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post #121 of 4216
Got a call from one of the engineers at WANE today. Sounds like they are going to be running upconverted 480i for the rest of this week and part of next. They have to install some more gear, but they are hoping for true HD content mid next week.

Also, he was really cryptic about what's going on with 31.02. Sounds like that's going to be another HD channel in the very near future. He couldn't be more specific, but he said something along the lines of another network.

Jason, what type of antenna are you running? If you get really bored, head on over to my house and you can see 31 in all it's glory.
post #122 of 4216
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Originally posted by bwohlgemuth
Jason, what type of antenna are you running? If you get really bored, head on over to my house and you can see 31 in all it's glory.

I'm using an antenna from Radio Shack, it's a UHF/VHF/FM combo antenna, don't need the VHF but I use the FM to get better reception of radio signals. Currently I have a 12db amp that I got from Walmart, I'm considering upgrading to a channel master amp to see if that helps.

Jason
post #123 of 4216
Is in a set-top antenna or a outdoor one? If it's a set-top, take it and dump it in the trash. Then got out and grab a decent UHF antenna and mount it on top of your house. I bet that will get a good signal for you.
post #124 of 4216
It's an outdoor antenna, I have it mounted on top of a 10' pole on the peak of my house. I do live in a low area though, so that makes getting good signals a little difficult at times.

I'm considering getting a UHF only antenna to see if that will help my situation at all.

Although I have no trouble at all receiving signals from WPTA and WISE since they broadcasting from high up the tower and a higher signal strength it would probably be a waste to upgrade just to solve a temporary problem.
post #125 of 4216
Don't know if anyone noticed, but WPTA started broadcasting two channels this evening.
post #126 of 4216
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Originally posted by bwohlgemuth
Don't know if anyone noticed, but WPTA started broadcasting two channels this evening.

And (amazing!) they are labeled 21-1 and 21-2 in the PSIP information! They have also added names to the channels, WPTA-HD and WPTA-SD respectively.

A step in the right direction ...

JL
post #127 of 4216
I thought I would give a peek to see what FW and SB Stations I could pick up tonight in Kokomo. WPTA was the only station I coud pick up. It needs a little more power to be rock solid. (FYI - Fort Wayne (analog) has been my lifesaver when we get blackouts from Indianapolis.)
post #128 of 4216
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Originally posted by Jim_Hunt
I thought I would give a peek to see what FW and SB Stations I could pick up tonight in Kokomo. WPTA was the only station I coud pick up. It needs a little more power to be rock solid. (FYI - Fort Wayne (analog) has been my lifesaver when we get blackouts from Indianapolis.)

I believe WPTA (ABC) is at 335kW (that's their CP strength)
WANE "CBS 15" DT31 is only 40kW - expected to be 1000kW next year
WISE "NBC 33" DT19 is at 9kW - expected to be 350kW eventually
WFWA "PBS 39" DT40 is at 90kW per their CP
WFFT "FOX 55" DT 36 is at 970w - expected to be 1000kW eventually
(WINM "63" DT12 is at 16.5kW out of Angola as well - VHF carries further)

I'm hoping they all get up to their full power soon. WPTA did just make the improvement of adding a SD feed, for non-HD viewers or those who prefer to do their own upconvert. I pick up WPTA quite well in Elkhart, on a simple antenna.

JL
post #129 of 4216
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Originally posted by bwohlgemuth

Also, he was really cryptic about what's going on with 31.02. Sounds like that's going to be another HD channel in the very near future. He couldn't be more specific, but he said something along the lines of another network.


According to the local rumor mill WANE-TV will be running the UPN network on 31-2.

I almost hope it's not another HD channel, splitting the bitstream for two HD's and a low bit SD could spell trouble for image quality. It could seriously compromise the quality of things like fast motion sports.

Encoders keep getting better all the time but I still see artifacting and blockiness at the higher bitrates. So running two HD signals IMHO would be a compromise at best.

I don't know if anybody on the list has equipment that will tell you the bitrates that stations are using for the individual services they are broadcasting? I would be curious to know how they are dividing the bitstream.

MK
post #130 of 4216
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Originally posted by mrk229
According to the local rumor mill WANE-TV will be running the UPN network on 31-2.

That would have been my guess, especially since WSBT 22 CBS in South Bend does the same.

The 22.2 UPN feed in South Bend is SD, and according to posts in the Grand Rapids thread they will not be airing UPN programs in HD. (The station said they may in the future record UPN HD programs and play them back overnight or off hours on 22.1, but that was just a suggestion not a solid plan.)

IIRC CBS has ownership in UPN's national feed, so it would make sense.

As far as quality, 22.1 and 22.2 (DT30) are two of the best signals in the South Bend market. 16.1 and 16.2 (DT42) is also attempting one HD and one SD and fails at both. I suspect that WANE will follow WSBT's example and do very well.

JL
post #131 of 4216
I think maybe you misunderstood my post. What I meant was that it would be a serious compromise to try and air two HD signals at the same time.

Lets work in round numbers and say that the bitstream available for video is 18.5 Megabits per second (Mbs). For example we currently run our HD signal at 13.5 Mbs that leaves 5 Mbs which could be used for an SD video feed. SD 480i at 5Mbs is not bad but could be better.

Just for reference all of our commercial content is encoded at 480i, 8Mbs for storage. The 8Mbs rate is almost transparent to all but intense scrutiny.

If you try and slice the pie for two HD feeds you have 9.25Mbs for each service. While it will work you will more than likely have problems with any type of quick cuts or fast motion like sports. Now if you take a little chunk out for an low bit SD service you create more problems.

As I said encoders get better every day. WNDU being an early adopter probably has a first, or early second generation encoder. Some of the first encoders filled a six foot rack and cost huge money. The encoder we use is 3 1/2 inches tall. The encoder has a tremendous effect on the quality of the signal. It takes a lot of number crunching to encode video in real time.

Another option is to use variable bit rate coding with statistical multiplexing. This lets the content drive the required bit rate up to a preset level. So if one of the channels needs more bits and the multiplexer has some available it can be used and shared between streams.

Another technique is to do bit packing. This is typically used to send a computer type of data stream. The multiplexer looks for available bits and fills all of the empty slots in the data stream. This is how they do high speed data transfers for Internet service.

MK
post #132 of 4216
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Originally posted by mrk229
I think maybe you misunderstood my post. What I meant was that it would be a serious compromise to try and air two HD signals at the same time.

I agree. If WANE follows WSBT's lead, UPN Fort Wayne will not be a HD feed (the point of my post).

According to WNDU's website they just got a new encoder from California. Perhaps they are not using it yet. Prior to October they were up with HD. They took most of October and November off ... just a SD feed (a jumpy one at times). Now they have a poor HD and a poor SD. Sad really. At least their "SD Only" month had closed captioning working. If they want to stay the "Market Leader", they need to get the signals (both) cleaned up.

JL
post #133 of 4216
Last night during "Average Joe" the audio was horrible. I don't know if it was the Dolby 5.1 screwing up but I could barely hear the people talking. It sounded like it was clipping.
post #134 of 4216
Comcast Cable Allen County is now offering an HD service as part of the digital cable offerings.
The channel selection is currently limited but I expect it will expand.

The current lineup is:

ESPN HD
INHD1
INHD2
HBO HD
Showtime HD
WISE HD
WFWA HD
PBS HD Demo

You have to subscribe to the digital cable package and then you can add the HD service on top.
Current introductory pricing is $5.95 for first three months and then it is expected to cost $10-12 a month
on top of the digital package price.

If interested you will have to call for further information,
as of 11/25 nothing is on the web site.

One of the guys here just got hooked up.

This is not an endorsement or advertisement for Comcast, just an informational note!

MK


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post #135 of 4216
Ick...Comcast

Sorry, but I'll wait for the HDTivo to come out in about three months with DirecTV and just watch OTA for the long haul.
post #136 of 4216
Anyone hear any updates about when WPTA will start passing an HD signal?

Did notice on the news this morning that they will be airing the HS state finals for football on 21-2. This seems like a great way of taking advantage of having the ability to broadcast two events simultaneously. Also today they started airing their weather radar on 21.2 as well. They must have liked that WANE was doing this and thought they would follow suit.

This is an exciting time for those of us who have waited so long to get some OTA HD.

Jason
post #137 of 4216
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Originally posted by vereekej
Did notice on the news this morning that they will be airing the HS state finals for football on 21-2. This seems like a great way of taking advantage of having the ability to broadcast two events simultaneously.

Agreed. DTV is more than HD.
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Also today they started airing their weather radar on 21.2 as well.

Replacing their SD station feed. Not a big loss, and that radar should take away less from the potential HD bandwidth.

It's nice to have that view. It shows me the whole path from my house to my inlaws for Thansgiving. If you see a fast moving blip on SR15 tomorrow night, it isn't Santa a month early!

JL
post #138 of 4216
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Originally posted by justalurker
And (amazing!) they are labeled 21-1 and 21-2 in the PSIP information! They have also added names to the channels, WPTA-HD and WPTA-SD respectively.

A step in the right direction ...

JL

What are you using for OTA reception? I'm using an hd-300, the channels are remapped properly to 21-1, 21-2. However there are still no channel names listed.

WISE and WFFT have there channels labeled and guide info as well, although I an unable to pick up WFFT's signal at all.
post #139 of 4216
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Originally posted by vereekej
What are you using for OTA reception?


SIR-150 fed by two RS U-75 OTA antennas (not pointed in the same direction)

I still have to shell out for an amp or a remote switch some day. I can only get DT24 at night under good conditions.

JL
post #140 of 4216
Just thought that I would mention that WPTA announced last night on their news that they would now be showing programs in HD. I didn't have a chance to check it out but I will tonight. Monday Night Football in HD here we come.
post #141 of 4216
That is GREAT news, unfortunately I enjoy watching Threat Matrix which is HD and for some reason WPTA doesn't carry this show anymore. I can't wait to check out the MNF. Not sure that I've ever been excited about the day being Monday though, usually Monday has a bad connotation with it. This is also good news because WPTA broadcasts at the highest signal strength in the Ft. Wayne market, people should be able to lock onto this signal easily.

Also everyone may want to note that several have mentioned on this forum that the movies ABC shows on Sundays in HD have had some excellent PQ lately. These are probably worth checking out, maybe WPTA will even be pass the DD 5.1 signal through as well.

Jason
post #142 of 4216
Just did a search and found that WPTA was going to show Threat Matrix on both Monday and Thursday next week. Fortunately no Billy Graham.

The MNF game could be good too. Eagles vs. Dolphins

WPTA was smart for mentioning the fact that they were now broadcasting an HD signal on their evening news. I had about 3 people call me at work today to let me know this.
post #143 of 4216
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Originally posted by vereekej
Not sure that I've ever been excited about the day being Monday though, usually Monday has a bad connotation with it.

I guess that's what makes MNF special ... after the worst day of the week one can sample a little more weekend.

WPTA is back to radar on 21-2 WITH A PROGRAM TITLE! "21 Alive Weather Radar" (First one I've seen, other than "DTV Program".) Most of the time I've seen 21-2 since Thanksgiving it was the same as 21-1, but in SD.

JL
post #144 of 4216
Just wanted to chime in and say how much I have been enjoying having two options for OTA HD content. Thanks to WPTA and WISE for implementing this new technology.
post #145 of 4216
Does anyone know when WANE -DT will be up and running & passing through the HD signal?

I was watching CSI Miami the other night & it should have been in HD.

Hopefully for the Super bowl?

Thanks
post #146 of 4216
Amen to that. I am really looking forward to watching the NFL playoffs in HD.
post #147 of 4216
I fired off an e-mail to WANE-DT technical department the other day & received this response.

"Matt,

Our plan is to have "true" high def up and running the first week of
January. With everything, the holidays and a couple equipment
difficulties have held us back from beginning True HD. So, yes, we
should have things going by Super Bowl.

Mark Johnson
WANE-TV/DT"

I thought everyone would be interested in this information!
post #148 of 4216
Thanks for the update!

The superbowl would be good, the playoffs would be great!

They also need to boost their signal strength so that I can lock on to their signal on a more consistent basis.

Heres to an HD Superbowl!!

Jason
post #149 of 4216
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Originally posted by vereekej
Thanks for the update!

The superbowl would be good, the playoffs would be great!

They also need to boost their signal strength so that I can lock on to their signal on a more consistent basis.

Heres to an HD Superbowl!!

Jason

As a person close to the situation, it is not all that easy given the conditions to boost the signal strength.
post #150 of 4216
I have not had any problems getting WANE's signal at my location on the East side of Huntington city...
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