a "normal window", then press ALT+ENTER twice to go fullscreen.

I'm not very impressed with WMP9 BTW, I don't find it user friendly at all. Too much bloatware.
post #246 of 890
I re-installed win xp last night, re-upgraded to SP1 and critical updates, reinstalled the latest version of WM9 and tried to watch the DVD again, and again it just locks up while trying to get the license. All workarounds have been tried.

I did take it over to a friends house and it worked fine there, so I know it does work. Also I downloaded the T2 demo from MSFT and that works fine, so I know I CAN play the movie that I bought, I just cannot get the license for it.
post #247 of 890
In response to jmcomp124 in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=266751

This sounds like the classic RME problem with Direct Sound. Windows Media player always uses Direct Sound. If you can create a filtergraph in Zoom Player to use Wave-out instead, then your sound problem would probably go away. Another suggestion is to use your motherboard's on-board audio output instead of the RME in this special case.
post #248 of 890
Thorr,
I am glad that thread caught your eye. I have not used zoom player before as I have been doing all DVD playback with TheaterTek. How do I go about creating a filtergraph in Zoom player ? Should I use zoomplayer instead of Windows Media player.
Thanks,
-Jai
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"Ok, I managed to play it with Windows Media player by going directly to
\\ommon\\win\\lang\\en\ 2\\esource. The video looks good, and to my pleasant surprise not choppy. CPU util between 70% and 100% with a P4 2.4 and 128MB DDR Radeon 9000. However, the audio is bad with lots of crackling noise. Any thoughts what could be wrong with audio. With non-audio checked in the rme control panel, there is no audio. With non-audio unchecked there is sound , but as I mentioned, it is bad.
-Jai"
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post #249 of 890
Frank... Thats very odd... in what way is the AR messed up... I know 16:9 displays seems fine its just when people use things like 1440x480 that WMP9 gets confused...

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It also refuses to run full screen even though the T2 demo does run full screen on it!

Dont understand whats happening... When you run it windowed will it maximize ?? then pressing the fullscreen button does what ??

Of course you need to make sure you dont move the mouse or have it at the screen edge for the bars to dissappear...
post #250 of 890
Frank,
In Windows media player, do you have View->Full mode selected ? If you have it in skin mode then you may not get full screen. Something to check if you have not already.
Good luck,
-Jai
post #251 of 890
Quote:


Originally posted by Phat Phreddy
Frank... Thats very odd... in what way is the AR messed up... I know 16:9 displays seems fine its just when people use things like 1440x480 that WMP9 gets confused...

Dont understand whats happening... When you run it windowed will it maximize ?? then pressing the fullscreen button does what ??

Of course you need to make sure you dont move the mouse or have it at the screen edge for the bars to dissappear...

I just got it to run full screen by starting it with the tiny window and then double clicking on it.
Unfortunately , the aspect ratio is still messed up.
It should be 2.39 to 1 and it's about 1.78 to 1.
It's unwatchable like this.
I'll ttry it with my D-ILA projector this evening.

Thanks for the help.

Frank
post #252 of 890
I was able to play the HD version with the latest WinDVD Platinum (after acquiring the license).

With WinDVD Platinum, you can select either DirectSound or Wave audio. You can also set deinterlace method as Bob or Weave.
post #253 of 890
Jai-

I haven't used Zoom Player in awhile, but I suggest downloading the latest version and giving it a try. It contains controls that allows you to easily select which filters you want to use. I usually select "unregister all filters" first to clean out any registered filters, then select the filter combination I want (in this case something like WM9 video with wave-out audio) and register those. Then simply try to play the file and see if it works. Hopefully there are WM9 filtergraphs already built, but I don't know. Good luck. Again, there is always the motherboard audio if all else fails. Just set that to be your default playback device in the windows control panel.
Mike
post #254 of 890
Thorr,
Do I need to buy the professional version of Zoomplayer to construct the filter graph to use wave-out instead of direct sound ?
Thanks,
-Jai
post #255 of 890
No, I didn't know there was a professional version. It was always free when I used it and contains everything you need.
post #256 of 890
Quote:


Originally posted by jmcomp124
Thorr,
Do I need to buy the professional version of Zoomplayer to construct the filter graph to use wave-out instead of direct sound ?
Thanks,
-Jai

The professional version is "filterless," so to speak, in that you can just point and click which audio, video, audio renderer, ffdshow, etc. filters you want to use and ZP builds the DVD graph automatically.

You need preconstructed filter graphs with the previous versions. There are many varieties that are included with the pre 3.0 ZP versions.

The pro version is very slick though.
post #257 of 890
What would the effect of more or less memory have on playback? Would 1GB of Ram make playback any better on a machine that slightly stutters with 512MB's?

And what about bus speeds? I wonder what the playback difference would be on a 2.4GHz machine at 400MHz and one at 800MHz.
post #258 of 890
Mntneer,
I have wondered about this question. A 400Mhz bus has a lower bandwidth than an 800Mhz bus. For WMV9, the GPU (graphics controller) and CPU (intel processor) share the load in someway where the thread/s in the GPU work with the thread/s in the CPU. The memory on the graphics card essentially reduces memory latency for a memory request from the GPU, as memory is local. For data that will not fit in this memory (say 128MB DDR Radeon), the system memory will be used in which case I think it will use the FSB for data transfer. The higher the bandwidth, the lesser the queing delays and hence lower latency and as an effect better performance. The question is, does a 400Mhz bus cause a bottleneck. It depends on the workload (in this case the DVD player application). I hope the Microsoft folks here in this thread can shed some light into this. If there is a huge amount of data transfer from the GPU to system memory, then Yes, an 800Mhz bus will make a difference. However, it is difficult to say if that would stop the stutter as stutter could be an effect of the CPU not being able to cope up. If the CPU is not able to cope up because of higher memory latency, then it would stop the stutter. Similarly if the application uses all of the 512MB of system memory, then 1GB would make a difference as it would reduce the disk IO latency. On any case, it does not hurt to have higher bus bandwidth and more memory. Identifying these bottlenecks is by itself a very involved process that requires extensive workload anaylsis on any given platform.
-Jai
post #259 of 890
How many users are able to play T2 HD in WinDVD Platinum? If so, please elaborate. Doesn't work for me, in fact I can't play ANY .wmv files in WinDVD Platinum.
TIA
post #260 of 890
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Originally posted by jpaddle
The T2 DVD requires the user to have the Interactual player (which hosts the Windows Media Player 9 Series ocx) in the drive before a license will be issued. A user may take disc #2 from one PC to another PC (e.g. home network scenario), but the license will only be issued to PC's that have disc #2 in the drive.

Talking about a home network scenario, I use a cross over cable from my main computer in my office to my HTPC in the living room. I mainly transfer files back and forth. My HTPC has no internet connection but I was able to play the disc and acquire a license on my office computer. Is there any way to transfer the license from one computer to another or must I have an internet connection.

Thanks,
Rick
post #261 of 890
Hi Rick, the licenses are bound to a machine and not to a network or persona, therefore there is no way to get the license to your second machine without that machine being connected to the Internet.

Thanks for this feedback, we will look at supporting this type of scenario in future version of our products.

Thanks
John
Microsoft
post #262 of 890
I just saw the trailer.. damn i can't wait to recieve mine should be coming any time. Now I have my own HTPC Wow does it rock or what, plus my CRT is frickin wonderful lol. Toshiba 34HDX82 after ISF tech tweaking it is BEATIFUL! Of course if the signal or source material is nice and DAMN all the HD stuff and DVDs with windvd are BEATIFUL
post #263 of 890
One question though I use zoomplayer, windvd and mplayer classic (not microsoft) i HATE windows media player... I am wondering anyone got them to work with the others. I usually use windvd for all my video content including HD.. Oh and the 816p clip runs beatifully no skipping or stuttering or anything like that.
post #264 of 890
Quote:


Originally posted by jpaddle
Hi Rick, the licenses are bound to a machine and not to a network or persona, therefore there is no way to get the license to your second machine without that machine being connected to the Internet.

I kinda figured that. Thank you for the reply,

Rick
post #265 of 890
Just a comment - when playing back on my system with an 800mHz bus, I don't see much memory usage at all (though I have a GB installed). How about those with a 400mHz bus?
post #266 of 890
bit off topic but has anyone tried playing the fusion hdtv demos in wm9? They are tp transport files play perfectly in Fusion HDTV player with a P4 1.8 laptop, in WM9 they are stuttery and jerky.. Must be the codecs I guess.. or the files are optimised for the Fusion player..
post #267 of 890
It plays with windvd too I love using windvd over zoomplayer and mplayer classic, etc.. etc.. I like the display controls in windvd... I don't use ffdshow (i hate the artificial 'detail' its just an illusion :/ I just enable all hardware options for decoding and thats it its great to me).
post #268 of 890
Lee,
Memory latencies are in the order of nano seconds, so it will not be possible to see the transients of memory usage due to queuing delays caused by bus bandwidth limitations. What I am saying is that there will not be an observable difference between a 400Mhz FSB and 800Mhz FSB in terms of memory usage. The address footprint of the application is still the same. You may see a difference in CPU utilization. How much of your memory is being used on an average ? What is your CPU utilization ?
-Jai
post #269 of 890
I can run the T2 WMP9 on my Windows 2000 box, Asus A7N266-C MB, 256 MB RAM, and an Athlon XP 2400+ CPU (not overclocked). It plays stutter-free with a CPU utilization in the low 90's, but it doesn't appear to ever reach 100%.

By the way, I'm using nForce audio to convert the WM9 to DD. I haven't done a lot of comparing yet, but it doesn't seem to sound as good as the DVD version.
post #270 of 890
Frank- Your Samsung is a 16x10 ratio display, with a native max display mode of 1920x1200 pixels. When you view any 16x9 content, does it look correct, meaning slightly letterboxed? What do the demo clips on our site look like - have you tried playing the 816 version of the T2 trailer back?
T2 is stretched by Windows Media Player 9 Series at render time to 1920x816 pixels (it's an anamorphic 4:3 horizontal stretch), to an aspect ratio of 2.35:1. It should appear letterboxed on your display, with taller black bars than 16x9 material.

Some other comments: System RAM does not make that much of an impact for HD WMV playback ability. A machine with 256MB, 512MB and 1GB would probably perform identically. Front side bus speed increases do tend to help, though it's somewhat hard to say since they are often tied to CPU speed increases. Some of our newer 800MhZ FSB machines really fly, and are able to render more and more 1920x1080p material.

I didn't know that WinDVD would be able to play these files. I'll have to check that out!

-Dan
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