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post #14881 of 17105
The other day I've watched dvd the Big Lebowski, in one scene the police chief in Malibu beats and kicks the L.A. trespasser the Dude, and I was wondering Can anything good come out from Malibu the Lights or no lights. Anyway, LenL, when the Pony Express from California arrives, let us know.
post #14882 of 17105
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

All of you have good points about this issue. In my case I suspect that if you are over 50 to 100 feet from the lights you would not be impacted. Yes my FM radio test did prove the lights were an issue but I had to get within a foot or 2 of the lights to detect a problem. My OTA antennas are about 50 feet away but since they are catching more signal with a much bigger footprint than that FM radio antenna I suspect more impact from RF noise. Plus the line of sight of my antennas are coming into play as they pretty much face the lights. All of these are factors to consider. Those LED lights would probably not be an issue if they being used by the neighbor on the other side of me. I don't think anyone driving on my street will have a radio issue, phone issue etc. Even emergency responders.

you're going to have to put aside that fear of heights you have and put the antennas higher or move them back more to the other side of the house. might as well just consolidate to a better, sole antenna.
post #14883 of 17105
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

So far good news! I did get an email response from Malibu Lighting today. It appears they are aware of the issue with their LED lights giving off RF noise. It goes as follows (the typo is from their message):

"Ye sir we are aware of the issue and have low noise replacements available. Please reply back with a copy of the receipt, model numbers, and quantities needed."

So next I will see if my neighbor has the receipt. Hopefully they do and I can proceed to see if Malibu will actually send replacements and if the replacements are better at suppressing RF noise. My saga continues.

Since it is your neighbor and you are not responsible for the receipt. Hopefully they will let you just return then for a replacement. Or let you buy the low noise at a low cost.

This will be your cheapest way out of this mess.

I learn so much from this forum
post #14884 of 17105
My Neighbor gave me the receipt. I scanned it and made an electronic PDF copy. I sent it to Malibu Lighting and now wait for their reply. Since I gave them what they asked for we should hear back that they are sending replacement LED assemblies that don't give off RF noise or at least reduce the noise. Either option would be helpful. I am considering whether I should add some other LOW VHF filters suggested. These would be at the antenna and before the preamp. Not sure these would do anything for my RF noise issue but if the replacement LED assemblies don't help these will be worth a try and my only other option. No.... I'm not relocating antennas!
post #14885 of 17105
I suggest waiting to add any filters until the replacement LEDs arrive, are installed, and put in operation. The lag time will probably be frustrating for you, but you want to know if the replacements alleviate the problem. Alternately, you could install them now and take them off-line once the replacements arrive to test. If you don't hear back from the company in a reasonable time, don't hesitate to send them a friendly reminder e-mail.
post #14886 of 17105
Man it's been awhile since I looked at WABC on OTA.. man geez does it look softer now.. Why do they have two livewell channels?
post #14887 of 17105
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Originally Posted by SubaruB4 View Post

Man it's been awhile since I looked at WABC on OTA.. man geez does it look softer now.. Why do they have two livewell channels?

Does seem like a total waste. ABC's explanation is that it maximizes the number of viewers. In other words, cable companies make the HD version available only to subscribers with HD equipment. Hopefully, that won't last much longer. I do miss the AccuWeather channel.
On that note, CBS is looking at a local newschannel setup to run on their O&Os. They stated that they will have an hourly "wheel" format with specific types of reports each hour, the same way their newsradio stations operate.
post #14888 of 17105
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Originally Posted by NYC View Post

On that note, CBS is looking at a local newschannel setup to run on their O&Os. They stated that they will have an hourly "wheel" format with specific types of reports each hour, the same way their newsradio stations operate.

Yes, and it's scheduled to fire up before the end of the year.
post #14889 of 17105
Looking forward to see how it goes.
post #14890 of 17105
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

All of you have good points about this issue. In my case I suspect that if you are over 50 to 100 feet from the lights you would not be impacted. Yes my FM radio test did prove the lights were an issue but I had to get within a foot or 2 of the lights to detect a problem. My OTA antennas are about 50 feet away but since they are catching more signal with a much bigger footprint than that FM radio antenna I suspect more impact from RF noise. Plus the line of sight of my antennas are coming into play as they pretty much face the lights. All of these are factors to consider. Those LED lights would probably not be an issue if they being used by the neighbor on the other side of me. I don't think anyone driving on my street will have a radio issue, phone issue etc. Even emergency responders.

An FM broadcast radio receiver is specifically designed to eliminate amplitude inteference. The R.F. noise from the LED lights will have far more impact on VHF 8VSB television.

Distance IS your friend as you say.

FCC is very keen on working with situations like this. Notify them if the manufacturer doesn't see the problem is eliminated.
post #14891 of 17105
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Originally Posted by SubaruB4 View Post

Man it's been awhile since I looked at WABC on OTA.. man geez does it look softer now.. Why do they have two livewell channels?

Not really pertinent to your post, but overnight (early this AM) from 1:28 to 2:45 I recorded the Da Vinci's Inquest episode and had no reception issues at all. I know that the work at the ESB is supposed to continue to the end of the year (longer?) and that they are doing it late at night (early AM), but I'm hopeful that it's either done or about to be done.

I haven't been recording that show for a couple of months or more now, so I'm not current on the status of overnight reception. I recorded last night's episode because it's one of the ones I missed previously and I'm trying to get the entire series for myself. My next missing episode is ~11 weeks off, so I'm thinking the work should be done by then.

I missed either all or part of quite a few episodes earlier this year due to the ESB work. Seems they were doing it right around the time Da Vinci was on. So I hope that work is winding down because I don't know how much longer they are going to continue broadcasting this show.

As for your issue, the quality looks fine to me, but I'm not really watching anything in true HD anyway even tho' I have that capability. Plus this show isn't being broadcast in a full-screen HD format (the screen display is smaller).

The only other NYC OTA issue for me is my MY9 reception, which appears to be just a bit off. But it might just be me. My antenna took a hit in that October snowstorm. The mast got bent right at the roofline as the wind and snow load (I guess) caused it to get bent straight over onto my roof. So I lost about 18 inches of mast height, which I just cut off. The antenna itself also took a bit of a hit in the fall, but seems to work just fine but for the possible MY9 problem.

But, again, it could be the ESB work that accounts. I'm hoping I get good enough reception for the Giants game tonight; but at the moment, it's looking a little iffy.


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RS Model VU-190 XR antenna
post #14892 of 17105
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

But, again, it could be the ESB work that accounts. I'm hoping I get good enough reception for the Giants game tonight; but at the moment, it's looking a little iffy.



There is currently tropo enhancement so signals are going to travel further. A borderline reception situation can be expected to change.
post #14893 of 17105
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Originally Posted by 2VW View Post

There is currently tropo enhancement so signals are going to travel further. A borderline reception situation can be expected to change.

Distance is not my problem. I have partial blockage from a ridge that's nearby.

I just tried to fine tune my reception by tweaking the antenna a bit to the right or left. The reception is still very iffy @ 84%, which is right on the edge of reception.

But channels 11 and 13 are very good and even better than usual.

However, ch 4 is also pretty iffy. And that's usually pretty good.

So I'm thinking maybe the UHF portion of my antenna, which got bent a bit in the fall due to the snowfall, is responsible.

I'll have to straighten that out (if I can) and see if that improves my reception.

In the meantime, looks like my Giants game viewing tonight will be pretty unsatisfactory

Unless conditions improve by game time (which would be nice)

post #14894 of 17105
Is it true that CBS 2.2 has a place holder ?
post #14895 of 17105
Yes!
post #14896 of 17105
Yep, just did a scan, and sure enough picked up 2.2

Now wondering when this actually goes live, and also how much does 2.1 suffer.
post #14897 of 17105
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Originally Posted by mikepier View Post

Yep, just did a scan, and sure enough picked up 2.2......and how much does 2.1 suffer.

That is the $64,000 question.
post #14898 of 17105
Anyone else having PSIP issues WNYE-DT?

WNYE keeps mapping channels to 24.3 and 24.4 with no channel name for either channel.
post #14899 of 17105
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Originally Posted by icemannyr View Post

Anyone else having PSIP issues WNYE-DT?

WNYE keeps mapping channels to 24.3 and 24.4 with no channel name for either channel.

I have had that problem for months. Tried contacting WNYE, no response.
post #14900 of 17105
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Originally Posted by mikepier View Post

Yep, just did a scan, and sure enough picked up 2.2

Now wondering when this actually goes live, and also how much does 2.1 suffer.

The ID for the WCBS 2.2 channel states: "NEWS, WEATHER, TRAFFIC AND SPORTS" with just a black screen and no sound.
post #14901 of 17105
The WCBS-TV New York .2 sub-channel is indeed an active stream with no audio or video content. It is SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. Language is English. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as CBSNY+ on virtual channel 2-2. Time and program guide information are accurate.
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Originally Posted by NYC View Post

The ID for the WCBS 2.2 channel states: "NEWS, WEATHER, TRAFFIC AND SPORTS" with just a black screen and no sound.

This text appears as the current program, both title and subject. It is a 24-hour program beginning daily at 12:00AM and ending at 11:59PM.
post #14902 of 17105
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Originally Posted by Giacomo Siffredi View Post

The WCBS-TV New York .2 sub-channel is indeed an active stream with no audio or video content. It is SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio.

I hope they can learn from NY nonstop on 4.2 and broadcast in 16:9 SD.
post #14903 of 17105
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Originally Posted by NYC View Post

The ID for the WCBS 2.2 channel states: "NEWS, WEATHER, TRAFFIC AND SPORTS" with just a black screen and no sound.

I was going to say the same I had just got my new tv yesterday and I saw that 2.2 and but it was blank so I don't know what was wrong.
post #14904 of 17105
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

Not really pertinent to your post, but overnight (early this AM) from 1:28 to 2:45 I recorded the Da Vinci's Inquest episode and had no reception issues at all. I know that the work at the ESB is supposed to continue to the end of the year (longer?) and that they are doing it late at night (early AM), but I'm hopeful that it's either done or about to be done.

I haven't been recording that show for a couple of months or more now, so I'm not current on the status of overnight reception. I recorded last night's episode because it's one of the ones I missed previously and I'm trying to get the entire series for myself. My next missing episode is ~11 weeks off, so I'm thinking the work should be done by then.

I missed either all or part of quite a few episodes earlier this year due to the ESB work. Seems they were doing it right around the time Da Vinci was on. So I hope that work is winding down because I don't know how much longer they are going to continue broadcasting this show.

As for your issue, the quality looks fine to me, but I'm not really watching anything in true HD anyway even tho' I have that capability. Plus this show isn't being broadcast in a full-screen HD format (the screen display is smaller).

The only other NYC OTA issue for me is my MY9 reception, which appears to be just a bit off. But it might just be me. My antenna took a hit in that October snowstorm. The mast got bent right at the roofline as the wind and snow load (I guess) caused it to get bent straight over onto my roof. So I lost about 18 inches of mast height, which I just cut off. The antenna itself also took a bit of a hit in the fall, but seems to work just fine but for the possible MY9 problem.

But, again, it could be the ESB work that accounts. I'm hoping I get good enough reception for the Giants game tonight; but at the moment, it's looking a little iffy.


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Sony KV-27HS420
SIR-TS360 receiver (also VOOM OTA box (retired VOOM Satellite box))
RS Model VU-190 XR antenna


You know what's odd.. is I just got a new TV so I did a channel scan and it found way more channels then my set-top box and my tv tuner card in the PC.. it's like stations I could never get like WMBC and a few others. They all come back with weak or no signal..

Now having said that what is this channel called "Antenna?" it's mostly all b&w old shows?
post #14905 of 17105
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Originally Posted by SubaruB4 View Post

You know what's odd.. is I just got a new TV so I did a channel scan and it found way more channels then my set-top box and my tv tuner card in the PC.. it's like stations I could never get like WMBC and a few others. They all come back with weak or no signal..

Now having said that what is this channel called "Antenna?" it's mostly all b&w old shows?

My two brands of set top boxes are vastly different in terms of reception capability. The VOOM is the older one and it's much better at pulling in stations. The Samsung is significantly worse than the VOOM even tho' it's a more recent box.

Plus I have two of each brand, and the one VOOM pretty significantly outdoes the other, so go figure.

But both boxes (VOOM and Samsung) are well-outdated at this point and I would expect that your new TV's tuner would be better at pulling in stations, generally speaking.

You might want to look at the Wikipedia page for Antenna TV if you'd like to know a bit more about it.
post #14906 of 17105
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Originally Posted by SubaruB4 View Post

You know what's odd.. is I just got a new TV so I did a channel scan and it found way more channels then my set-top box and my tv tuner card in the PC.. it's like stations I could never get like WMBC and a few others. They all come back with weak or no signal..

Now having said that what is this channel called "Antenna?" it's mostly all b&w old shows?

No color also

http://www.antennatv.tv/
post #14907 of 17105
Is the signal coming from the ESB? I did not see anything on the wiki showing
post #14908 of 17105
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Originally Posted by Giacomo Siffredi View Post

It is a 24-hour program beginning daily at 12:00AM and ending at 11:59PM.

Still no audio nor video on 2-2 CBSNY+, however, I noticed that the beginning and ending times were adjusted to the top of each hour -- I assume to match up with their "wheel." I am surprised that they aren't doing any stunting (for example, what WNJU and SOI are airing on the recently launched 47.3, all about starting a TV channel -- but what's it really about?!).

On another note, what's happened with WKOB? I have not tuned in for a while as I don't get it after dark (or actually, after the street lights turn on). Tried tuning in to HOT TV over the weekend to just see a test pattern. Has HOT gone the way of RTV and the 24/7 Movie Network? Thanks in advance for any details...
post #14909 of 17105
was flipping through the channels and noticed 2.2 (didnt even scan for it). As mentioned the channel remains black so im wondering when we will be able to see the content they are pushing on this now LIVE channel.

I was also watching the Victoria Secret Fashion Show ( ) last night (despite being very windy outside, my picture only broke up twice during the broadcast) and noticed CBS 2.1 quality sound and picture still was great despite this new channel showing up (or should I wait for actual content to show up on the new channel to do "test"?).
post #14910 of 17105
Hey SubaruB4 and NYC,
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Originally Posted by SubaruB4 View Post

Is the signal coming from the ESB? I did not see anything on the wiki showing

Yes. Antenna is the .4 sub-channel of WPIX New York, Channel 11. It has been active since December 31, 2010.
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Originally Posted by NYC View Post

On another note, what's happened with WKOB? I have not tuned in for a while as I don't get it after dark (or actually, after the street lights turn on). Tried tuning in to HOT TV over the weekend to just see a test pattern. Has HOT gone the way of RTV and the 24/7 Movie Network? Thanks in advance for any details...

Yeah, HOT TV has been off for about three weeks. Before the outage, Nave was advertising for salespeople to sell standard and long-form spots on 42-3, formerly 42-4. I don't know if they recruited anyone, but if selling the station was hard before (lack of advertising, public-domain programming mainly appealing to an upper-end demographic, many people ignorant about how OTA TV works, Low-Power signal on an interference-prone TV band, etc.), I doubt a 24/7 test pattern with no audio will improve its appeal to a broad array of potential advertisers

Don't misunderstand me. I liked watching HOT TV and WKOB 24/7 Drive-In and would like for them to return. But they have been cost-effective placeholders until a programmer comes along wishing to lease the sub-channels, such as what apparently happened with 42-1 when Mundo Hispano TV came along. This is probably why the channel lineup was switched around shortly before MHTV replaced WKOB 24/7 Drive-In. The rearrangement gave MHTV the primary channel status.

Television is a business and licensees have to be profitable to continue to offer their valued services to the public at no cost.

HOT TV maintains both a website and a Facebook page, but neither seem to impart any reason for the outage on WKOB.

HOT TV Network
WKOB HOT TV 42.3

That being said, even if another programmer is waiting in the wings, I don't know why Nave simply discontinued the feed.

The RTV situation is different. That network is rapidly losing affiliates because of poor business practices such as failing to re-license popular libraries and poor customer service. They took down their old Facebook page because they didn't like all the comments from viewers across the country who questioned why the signal was so poor. Now they have a new Facebook page on which they put out all their information and use their actual website as a back-up Very unusual situation over there in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I really would like for RTV to once again become a viable source of classic TV, but with their present lineup and questionable customer service it doesn't seem likely very soon.
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