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post #3991 of 4216
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post

One has a choice. Pay for an antenna or pay to have someone deliver that content via cable/satellite. Even though I live about 15 miles from the antenna farm I get more reliable reception via satellite than OTA. (LOS is better to satellite than the farm.) And since I'm buying satellite for content that my local stations don't carry getting locals that way is a bonus.

BTW: DISH spends a lot of money to carry local channels ... receive sites, backhauls, uplink centers, more complex satellites ... all stuff that would not be needed if locals were not part of the picture. And then some stations add on their pound of flesh ... "pennies a day" that add up to a lot when every channel makes a demand.

And since the regulations do not require the same deal for all providers the pony can be a different size. Some systems may be getting a channel for free or "pennies per month" while others get held up for higher rates.

There needs to be better regulation ... personally I'd prefer a statutory license fee if anything is paid to the station. No negotiating between station and providers ... just a federally set price. That would best serve the consumer. I'd prefer that price to be "free" ... but as long as it is consistent across cable and satellite and across stations a statutory price would be better than "lets see how much we can milk the viewers via their providers".

Dear station: Before my locals were on satellite I found it more convenient to watch other content. If you're not carried I'll learn to live without you.

That, however, destroys free enterprise. You are doing this out of convenience. Now, if they started charging OTA viewers, that is an entirely different story. Quite frankly, I say they should charge at least a buck a month to DirecTV and Dish. Then, being how lazy people are, some would go back to an antenna, but most would stay put and just grumble. And putting up an attic antenna in a home isn't terribly hard for most. And it provides a nicer picture than the pay services (unless they buypass the muxer). What would best serve the consumer is for them to get off their backsides, quit grumbling about something slightly inconvenient, and get a source of TV in so that in an emergency, they aren't greeted by "no signal from satellite". And, as you said above, if you don't like it, then you are certainly free to live without them.
post #3992 of 4216
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Originally Posted by easy49 View Post
Glad I use a antenna. I'm a Dish customer for many years and generaly happy with it but I don't like getting in the middle of these disputes from time to time. My concern with the FOX change is what quality of picture will we get gong from a station that doesen't have sub channels to one splitting the bandwith three ways.
Only two ways as they've discontinued 33-3 for this, for now anyway.
post #3993 of 4216
I guess all truckers are living in one state and they have the dish and directv box with them traveling from one state to another. And they watch satellite in their rigs. So. This is theft of service cause the box is addressed to their home in wisconsin but watching tv at Fort Meyers truck stop. Knock on the window of their rigs and tell them their thieves. Iwill visit you in the emergency room at Parkview. Will some of you please get a life?
post #3994 of 4216
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Originally Posted by aerial1 View Post

I guess all truckers are living in one state and they have the dish and directv box with them traveling from one state to another. And they watch satellite in their rigs. So. This is theft of service cause the box is addressed to their home in wisconsin but watching tv at Fort Meyers truck stop. Knock on the window of their rigs and tell them their thieves. Iwill visit you in the emergency room at Parkview. Will some of you please get a life?

Except they have packages for just those type of people.
post #3995 of 4216
I was told that most major markets have the locals on the 101 satellite. But have nation wide coverage. so if you live in L.A. and you are in Fort waste you will get locals in standard definition. You must pay five dollars more for the extra receiver. And buy your own dish and mounting hardware. So come on over and try to get my receiver and dish.
post #3996 of 4216
The change doesn't bother me really. I got my antenna line plugged into the back of the receiver so the OTA's show up on the guide. Still pay the 5 bucks a month for the locals just so "the info" shows up on the guide.....i'm guessin Dish won't show "the info" for 33.2 on the guide tho.
post #3997 of 4216
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Originally Posted by aerial1 View Post

I guess all truckers are living in one state and they have the dish and directv box with them traveling from one state to another. And they watch satellite in their rigs. So. This is theft of service cause the box is addressed to their home in wisconsin but watching tv at Fort Meyers truck stop. Knock on the window of their rigs and tell them their thieves. Iwill visit you in the emergency room at Parkview. Will some of you please get a life?

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If you want good television and Chicago is the one.Then network with a relative or friend and use the extra H.D. box here in this city. you pay them a portion of the bill and you are ready. Chicago stations on the dish and Fort Wayne on the antenna. all you need is a slimline dish installed.

"Network with a relative or friend" to split the cost of the sub is theft of service.
post #3998 of 4216
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Originally Posted by trevsprunger View Post

The change doesn't bother me really. I got my antenna line plugged into the back of the receiver so the OTA's show up on the guide. Still pay the 5 bucks a month for the locals just so "the info" shows up on the guide.....i'm guessin Dish won't show "the info" for 33.2 on the guide tho.

They do now.
post #3999 of 4216
I am confused with WFFT. And i mean is the station going to provide another network like ME_tv or what. At this point they provide the best H.D. picture in town. No sub carriers. WBBM CBS 2 does the same only one high quality channel. And one more question when are the new Low power stations signing on. The 750foot old WKJG mast has no television transmitt antennas on it. its just to hold the red beacon light. Thats a waste of good tower space. Even an FM antenna would work. especially 106.3 that signal has serious issues. Please run it in mono mode. The stereo carrier is not necessary. and grade b coverage will improve. Go Michael Savage . the truth will set you free.
post #4000 of 4216
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Originally Posted by alesch1 View Post

"Network with a relative or friend" to split the cost of the sub is theft of service.

That is called good tv sense. Your in Middlebury you put up a 80 foot tower with the proper stacked and amped antenna and are watching chicago locals your stealing from the lousey South Bend dma market. And you split the signal and send it next door to your neighbor's house your a good business man.
post #4001 of 4216
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Originally Posted by aerial1 View Post

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Originally Posted by alesch1 View Post

"Network with a relative or friend" to split the cost of the sub is theft of service.

That is called good tv sense. Your in Middlebury you put up a 80 foot tower with the proper stacked and amped antenna and are watching chicago locals your stealing from the lousey South Bend dma market. And you split the signal and send it next door to your neighbor's house your a good business man.

Sharing a SUBSCRIPTION service is theft. Sharing a non-subscription service isn't.

OTA broadcast reception is non-subscription (although if he rebroadcast the signals to enough neighbor's homes for money he might be considered a cable system - and fall under the restrictions cable systems fall under).
post #4002 of 4216
WFFT's future plans:

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Fort Wayne, Indiana (July 19, 2011) -- WFFT-TV, owned and operated by Nexstar Broadcasting Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: NXST), and serving the Fort Wayne, Indiana, Ohio and Michigan areas, announced today that WFFT L0CAL will debut on August 1, 2011. WFFT LOCAL will bring viewers more local news content, new and exciting feature entertainment, hit prime-time programming and blockbuster movies. Nexstar also announced that all WFFT LOCAL programming will be broadcasting in full High Definition beginning October 1, making it the first television station in the market to offer full HD broadcasts of locally produced news and special programming.

...

Our significant investment in upgrading our equipment and broadcasts to HD also highlights our long-term community focus as WFFT LOCAL will bring viewers a terrific range of hit prime-time shows, blockbuster movies and other high quality entertainment programming to complement our market-leading news content. With our focus on local programming, WFFT LOCAL is creating highly compelling programming not only for our viewers but advertisers alike.

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On August 1, WFFT LOCAL's top-rated, First News at 10 daily Monday-Friday primetime newscast will expand to a full hour. Beginning October 1, WFFT LOCAL will be the first broadcast station in the market to air its newscasts and all available programming in full HD. By October 1, WFFT will also expand its First News at 10 to a full hour at 10:00 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays. As a result, Fort Wayne viewers will have a full hour of local news seven days a week in primetime at 10:00 p.m. Additionally, WFFT LOCAL will debut Fort Wayne's first Sunday night live weekly sports wrap-up show, The Locker Room, on Sundays at 11:00 p.m. The Locker Room will recap the week's local, regional and national sporting events, covering everything from local high school sports to local professional teams and the biggest professional contests from around the country....
post #4003 of 4216
Nexstar Broadcasting Files Antitrust Lawsuit against Granite Broadcasting and Its Fort Wayne Indiana Station, WISE-TV
- Seeks to End Granite's Monopolistic Practices in Fort Wayne for Local Television Advertising

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nex...k=MW_news_stmp
post #4004 of 4216
In an online customer chat this morning, a Dish Network rep told me the deal between Dish Network and My FOX Fort Wayne would be done by Monday and I would be able to "see the channels". Of course, she may have been "Peggy" chatting from a manure pit in India.
post #4005 of 4216
The " http://www.dropdishinftwayne.com/ " site is still up ... either WISE is sloppy in handling their website or there is no deal. The "switch" focused video is on that site.

The last INC story I can find on this is: http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/ne...124813544.html --- channel numbers listed with DISH listed as "TBA". Negotiations are "still ongoing" in the video interview.

There have been no test channel uplinks to DISH (yet) that could carry "EISE 33.2" ... I'd say Peggy is confused.
post #4006 of 4216
Hooked my OTA antenna up to my Dish receiver yesterday just in case, although I expect it'll be resolved before there's any new Fox programming of interest to me (e.g., fall network shows, NFL)
post #4007 of 4216
MyFOX Fort Wayne is live on Channel 34 on DirecTV.

WFFT-LOCAL is no longer carried on DirecTV, though it is rumored to return in September.

Any DVR Series Recordings that were set for Channel 55, will need to be redone for channel 34.

Good Luck!!
post #4008 of 4216
DISH Network is testing FOX !!! (In SD.)

New Uplinks / Mappings - Channels NOT Available
7439 WISED (56) FORT WAYNE, IN (FOX) added to 110° TP 22 (SD Fort Wayne, IN market *TEST* Hidden) No EPG
post #4009 of 4216
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Originally Posted by justalurker
DISH Network is testing FOX !!! (In SD.)

New Uplinks / Mappings - Channels NOT Available
7439 WISED (56) FORT WAYNE, IN (FOX) added to 110° TP 22 (SD Fort Wayne, IN market *TEST* Hidden) No EPG
This is a good thing for Dish subscribers, right? I'm not familiar with the channel process (upload, test, deploy etc...) Hopefully they have the HD feed up quickly. At least by September :-) Gotta have House/NFL in HD!
post #4010 of 4216
Uplinked usually means they are thinking about it. When the channel becomes active can be any time between immediately or never. Most channels are tested before opened up for customers to view just to make sure that the picture is viewable.

This is a SD uplink ... which is the first step. If an agreement includes the HD signal that would be a second uplink (with the SD uplink remaining to serve customers without HD equipment). DISH will have to match an EPG with the channel before turning it on.

I assume that they are mapping it at 56 to make it easier to find (next to the old Fox location). 22 and 34 are used in the neighboring South Bend market and some in the Fort Wayne market have OTA reception of 22 and 34. No one would have via satellite reception of both markets but it would be odd to get PBS OTA on 34-1 and 34-2 and the new Fox station via satellite on 34-0.
post #4011 of 4216
One step closer ...

7439 WISED (56) FORT WAYNE, IN (FOX) 110° TP 22 SD Fort Wayne, IN market *TEST* Hidden - EPG Added

Still not available - but now it has program guide information.
post #4012 of 4216
God, channel 55 is boring. Newcasters stink to high heaven. Too bad their management are a bunch of worthless hacks. They'd do MUCH better with a "baby-boomer" schedule such as Carol Burnett, Mission:Impossible, Mannix, Cannon, Charlie's Angels, Love Boat, Fantasy Island etc etc. But of course, that would require creative thinking which is beyond anyone who is employed at that station.
post #4013 of 4216
Seems a bit odd to see promos for Fox shows on NBC.
post #4014 of 4216
Per Indiana's News Center Inside Indiana Business, the negotiations are "at a standstill." (Quoting Granites COO)

Unfortunately, one cannot trust that coming from INC Granite, as they are incented to appear as though they are the good guys.

This is so ****ing ridiculous, they both need to get over their penis envy and get a deal done. Everyone knows they are going to, why wait until the last minute?

I'm planning on setting up the old antenna anyway, but this is still so stupid.


EDIT: Had the wrong site listed. Link: http://www.insideindianabusiness.com...m.asp?ID=49138

EDIT2: So, in the first article Lammers (Granites COO) states he does not know what Dish and Nexstars agreement was, and that Granite does not take previous agreements into account when negotiating. Then, in this article http://www.journalgazette.net/articl...99939/1031/BIZ Lammers complains that Dish is asking for a 325% increase. Hey, buddy, how do you know if you, "Don't know what Dish was charging Nexstar..."?

What a load of crap.
post #4015 of 4216
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Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post

Per Indiana's News Center Inside Indiana Business, the negotiations are "at a standstill." (Quoting Granites COO)

Unfortunately, one cannot trust that coming from INC Granite, as they are incented to appear as though they are the good guys.

This is so ****ing ridiculous, they both need to get over their penis envy and get a deal done. Everyone knows they are going to, why wait until the last minute?

I'm planning on setting up the old antenna anyway, but this is still so stupid.


EDIT: Had the wrong site listed. Link: http://www.insideindianabusiness.com...m.asp?ID=49138

EDIT2: So, in the first article Lammers (Granites COO) states he does not know what Dish and Nexstars agreement was, and that Granite does not take previous agreements into account when negotiating. Then, in this article http://www.journalgazette.net/articl...99939/1031/BIZ Lammers complains that Dish is asking for a 325% increase. Hey, buddy, how do you know if you, "Don't know what Dish was charging Nexstar..."?

What a load of crap.

Well, you have it ass backwards. Lammers didn't mention a 325% increase, the Dish spokesman did. The station charges Dish not the other way around. Per the story on J-G web site.
post #4016 of 4216
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Originally Posted by John W View Post

Lammers didn't mention a 325% increase, the Dish spokesman did. The station charges Dish not the other way around. Per the story on J-G web site.

DISH (and other satellite/cable) are prohibited by law from charging stations for carriage. The other way isn't prohibited - it is encouraged by laws that allow a station to withhold consent to carry in exchange for money or other consideration.

The 325% probably includes a raise for 33.1 as well. For example (purely theoretical) 33.1 currently costs 47c per subscriber per month and now they want $2 per month for both 33.1 and 33.2 .

DISH is not required to carry subchannels - only the .1 (in this case 33.1) is required to be offered carriage. But Fox is programming that they wish to carry so they negotiate - and try to keep the cost within reason.

There is also the aspect of 55 to deal with. Unless DISH's contract automatically lowered the price if the affiliation is lost DISH could be paying 55 even though they are no longer a network affiliate. When that contract expires 55 will likely become a "must carry" station that can force carriage but doesn't get paid ... unless they can become popular enough to charge for their signal.

It isn't an immediate case of taking the x dollars per month DISH paid 55 and pay 33.2 instead. DISH didn't make a contract with the network, they worked out agreements with the stations.
post #4017 of 4216
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post

DISH (and other satellite/cable) are prohibited by law from charging stations for carriage. The other way isn't prohibited - it is encouraged by laws that allow a station to withhold consent to carry in exchange for money or other consideration.

The 325% probably includes a raise for 33.1 as well. For example (purely theoretical) 33.1 currently costs 47c per subscriber per month and now they want $2 per month for both 33.1 and 33.2 .

DISH is not required to carry subchannels - only the .1 (in this case 33.1) is required to be offered carriage. But Fox is programming that they wish to carry so they negotiate - and try to keep the cost within reason.

There is also the aspect of 55 to deal with. Unless DISH's contract automatically lowered the price if the affiliation is lost DISH could be paying 55 even though they are no longer a network affiliate. When that contract expires 55 will likely become a "must carry" station that can force carriage but doesn't get paid ... unless they can become popular enough to charge for their signal.

It isn't an immediate case of taking the x dollars per month DISH paid 55 and pay 33.2 instead. DISH didn't make a contract with the network, they worked out agreements with the stations.

I believe Dish and Nexstar/55 allowed the contact to expire, but I'm not sure. Either way, it's gonna be a tough sell for WFFT. There just isn't anything that they can use as leverage.
post #4018 of 4216
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Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post

I believe Dish and Nexstar/55 allowed the contact to expire, but I'm not sure. Either way, it's gonna be a tough sell for WFFT. There just isn't anything that they can use as leverage.

DISH still carries WFFT 55 ... in SD and HD ... and they would not be doing that if their contract had expired. If they are carried as a "must carry" station (doubtful for a major affiliate) that status would continue beyond the loss of affiliation. That would be their biggest leverage in the future - an existing law that protects local stations.

If WFFT is "consent to carry" (likely) I could see that price drop to zero if they can't keep their viewership numbers up. They certainly won't be able to walk into renewal and be able to use their affiliation to get more money.
post #4019 of 4216
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post

DISH still carries WFFT 55 ... in SD and HD ... and they would not be doing that if their contract had expired. If they are carried as a "must carry" station (doubtful for a major affiliate) that status would continue beyond the loss of affiliation. That would be their biggest leverage in the future - an existing law that protects local stations.

If WFFT is "consent to carry" (likely) I could see that price drop to zero if they can't keep their viewership numbers up. They certainly won't be able to walk into renewal and be able to use their affiliation to get more money.

Its been mentioned elsewhere that those with Direct TV who do see 33.2 My Fox Fort Wayne lost 55 at the same time they gained 33.2. Supposedly that is going to change soon if it hasn't already.
post #4020 of 4216
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Originally Posted by justalurker View Post
DISH still carries WFFT 55 ... in SD and HD ... and they would not be doing that if their contract had expired. If they are carried as a "must carry" station (doubtful for a major affiliate) that status would continue beyond the loss of affiliation. That would be their biggest leverage in the future - an existing law that protects local stations.

If WFFT is "consent to carry" (likely) I could see that price drop to zero if they can't keep their viewership numbers up. They certainly won't be able to walk into renewal and be able to use their affiliation to get more money.
Derp derp, you're right, it was Nexstar/FOX that allowed their contract to expire. It was like a year I thought.
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