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post #151 of 1302
I was in Best Buy (Greenville, SC) yesterday and they had the 61" RCA DLP on display next to a Sammy 50" DLP. But they had a terrible signal fed to the RCA (at least compared to the signal to the Sammy). Several salesmen wanted to sell me on the RCA. I pointed out the picture was blurry. I couldn't read the credits on a music video it was so bad. I asked them to swap the cables with the Sammy. The salesmen kept disappearing each time I made this request. So I tried to judge based on color alone. I thought the colors on both looked the same.

The RCA stands very tall too. There's a lot more under the screen than the Sammy's.

I would love know if anyone else has been able to make a side by side comparison (hopefully with equal quality signals).

Why can't Best Buy get it right?
post #152 of 1302
Thread Starter 
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I would love know if anyone else has been able to make a side by side comparison (hopefully with equal quality signals).

See my post on the previous page. I was able to do a comparison at Best Buy.
post #153 of 1302
Thanks Paul.

Your visit to BB sounded similar. Now I'm wondering if the differences I saw were not because of bad signals but actual differences in the sets. Could 2 different BB's have the 2 same sets together and screw up both of the RCA's?

The Sammy is pulling ahead on my short list.
post #154 of 1302
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Originally posted by My Account
Thanks Paul.

Your visit to BB sounded similar. Now I'm wondering if the differences I saw were not because of bad signals but actual differences in the sets. Could 2 different BB's have the 2 same sets together and screw up both of the RCA's?

The Sammy is pulling ahead on my short list.

I saw the 61" DLP at BB in Houston today. Gotta say I witnessed similar problems. They have a nice line of TVs setting all beside each other--Panny 50" LCD, GWIII 50", Sammy DLP 50", and RCA 61" on the same loop. The RCA was very dim(although it was closer to the store lights than the rest) and the yellows had a green tint to them (so did the Sammy incidentally). There was even ghosting all over the place--something was seriously wrong with this set or with the connection. Of course, if you turned around you could see a set with convergence so bad it looked like it could have been in 3D--why would they even bother turning it on. So, yes BB could be screwing up all the sets.
post #155 of 1302
Doesn't the RCA have a user selectable power saving mode to reduce brightness. Obviously, next to other sets without this feature, it would look dim, but in actual use, it should be valuable for evening viewing when a lot of these sets are actually too bright.
post #156 of 1302
Fry's in Las Vegas has the Samsung HLN507W, the 50" RCA DLP, the 50" Panasonic LCD all lined up with the same HD feed. Just around the corner they had the 60" GW111 also with the same feed. To my eye the two DLP sets were very similar. The Samsung was dimmer and cooler and the RCA was a bit brighter and warmer. I checked the settings on the Samsung and it was set on custom, not dynamic mode. Both sets had pleasing pictures without obvious flaws.

The Panasonic picture, although vibrant with color was not as clear as either DLP set. It was much softer. I did not directly compare the Sony as it was not in line with the other sets. The feed was bright outdoor travelogues and not suitable for judging black level performance or for the presence of rainbows.

I own a Samsung HLM507W with upgraded firmware to 302 so I was just casually browsing and not critically evaluating these sets. But I was surprised at the quality of the picture on the RCA after reading some of the negative comments on this thread. This was the first RCA DLP set I have seen.
post #157 of 1302
although there a number of issues with my new rca dlp (720p issue the most annoying)..i challenge anyone with any tv to beat the hi-def picture quality with this tv!!..i calibrated set with digital video essentials and the hi-def picture quality is literally stunning..i had a party yesterday and was able to show many people the kc oakland football game as well as the ranger game (& pbs demo loop) in hidef and they were all amazed...people who dont usually get excited about pictire quality (my wife & sister for starters) were thoroughly impressed...the brightness of this set in daylight is fantastic & although it has a hi-glare glass screen which is a negative to alot of people..i feel this screen enhances the vividness & crispness of the picture as long as you dont have it directly opposite a window...as long as the reliability of this set holds up it will be the smartest hitech purchase ive made (my tivo is a close second....i know alot about all the tv technologies (i actually had a hitachi 50v500 on ordere but it got delayed another month so i took the chance on the rca dlp) and have watched them all for many hours and this rca dlp has as good a picture as any of them...
post #158 of 1302
It was good to hear from "jph1207" about the picture quality of the RCA DLP. I've had mine for about a month and am very pleased with the picture quality, built-in HD tuner and web browser. I am curious about the calibration process that "jph1207" utilized with "digital video essentials". Can someone advise me on how to go about doing this? Is it a guidebook on calibration, is it something I can do myself?
post #159 of 1302
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Originally posted by figaro
I am curious about the calibration process that "jph1207" utilized with "digital video essentials". Can someone advise me on how to go about doing this? Is it a guidebook on calibration, is it something I can do myself?

It's a DVD disk calibration and you can get it at Amazon.
post #160 of 1302
hey figaro..i got the digital video essentials disk from overstock.com for $12.89 including shipping...there is $5 off coupon in a thread here..just search on the word "essential"....the disk helped alot in getting the black level/contrast/color relationship better..picture quality is excellent now...i had the brightness (black level) up too high....after cal my settings were contrast 85 color 43 tint 61 blacklevel 33 (although i raise this sometimes to around 43) and sharpness 40
post #161 of 1302
hey figaro..do you have the wireless keyboard yet?..i cant find it anywhere & browsing with the remote is painfull!!!
post #162 of 1302
I have had my RCA for about a month now and it has been extremely good in all areas. I only post this for the same reason as the post above - the HD quality is stunning. I have calibrated with Avia, and am running DVD's through the Sammy DVI-DVD player upscaled to 1080i. Really great viewing experience as well.

SD looks as good as could be expected, I can tune the pic. settings enough for it that it is highly respectable - most people at the house are blown away by just the cable feed. Tune into any HD feed (or even the Sammy DVD) and it is really an experience, which is what I hoped for.

I actually had an Hitatchi 50V500 in the house for about 2 weeks before getting the RCA DLP. Reason: very poor blacks that were driving me nuts (very nice set otherwise). For purists, the color reproduction may be a bit overdone on the RCA (the Hitatchi did have a more natural reproduction, great with "pastel" type colors), but the overall light output on the RCA makes it more enjoyable for every day use IMO.

I did do a close comparison to the Samsung DLP as well - I do not think this is a better set. I am not concerned with all of the "RCA catches on fire and explodes" points that people have posted regarding reliablity, from all research I have done they seem to have their act together. Am I wrong about Samsung vs. RCA... maybe but I cannot say that I really care - the everyday viewing on the RCA is excellent.

Xbox games look great and I haven't had any issues with the 720p scaling (although it was kinda stupid for them to cut the corner on it). The internal HD OTA tuner works fine, the web browser is a neat add on.... etc etc.

The one complaint... yep, the high glare screen. Every so often your eye will catch (and worse focus on) something that is sitting as a reflection off the surface. It can be minimized but yes it is there. Of course, as any of you photo guys know, gloss = dmax... dmax = deeper blacks and colors. There is something to be said for it. It also tricks the eye into apparent sharpness and depth, which is why I think the HD programming just jumps off the set.

But, the family loves it for everyday viewing; I love it when watching upscaled 1080i DVD's; and it is really stunning when watching an HD program on PBS, HBO etc. Good product, I am happy with their market position (although in the minority from this forums majority).

Any questions let me know!
post #163 of 1302
I would like to know if there is another source for the keyboard. They are on backorder from RCA with no date for delivery given. Any keyboard comments from RCA owners?
post #164 of 1302
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Originally posted by jph1207
hey figaro..i got the digital video essentials disk from overstock.com for $12.89 including shipping...there is $5 off coupon in a thread here..just search on the word "essential"....the disk helped alot in getting the black level/contrast/color relationship better..picture quality is excellent now...i had the brightness (black level) up too high....after cal my settings were contrast 85 color 43 tint 61 blacklevel 33 (although i raise this sometimes to around 43) and sharpness 40


JPH,

Mostly in agreement with your assessment of this TV. I have had my RCA DLP since August 12th. The screen glare can is sometimes very bothersome. Matrix is unwatchable during the day.

I tried your calibration settings. I think I like it. Should I expect my set to look like yours with the same settings. HTWAITS ? thanks,
post #165 of 1302
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Originally posted by truaudiophile
I would like to know if there is another source for the keyboard. They are on backorder from RCA with no date for delivery given. Any keyboard comments from RCA owners?

In case you are wandering, I was, I found an Ultimate TV keyboard for $9. It looks almost like the keyboard for this TV. I didn't gt it do do anything except change the channel.

Last time I tried using the remote to surf I got stuck in AOL and couldn't leave. The resolution used for the web browser looks terrible. Hope people don't expect much in this area.
post #166 of 1302
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Originally posted by gitarzan
HTWAITS ? thanks,

You're welcome.
post #167 of 1302
i wonder why the resolution on the web browser is so low?..this is upseting since its kind of a cool feature..but if the resolution sucks i'll probably end up not using it...i really can't evaluate its benifit w/o the wireless keyboard...any clues how to get one?
post #168 of 1302
Life is good here in Milwaukee, WI.

I got the 61 inch DLP TV with the Built in Tuner from Best Buy about two weeks ago. I came across the board just today.

I have to say, I know nothing about the 720 vs. 1080 thing. All I know is I really enjoy the picture on this TV.

I upgraded from a Sony CRT 53 inch, which I gave to my dad since he didn't have a big screen.

I am very happy with quality of the picture and very happy with the menus.

I AM NOT happy with what I am calling the "ease of use" factor.

I am still trying to understand all the bells and whistles and I must admit, though I thought myself knowledgeable in this area, it is stretching my limits.

I just ordered the Video Essentials and will see if that helps. I bought the TV from BEst Buy when they had a sale, so i got it for just under 4 G's. I am happy (though I don't know if I got taken) I just have to learn more and see if I can get more ease of use out of this thing.

We were originally looking for an LCD TV, but when I looked at all the choices, the DLP seemed like the best picture for the money, and it rivals the Plasma pictures I have seen.

Again, I am very happy with the quality of the picture and sound is good too.

DVDs look great, the MNF signal looks great, and the HD channels look fantastic. I am happy with everything, so far.

How do I go about getting a OTA antenna? I want to try that out. So far, I have been using the cable signal from Time Warner cable. I just want to try that out.

I tried hooking my laptop up to the tv, and was disappointed, but I wasn't going to use it for that, so I didn't care. I may not even have been doing that right.

A question for you guys. I am looking to buy some home theatre speakers/receivers packages. Money IS an object, and I plan to buy them from Best Buy (not for any loyalty, but I have a gift card and I need to use it!) What chould I be looking for in that respect? I have a friend who has a THX receiver, and he thinks it is amazing. Do I need this? I have heard good and bad things. What brands should I look for, and do you have any other points to consider? sorry for the long post.

SirCharls
post #169 of 1302
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Originally posted by SirCharls
Life is good here in Milwaukee, WI.


How do I go about getting a OTA antenna? I want to try that out. So far, I have been using the cable signal from Time Warner cable. I just want to try that out.


A question for you guys. I am looking to buy some home theatre speakers/receivers packages. Money IS an object, and I plan to buy them from Best Buy (not for any loyalty, but I have a gift card and I need to use it!) What chould I be looking for in that respect? I have a friend who has a THX receiver, and he thinks it is amazing. Do I need this? I have heard good and bad things. What brands should I look for, and do you have any other points to consider? sorry for the long post.

SirCharls

Congratulations on your new purchase.

I'd recommend going to the HD hardware forum for information regarding antennas and trying the audio forums for information on speakers/receiver packages. These are the type of questions that must have been answered quite a few times already so check out previous post or maybe use the search function.

Happy watching with your new set.

Jim
post #170 of 1302
I have a cable modem now connected to my Scenium. It works fine and I can still view the TV programming in a PIP type mode with the web browser. The optional wireless keyboard that RCA offers (KBR755TA1) for $49 will not be available till mid-December. Does anyone out there know if I could just use one of the Web TV (aka MSN TV) keyboards. I can get a new or refurbished one at Amazon.com. The specs look similar.

Also, thanks for the information regarding calibration. The recent posts in this Forum have been very useful.
post #171 of 1302
SirCharls,

As to OTA HD antenna there are no special requirements. If your locale provides OTA HD programming then any antenna that will work with SDTV will work for HD. Just find out where the transmission towers are in your area and buy a TV antenna from Home Depot or where-ever suitable for the distance from your home to the transmission tower.

Just like OTA SDTV you can have ghosting (multipath) issues and may need to rotate the antenna to pickup the various HDTV signals.
post #172 of 1302
I got to see the RCA 50" today. My impressions are based at looking at the tv in a furniture store with furntiture store lightining. They had a 43" Samsung next to it but on the opposite side of the cornor and higher.

As far as the glare was concerned, in ark scenes it was very evident. The beige couch right in front of the tv really stood out when the screen was black, but not much more than the glare you get from and ordinary crt tv. When the screen was full of lighter colors the glare really as noticable.

As far as picture it looked better than the Samsung and seemed to have better blacks. Ootb it was defintely on the orange side. I didn't have the time to play around with it so I only saw the dish network Hidef demo on it.
post #173 of 1302
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Originally posted by SteveRM
I got to see the RCA 50" today. .

It's almost impossible to get a good idea of what a set can do in the type of store, or most any store, that you were in.

One of the first things you need to know is what is being fed to the sets and what connections and User Menu options are being used.

Were the sets you were looking at placed at eye level? Brightness drops off rapidly if the set (DLP or LCD) is either too high or too low.

All that only helps a little. A good "refund for any reason at no charge" policy for at least 30 days will allow you to evaluate at home.

There is a lot of information here. Have you checked out the "popular" thread?

At the top of the list of threads is one called "Popular Threads ** Look here B4 starting a thread".

In there you will find links to all kinds of information that new members are interested in. Under Samsung there is a "Unofficial Samsung HLN" thread that will provide you with a wealth of information.

You are in one of the big RCA threads but there is another one listed too.

Good luck.
post #174 of 1302
I am a new owner of an RCA HDLP50W151, and the picture is very good, albeit almost too bright, even with the bulb in the "longer life" setting. The major issue for me is "rainbow" artifacts, which seem pervasive, even though I never had a problem with my old Davis DLP front projector, or Sammys in store displays. The screen "glows" when on, and there is no signal, which suggests poor black levels - but with content, it seems pretty good. The protective-screen glare is a pain, but can be controlled with careful backlighting, and other room-light control.
post #175 of 1302
jfbundy:

By any chance, are you watching the RCA DLP in a dark room??
post #176 of 1302
to JimP: I watch my RCA HDLP50 in a fairly dim room, with carefully-controlled backlighting. Screen glare can be minimized, but I sure wish RCA had spent a few extra bucks on a low-reflective screen. Samsung, Hitachi, Panasonic, and Sony all have gone to this extra trouble, and it really makes a difference. There is nothing, however, I can do about the "rainbow" effects...

John
post #177 of 1302
jfbundy

I guess you've already tried the power saver(or whatever they're calling it) which would reduce the bulb brightness.
post #178 of 1302
I got to see the RCA 50" Scenium today for the 1st time. The store had HDNet and a modest DVD with Finding Nemo routed to the set. I was very impressed with the PQ. For SD material it was better than the Samsung's I've seen at the Tweeter Stores. I also like that it has the extra features of FireWire, ATSC/QAM, and multiple lamp levels over the Samsung. BUT, I'm still waiting for a true TV, one that doesn't require a settop box for viewing digital cable.

irfoton
PS Are the Scenium and the sets at BB the same?
post #179 of 1302
I hooked a PC up to my RCA DLP through the DVI input. I haven't been able to get the horizontal and vertical width right. At 800x600 60 hertz (1080i) I lose half the width of the task bar on all four sides. The TV has configuration for centering the picture but nothing to control the size. I haven't been able to change size at all through the software controls. Any ideas on this? thanks,
post #180 of 1302
I think you are SOL Tarzan. I have the Panny 50lc13 and I have the overscan as well. Everyone has that for that matter. You may try "Powerstrip" but I think that will lose the 1:1 pixel map thing. Hmm, just noted you are using 800x600, well when I use that on my panny I get the full image, however, since the TV has a native 720, when I use the 1280x720 resolution which offers the best picture, however, the overscan issue comes into play. I am still looking for a full screen PC image in HD clarity, 720p for instance 1280x720. When I find it that will be my upgrade over the Panny. Good Luck!
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