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looking at dx website http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html#hour24should be a good couple days, full moon tomorrow night.

I am truly bewildered. Just spoke with a Scott at NJN. He said there has been no power reduction in any of their signals at NJN, but that he would have my usual contact there, NJN Assistant Director Of Engineering Rick Williams call me back. For once I am at a loss for words!!!

Thank you Len. Just to clarify, the plain CM4228 is this one and the one NYC has offered me is this one? Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the large one? I also looked into the Channel Master CM7777 Titan2 at Solid Signal and from prior experience the 23 db VHF gain and the 26 db UHF gain on this amp would without a doubt overload my system. I cannot exceed a 17-19 db gain here. Unfortunately, I am not at all handy enough to build my own antenna. I'm real good at setting up video systems indoors though.


It is very perplexing. Sunday and Monday nights I received CBS all evening without so much as a single drop-out. Last night it was popping in and out prior to 9PM, then after that it literally disappeared. As far as I could tell, there was no tropo and the weather conditions were just about identical all 3 evenings.


So neither of the above is the old 4228A correct? It appears that these U/V 4228's are apparently not for me, as VHF reception here is perfect, particularly because I'm receiving WKOB with a solid 90 signal strength today, the highest I've ever seen it.


Not speculation. If you were here I could show you an A/B comparison. You would not only see a startling difference in the richness of the video quality, but as well you would hear the difference in the quality of the Digital Dolby sound. Like night and day!!


Will look forward to it NYC!!

The CM4228 HD is the new model and some say it is not as good as the old one.

Also depending on where you live you may not need a preamp. I would have to look to see where Great Neck is located. If you are within 20-30 miles of NY City with decent LOS to the ESB you may not need a preamp.

My two antennas are identical 4228As purchased in 2008 before they were discontinued.


The VHF on the 4228 is high VHF, not low VHF. The back screen performs as a radiating element which gives it a little gain on VHF high. For VHF low it is close to useless. You'd get WKOB on a coat hanger quite honestly.



I don't think they overcompress it. It might just be their crappy box. They don't 3 pack local HD but they do share the bandwidth with the subs... however since the OTA signal also shares with the subs that should not be an issue. I'm curious to know if someone has done an actual comparison of the bitrates.

cablevision compresses hd channels up to 3 per qam but they do not compress local hd channels.

Most cable providers do 3 per QAM. Quite honestly there is nothing wrong with 3 per QAM for some channels because they're coming down from the sats overcompressed to begin with...

So neither of the above is the old 4228A correct? It appears that these U/V 4228's are apparently not for me, as VHF reception here is perfect, particularly because I'm receiving WKOB with a solid 90 signal strength today, the highest I've ever seen it. originally posted by deadformatlover

the link i gave you is for the old stock cm 4228A. not 4228HD the previous is better than the latter

here is link that has comparisons http://www.highdefforum.com/797415-post30.html

It is my understanding that FCC Regulations prohibit cable service providers from "degrading" (i.e., compressing) the signals of must-carry local broadcasters.

Lots of luck with that one!

LenL, I believe Great Neck is about 12 to 13 aerial miles from the ESB, however my line if sight is poor because I'm in a valley.

raj2001 and NYC, I think I'm going to stick with what I have for now and raise both antennas and see what happens first before I delve into a new antenna. Everything worked very well, even CBS when my old antennas were 2 roofs over. I believe in that previous location I was just lucky and got a decent shot through the trees and buildings, and as I mentioned they were 20 and 25 up as opposed to only 15 ft. now.

raj2001, nyctveng, and johnosolis, you're all welcome to visit me and see the diff bet. any of the OTA channels vs. Cablevision, though I wouldn't doubt the crappy Cisco boxes might be the culprit. SnellKrell knows.

I do?

Thank you, but I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to!

Ha ha, sorry I misunderstood your "Lots of luck with that one!" post.

So the rains came and CBS & NBC have disappeared.

yeah, there was no cbs tonight from 6-6:30 pm during cbs local news. anyone else noticed, afterwards when both stations showed up they came in great. atmospherics ?

At that hour, unlikely. Possibly this fellow drained the signal from CBS for about 30 minutes.

galaxy being lol i love the outer limits the original always the best. you mention that you live in a valley http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...1t:429,r:7,s:0

If only ...

"The Galaxy Being" September 16, 1963
The engineer of radio station KXKVI (sic), who is researching microwave background noise, inadvertently gets an alien from the Andromeda Galaxy on his three-dimensional television screen. Both are conducting illicit experiments; the human being should not be using the radio station's power, and the alien is forbidden to contact Earth "because you are danger to other galaxies." Despite warnings from the alien about applying excessive power to the communication, an undisciplined disc jockey turns it up whilst the engineer is being feted at a banquet. The power surge causes the microwave creature to be pulled through the communications apparatus and to appear on Earth. Although it has no desire to cause harm, its unearthly composition wreaks havoc by radiation, electrical blackouts, atmospheric disturbances, and overloaded-circuit explosions. While authorities quickly mobilize to attack the "hostile" alien, the engineer desperately tries to find a way to get it back to its home planet.

Certainly the line up is very good the too old for young to know worthy to watch, however it seems to me that the ch.42 is still searching-testing signal
the primary 42-1 strictly religious broadcast with Audio mostly or Video of -1 on 42-2, the 42-4 only color bars, no program,nada, 42-3 REtro have sound but lots of stills pix

They are going to get smashed by Antenna TV. A networked backed Old time Tv channel. Will always win. Imo.

they show the outer limts original black on white on thistv. if you goto their website they have schedule and episode list.
my personal favorite from ol is the man that was never born.

deadformatlover how is cbs reception wise during the daylight hours, compare with evening ? is cbs antenna on esb directional, just thinking cos wfsb in same rf ch 33 you probably getting some co-channel interference that would hinder your viewing. i remember back on analog when we got co-channel we would see, artifacts on screen but you could still see channel, but with dtv you get screwed

Quite true, however there's a tremendous viewing audience across the country within that age group who watched these shows as youngsters. Just look at the RTV Facebook page. They are adding coverage to new markets just about once a week. It is unfortunate they chose WKOB, a bottom of the barrel operation no doubt, but even with the technical problems, (I am not seeing only still pix), it seems that the shows which are broadcast early in the day are viewable. No idea why but by mid-afternoon and evening the strobing gets worse and worse. It is also strange that there's no response by RTV on Facebook to anyone who has posted about WKOB's problems.

I spoke with NJN Assistant Director Of Engineering today. Just about the date I first reported a significant reduction in channel 50's signal one of their 3 exciter amplifiers failed. They are waiting for a new one which he said once installed should restore their signal to where it was prior to Sept. 13. He also told me they just boosted the signal on 58-1 (VHF channel 8) by 115%!!

Yes I know, I got 'em all taped from Hulu.com. Much better quality!! Love that ep. too!!


It's hit and miss, but yes usually CBS is better during daylight hours, but the thing is I have the very same issues with NBC too.

That must mean they're now at 40 kW as requested under STA.

- Trip

I'm a huge fan of the original Outer Limits. My favorite episode is The Inheritors. (The remake was horrible.)

- Trip

You have impeccable taste Trip!!

The Inheritors, Part 1

The Inheritors, Part 2

I never knew there was a remake?

Hehe. It's a wonderful episode.


http://www.tv.com/episode/21524/summary.html
http://www.tv.com/video/10399639/

I managed to make it through the whole thing, somehow. Absolutely terrible.

- Trip

Oh ok, the new Outer Limits. Yeah I'm watching it now but I'll take your advice and skip it. Never liked any of those. I was reading on YouTube all these folks posting how the second series was superior to the original. I was dumbfounded, buy hey, to each his own.