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post #3751 of 4216
West of Ashley, I lost all of 33 OTA channels better than a week ago & haven't seen anything of it since. In the "good ole days" at least I could watch a snowy picture when the station had to go to low power.

50 years ago our TV AND phone always worked great. Today I have to stand outside in the yard to use my cell phone which is ok because the TV stations not working anyway. I can't wait for more new technology to come along and make tomorrows life even better!!
post #3752 of 4216
15 is still gone....almost a week. 21 and 33 have been fine. Anybody else having issues with WANT-TV? I've always had 15...since I threw up an antenna...father-in-law is having issues and he's closer to Fort Wayne than me.
post #3753 of 4216
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Originally Posted by douglas-b View Post

15 is still gone....almost a week. 21 and 33 have been fine. Anybody else having issues with WANT-TV? I've always had 15...since I threw up an antenna...father-in-law is having issues and he's closer to Fort Wayne than me.

They had an equipment failure and are not at full power while waiting on parts.
post #3754 of 4216
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Originally Posted by John W View Post

They had an equipment failure and are not at full power while waiting on parts.

John is correct.

We continue to work on the situation and hope to have it resolved as soon as possible.
post #3755 of 4216
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Originally Posted by littlejimmy View Post

In the "good ole days" at least I could watch a snowy picture when the station had to go to low power.

50 years ago our TV AND phone always worked great. Today I have to stand outside in the yard to use my cell phone which is ok because the TV stations not working anyway. I can't wait for more new technology to come along and make tomorrows life even better!!

I'm all in favor of "progress," but you make a good point. Living around here and trying to watch local TV can be extremely frustrating. For me in Angola, I think getting my stations from South Bend is still the better option. I still wish I could get some kind of waiver and get some big city TV that's always on, always has good sound, is in HD when it's supposed to be in HD, etc.

In fairness, I must say that WANE-TV is usually just fine, I just don't know what's up with the hollow sounding stereo during CBS programming (I get that on all of my tv's). I seem to notice that more during Letterman and football games. Other than that, WANE is great.
post #3756 of 4216
Right on...thanks John W and jckrac for the response. I'll pass it along to my father-in-law.
post #3757 of 4216
Just an update for those with problems with WANE OTA:

We have a small army working on this problem 24X7. Its beena game of the further we dig, the more we find wrong. Thankfully, the area in question doesn't have many more parts for us to weed out.
post #3758 of 4216
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Originally Posted by jckrac View Post

Just an update for those with problems with WANE OTA:

We have a small army working on this problem 24X7. Its beena game of the further we dig, the more we find wrong. Thankfully, the area in question doesn't have many more parts for us to weed out.

How is the army doing?
post #3759 of 4216
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Originally Posted by John W View Post

How is the army doing?

Transmitter was brought back to full power yesterday afternoon. We're back at our regular ERP.

We let it sit all night in this set up to make sure all the parts played nice. We'll be running it through a correction routine yet today. If all goes well, we'll be back to pre-failure conditions.
post #3760 of 4216
One of the big plus items for HDTV is the capability to get listings, not only of what is playing now, but into the future as far as possible.

While the listing available on the TV itself is obvious, what may not be obvious to many (including the broadcasting stations) is the recording of TV shows.

I have had a MythTV based DVR system for perhaps 3 years. It runs on Linux and I use the Mythdora prepackaged install, currently v10. I used to get TV listings over the internet, but even better now is the listing in the OTA broadcast itself. My MythTV system will download the information, and based on the NAME of the show record it when it shows up in the listing.

Even if I am only interested in one occurrence of a show (a special of some kind, or a movie), the listings grid is very helpful. A couple of clicks and the recording is set.

IF there is no listing on a broadcast, it does not record unless I do a manual recording. That is not desirable because it is unreliable when the programs are shifted. If the listings are accurate AND are provided with plenty of lead time, I don't have to know when a show will be on. And I am not recording a show titled "House" that turns out to be "Haiti relief fund" or whatever.

Of the stations in Ft. Wayne (CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox), WANE does the best, with a listing that goes some 36 hours or more into the future. Fox has done the worst but is doing somewhat better now. Still, Fox does not go far enough into the future to reach 24 hours, and sometimes far less. ABC and NBC are somewhere in between.

Because I am located in Marion, IN, I know that the availability of listings differs depending on station. Since I can sometimes get broadcasts and listings from Indianapolis, I know that Fox 59 from Indy has listings when Fox 55 from Ft Wayne has little or none. The same can go for other channels. Usually the stations from Indy are too weak to be watchable though.

It is important to:
* Provide listings with as much advance as possible
* Keep them accurate. If something changes, update it. If an update occurs before a show starts, it should be caught and adjusted for by MythTv.
* The show description is important. It helps me know if I am interested, and it may help MythTv determine if it is a re-run show.
* If there is a field(s) that shows a programs re-run, original air date, etc are all useful item. Provide as much information as exists.
* For instance, in NFL football, put the Teams Playing in the appropriate fields. That way if the Teams I am interested in are the Colts (and whatever else) I can record them even if I am away for the weekend. Same works for any other programs I am interested in.

Thanks
post #3761 of 4216
As far as I know, the FCC only requires 12 hours of guide listings.

- Trip
post #3762 of 4216
Tippecanoe,

I also use MythTV only I don't rely on the over the air listings data. You seriously need to look into Schedules Direct ( http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ ). You get two full weeks of accurate listings data for only $20 a year.

If Mythdora doesn't support Schedules Direct then you should look into LinHES or Mythbuntu.

Martian
post #3763 of 4216
Martion 21 said:
Tippecanoe,

I also use MythTV only I don't rely on the over the air listings data. You seriously need to look into Schedules Direct. You get two full weeks of accurate listings data for only $20 a year.

If Mythdora doesn't support Schedules Direct then you should look into LinHES or Mythbuntu.

Martian
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I know about schedulesdirect. However, I am on dialup, and not super reliable dialup at that. I am in a rural location, and cable / DSL is a mile or so away. But it might as well be 50 miles. It will be years before broadband with a reasonable price and method will come here. None of the neighbors are happy about it either, and we have all prodded to get something, but no dice. We are also mostly surrounded by thick woods, negating the wireless broadband that some around here can get. What options that are available for on all the time broadband are just too expensive to make sense.

So, OTA listings IS the best thing going for me, and it does work pretty well. Provided they are updated. I was just emphasizing that fact to the TV station owners that might happen to be listening. A day or more of advance would generally do nicely, except for a manual recording of some show farther away than that done off the listings grid.

And a station that is not at least an hour or two up to date is not helpful at all. Things are better now, but that was the rule a year ago and less.

As for my distance (HDTV) to Ft. Wayne, it is about 50 miles, and I'm generally getting reception just fine barring weird weather like we had a week ago.
I also can sometimes get HTDV reception from Indianapolis somewhat intermittently.

If you know where "Nowhere" is, then I'm in the middle of it apparently. Some are worse off than me though.
post #3764 of 4216
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

As far as I know, the FCC only requires 12 hours of guide listings.

- Trip

I did not know the FCC only required 12 hrs of listings. That is interesting since few (if any) were doing that a year ago. A Fox 55 has not done well there.

However, forget the requirements, and look for competition. As with anything if life, better service gets more business. WANE 15 has them all beat here at this point.
post #3765 of 4216
Apparently one of the Fort Wayne station had some transmitter problems, was that a week ago? Well, the weather was apparently a big factor on Jan 17, with all the FW stations.

I generally could not reliable get any of them in as far as I could remember. I was especially wanting to watch the season opener of "24". I got snippets.

My MythTV recorders can be accessed via HDHomeRun Config on my laptop, and some other methods.

I found that the signal levels were all over the park, and very unsteady.

I also found that I could get these stations, also unreliably.
wotv, wtiu, wtvs, wfxw, wdcq, wclj
They are from places like, Bloomington IN, Terre Haute IN, Saginaw Mi, Grand Rapids MI, and Detroit MI. There may have been a few more.
I even have a screen capture from a MythTV recording on the Detroit station. It was recording ch 21 WPTA and lost the signal mid-recording to pickup MyTV20 from Detroit for awhile.
In case you don't have a feeling about how far that is, it is a drive of 237 mi 3 hours 48 mins according to Google maps.

I love the quality of HDTV. Just great. And I loved how SDTV would always come in. I have seen this type of anomaly before in the past year. It is really weird to have local reception destroyed and get stations from far far away.

That probably could be regarded as not important *unless* you need weather and news information during bad storm situations. And of course, that would be during weird weather.....

I'm guessing there is no good solution. Upping xmitter power would probably exacerbate the problem.
LL
post #3766 of 4216
Even with dial-up I would think you could set it up to automatically dial at like 3am and get the listings. I only connect once a day and almost never have bad data. The Schedules Direct data isn't all the much information and would easily work over dial-up. The only difficulty would be setting it up to auto-dial but I know it can be done.

Perhaps I'm spoiled but I couldn't stand only having 12 hours of guide info...

Martian
post #3767 of 4216
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Originally Posted by martian21 View Post

Even with dial-up I would think you could set it up to automatically dial at like 3am and get the listings. I only connect once a day and almost never have bad data. The Schedules Direct data isn't all the much information and would easily work over dial-up. The only difficulty would be setting it up to auto-dial but I know it can be done.

Perhaps I'm spoiled but I couldn't stand only having 12 hours of guide info...

Martian

I guess you are spoiled.
I used to connect with the pre-schedules direct (zap2it), and did do an automatic download of email and update of the schedule with an early AM cron job.

So yes, it can be done and I know how to do it.

However, as I said, the dial-up is unreliable. A year or so my ISP dropped my previously reliable connect number, and is using some others. And you just never know when it will work and not. If not, you have to call them to have it reset. Just a real pain, and I have been researching alternatives.

And two weeks of schedule data would be great. Agreed.

A question on schedules direct: If the program schedule changes due to a pre-emption (NFL game, etc) does SD update right away?
post #3768 of 4216
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

As far as I know, the FCC only requires 12 hours of guide listings.

Whatever length is required, actual programming content need not be reflected.
It can say "digital program" every half hour as long as the fields are populated.
post #3769 of 4216
Hey all, I'm new to the forum, and I need some help. My parents live right near Hilgers farm market and are having a devil of a time with their signal, especially 33. It drops signal like nobody's business. My dad knows nothing about the new digital switchover, other than he had to "buy a damn box" and "at least I used to be able to watch TV before I needed the damn box." Dad leans on me pretty hard on all his techy stuff.

He needs a good indoor antenna and a general direction to point it in. He's dead set against a outdoor antenna due to the wind and lightening problems they deal with, which have already cost them several pieces of yard furniture, a computer, and an audio receiver. I don't know much about terrestrial signals as I've been a satellite user since I started paying my own bills, so any advice would be much appreciated.
post #3770 of 4216
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Originally Posted by Tippecanoe View Post

I guess you are spoiled.
I used to connect with the pre-schedules direct (zap2it), and did do an automatic download of email and update of the schedule with an early AM cron job.

So yes, it can be done and I know how to do it.

However, as I said, the dial-up is unreliable. A year or so my ISP dropped my previously reliable connect number, and is using some others. And you just never know when it will work and not. If not, you have to call them to have it reset. Just a real pain, and I have been researching alternatives.

And two weeks of schedule data would be great. Agreed.

A question on schedules direct: If the program schedule changes due to a pre-emption (NFL game, etc) does SD update right away?

I also have MythTV with SD. 14 days of guide is great. I don't know how long it takes to update listings, but last Friday when most channels had the Haiti fundraiser, the guide changed in time and my recordings were canceled. You would be better off if you only updated the guide once a week or so.
post #3771 of 4216
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Originally Posted by aim4squirrels View Post

Hey all, I'm new to the forum, and I need some help. My parents live right near Hilgers farm market and are having a devil of a time with their signal, especially 33. It drops signal like nobody's business. My dad knows nothing about the new digital switchover, other than he had to "buy a damn box" and "at least I used to be able to watch TV before I needed the damn box." Dad leans on me pretty hard on all his techy stuff.

He needs a good indoor antenna and a general direction to point it in. He's dead set against a outdoor antenna due to the wind and lightening problems they deal with, which have already cost them several pieces of yard furniture, a computer, and an audio receiver. I don't know much about terrestrial signals as I've been a satellite user since I started paying my own bills, so any advice would be much appreciated.

Their are a couple things you can do, one is go to http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx and select input by zip code and enter 46704 for the Arcola zip and then when the map comes up just move the map to your actual location and this will give you the direction and type of antenna you will need.

Another one is to use the search function on the top of this page and then search for "antenna" and you will find what allot of people here are using.

Wingard recommends for your area to use SS-3000 indoor antenna. To see this antenna go to: http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/2452064.pdf

One other thought is you might want to watch what antenna you are using since you are really close to stations antenna's. You might be getting too strong of a signal.

Also note: Please be aware that attic installations will reduce signal by 50% and roofing made of cement tile, clay tiles or metal will reduce signal by 90%.

My mom was the same about the digital changeover, until she found out that she can get about twice the channels as analog and plus she isn't stuck watching sports all the time, she can watch CW and a bunch of others.

One thing funny was I pulled up Hilgers on Google earth and they have "HILGERSFARMS.COM" written in the field across the street. I thought that was pretty clever.

Hope this helps to get you started in the right direction?

diehard
post #3772 of 4216
Awesome info, thanks for the help!

I did use the search, unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) the amount of info on this forum is so prolific, I had a hard time cutting thru it all.
post #3773 of 4216
Is there anything going on at WANE TV? Are they running at full capacity?
post #3774 of 4216
jckrac,
Any info on when you may have the 1-frame ahead bar across the top of the screen resolved. It's a bit annoying as on my set, all other channels I use 1:1 map, but I have to switch to the 16:9 overscan mode to hide the flaw across the top.
post #3775 of 4216
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Originally Posted by douglas-b View Post

Is there anything going on at WANE TV? Are they running at full capacity?

They had to send something out for repair that seems to impact reception in certain areas.
post #3776 of 4216
It seems to be fine now. My son was watching Survivor and the signal strength was going up and down, then it just went out. 80%-86% now so it must be alright. If my wife and I can't get the Superbowl....we are gonna be... well, you know!
post #3777 of 4216
So is WANE going to drop the weather subchannel during the Super Bowl? It would be nice if they would allocate as much bandwidth as possible to the game. In the programing thread everyone says how great CBS looks in other markets without subchannels. I would like to be able to watch the game without all the macroblocking.
post #3778 of 4216
Something obviously just went wrong at the INC facility for 21 & 33.
post #3779 of 4216
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Originally Posted by John W View Post

Something obviously just went wrong at the INC facility for 21 & 33.

We lost a shared encoder frame. It has been repaired.
post #3780 of 4216
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Originally Posted by ENGjas View Post

We lost a shared encoder frame. It has been repaired.

Quickly too. Good job!
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