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post #15361 of 16570
1/17/12 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

What are we looking for exactly? The fuzz on the second pic?

If you look at the first pic which is right after the camera shot changed you can see the extra digital compression artifacts which go away a half second later on the second pic.


WNYW-DT has the same problem except the artifacts on video transitions stay around longer before they clear up.
The first has the extra artifacts and they clear up in the second pic.
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post #15362 of 16570
1/17/12 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

What are we looking for exactly? The fuzz on the second pic?

Look at the picture on the left.

The woman in the red skirt - look at the pattern on her stockings.
Also look at Al Roker's suit and its pattern.

Then look at the differences on the picture to the right.

Those are things that I see.

Hope that helps.
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post #15363 of 16570
1/17/12 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by SnellKrell View Post

Look at the picture on the left.

The woman in the red skirt - look at the pattern on her stockings.
Also look at Al Roker's suit and its pattern.

Then look at the differences on the picture to the right.

Those are things that I see.

Hope that helps.

I call it fuzz. I can see how it would be annoying.

What is the cause? Compression? Encoding issue?
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post #15364 of 16570
1/17/12 at 7:12pm
I find it odd WNBC is having these problems after deleting a sub channel.
You would expect the PQ to improve.

As for WNYW-DT I don't know why their video is so bad.
They have one SD sub channel. Not sure if they have a mobile DTV feed.
Watching the 10pm news just now there's a heavy amount of video compression noise artifacts in the background.

I also find it funny My9 refuses to tape stores in 16:9 SD when those reports will air on FOX5.
My9 may have no interest in broadcasting news in HD but they should at least be taping stories in 16:9.
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post #15365 of 16570
1/17/12 at 9:14pm
I received a response email today from a WNBC engineer:

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We are following up. There have been some changes recently, but the cable change didn't happen until Wednesday last week. Over the air was done the week before. The changes included an increase in bandwidth for WNBC so the images should have improved.

More to come on this.
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post #15366 of 16570
1/17/12 at 11:47pm
Good to know WNBC is working on their feed.

I wonder if WCBS has or plans make any adjustments to try and reduce the motion artifacts?
Is there feed just simply to sharp and that is part of the problem?
CBSNY+ 2.2 is back on the air with the blue box moving up and down with audio tone.
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post #15367 of 16570
1/18/12 at 7:51pm
Hey Ken,

Did you ever answer my question about CBS 2.2 update? When will it be airing? Not sure if you did and I just missed it
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post #15368 of 16570
1/19/12 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

Hey Ken,

Did you ever answer my question about CBS 2.2 update? When will it be airing? Not sure if you did and I just missed it

i hope they start up soon just so u can stop asking every day
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post #15369 of 16570
1/19/12 at 8:56am
WNBC is down?

It's gone from my channel list
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post #15370 of 16570
1/19/12 at 9:05am
WNBC OTA coming in loud and clear!
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post #15371 of 16570
1/19/12 at 9:15am
Odd.. I don't like how this Samsung tv adds and removes my OTA channels at will. it's gone now but I guess it will be back this afternoon.
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post #15372 of 16570
1/19/12 at 9:29am
Can you manually tune-in WNBC?
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post #15373 of 16570
1/19/12 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

i hope they start up soon just so u can stop asking every day

I do not ask every day. Maybe you meant to say every 2 weeks? I guess you lost the count.

Just wait till I start asking about Bounce TV coming on 9.2
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post #15374 of 16570
1/19/12 at 12:40pm
Sorry to burst your bubble - but the 2.2 test pattern and tone are gone!!!!
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post #15375 of 16570
1/19/12 at 1:28pm
I wish WCBS-DT would simply shelve CBS+ 2.2 and look to WLNY-DT for all it's "KCAL East" desires.
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post #15376 of 16570
1/19/12 at 1:36pm
The KCAL analogy with WLNY really doesn't work.

KCAL is a Los Angeles station with a long history in that city, albeit with other
call letters and ownership.

WLNY is a suburban station with Long Island oriented news and loads of local,
Long Island commercials.

WLNY is more like KDOC out of Anaheim, Orange County, not really a local Los Angeles station.
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post #15377 of 16570
1/19/12 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by SnellKrell View Post

The KCAL analogy with WLNY really doesn't work.

KCAL is a Los Angeles station with a long history in that city, albeit with other
call letters and ownership.

WLNY is a suburban station with Long Island oriented news and loads of local,
Long Island commercials.

WLNY is more like KDOC out of Anaheim, Orange County, not really a local Los Angeles station.

WWOR is/was a NJ station and look what Fox turned it into despite it COL being Secaucus. Look what WNET has done to WLIW and the old NJN. Regardless of what the station is doing now, expect CBS to do what is most economically feasible and profitable even if it means doing the least amount of required local content.
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post #15378 of 16570
1/19/12 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by Bogney Baux View Post

WNYE-DT was last on the air about 1.5 years ago.

Really, then what am I watching now?
WNYE1 25.1 Talk Stoop
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post #15379 of 16570
1/19/12 at 1:59pm
That NJ history goes back way before FOX took over.

The station's license was moved to NJ in 1987 and owned by MCA; then in 1991 by Pinelands; 1993 it was Chris Craft; and then finally Rupert renounced his Austrailan
citiizenship and in 2000 he became an American citizen and FOX got the station -
in in NJ.
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post #15380 of 16570
1/19/12 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

WWOR is/was a NJ station and look what Fox turned it into despite it COL being Secaucus. Look what WNET has done to WLIW and the old NJN. Regardless of what the station is doing now, expect CBS to do what is most economically feasible and profitable even if it means doing the least amount of required local content.

Bad analogy. Those stations' COLs are only a few miles away from NYC. WLNY's COL is over 70 miles away.
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post #15381 of 16570
1/20/12 at 3:23am
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Originally Posted by StudioTech View Post


Bad analogy. Those stations' COLs are only a few miles away from NYC. WLNY's COL is over 70 miles away.

Distance between COL doesnt matter as much as market it serves. WLNY and WCBS both serve the NYC DMA & may have different OTA coverage but have same cable & satellite coverage in the market. like Devone said, it will be run like a KCAL east.
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post #15382 of 16570
1/20/12 at 3:31am
The distance does matter!

Different demographics, different shops, different shopping patterns, different local advertising.

It's not the "NYC DMA," it's the "NY DMA." If one were to agree with you, therefore, Bridgeport, CT would be considered the same as a station financially and demographically connected to our area.

Whether you agree or not, it's a different world!
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post #15383 of 16570
1/20/12 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by SnellKrell View Post

The distance does matter!

Different demographics, different shops, different shopping patterns, different local advertising.

It's not the "NYC DMA," it's the "NY DMA." If one were to agree with you, therefore, Bridgeport, CT would be considered the same as a station financially and demographically connected to our area.

Whether you agree or not, it's a different world!

bridgeport no, greenwich yes.
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post #15384 of 16570
1/20/12 at 5:36pm
I saw it OTA on 5.1, then it was removed.

By the time I switched to 5.2 it was gone.
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post #15385 of 16570
1/21/12 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

bridgeport no, greenwich yes.

Any news on Bounce TV on 9.2

Thanks
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post #15386 of 16570
1/21/12 at 10:04pm
I just canceled cable, and I was planning on just plugging the coax that is no longer plugged into the cable box directly into my HDTVs. They are both newer HDTVs, so I don't think I need the QAM/ATSC converter.

I've been reading a bit about this and it appears that by doing what I did, all I'm doing is delivering an analog signal from the cable coax to my TV. I get some channels (both HD and non-HD channels), but other channels don't come up (I think because of low signal strength). The channels that don't come up include CBS-HD and FOX-HD.

I'm wondering what I can do to get as many of the local channels in HD as possible. Ideally, I just want 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 21 available in HD. I guess it's an added bonus that NY1 comes up also.

Do I need to buy a digital converter box for $40? Will I have antenna issues if I do that? Thanks in advance.
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post #15387 of 16570
1/22/12 at 2:51am
Hey TrueBlue334, welcome to the AVS Forums!
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Originally Posted by TrueBlue334 View Post

I just canceled cable, and I was planning on just plugging the coax that is no longer plugged into the cable box directly into my HDTVs. They are both newer HDTVs, so I don't think I need the QAM/ATSC converter.

I've been reading a bit about this and it appears that by doing what I did, all I'm doing is delivering an analog signal from the cable coax to my TV. I get some channels (both HD and non-HD channels), but other channels don't come up (I think because of low signal strength). The channels that don't come up include CBS-HD and FOX-HD.

I'm wondering what I can do to get as many of the local channels in HD as possible. Ideally, I just want 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 21 available in HD. I guess it's an added bonus that NY1 comes up also.

Do I need to buy a digital converter box for $40? Will I have antenna issues if I do that? Thanks in advance.

Do you have a television antenna connected to the coaxial cable that once carried the pay cable TV service? Without an antenna connected to your TVs, you will get nothing unless you live one block away from the ESB

If you have an antenna connected now, there is no way you are "delivering an analog signal" because all analog broadcast TV has been discontinued in this market, except for WNYZ-LP New York on Channel 6, but that station isn't providing any visual transmissions as they are supposed to be.

And by "NY1" do you mean "NYC TV" on WNYE-TV? Because NY1 is only available over cable TV.

As to whether you need a digital converter box, that depends on your TVs. Look at the back of them and look for the term "ATSC", if it is there, you do not need the box. If you cannot look at the backs of the TVs, consult the manual or search their model numbers online and locate the manual online. Alternately you can contact the manufacturers and inquire if these TVs have a built-in ATSC tuner. If you use a converter, you will get all the free DTV signals available at your location, but they will be down-converted from an HD to an SD signal. An SD signal is not an analog signal, it is a down-converted digital signal.
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post #15388 of 16570
1/22/12 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by Giacomo Siffredi View Post

Hey TrueBlue334, welcome to the AVS Forums!

Do you have a television antenna connected to the coaxial cable that once carried the pay cable TV service? Without an antenna connected to your TVs, you will get nothing unless you live one block away from the ESB

If you have an antenna connected now, there is no way you are "delivering an analog signal" because all analog broadcast TV has been discontinued in this market, except for WNYZ-LP New York on Channel 6, but that station isn't providing any visual transmissions as they are supposed to be.

And by "NY1" do you mean "NYC TV" on WNYE-TV? Because NY1 is only available over cable TV.

As to whether you need a digital converter box, that depends on your TVs. Look at the back of them and look for the term "ATSC", if it is there, you do not need the box. If you cannot look at the backs of the TVs, consult the manual or search their model numbers online and locate the manual online. Alternately you can contact the manufacturers and inquire if these TVs have a built-in ATSC tuner. If you use a converter, you will get all the free DTV signals available at your location, but they will be down-converted from an HD to an SD signal. An SD signal is not an analog signal, it is a down-converted digital signal.

Actually Giacomo, what Trueblue is talking about is it seems is plugging in the coax from the cable outlet on the wall to the back of his HDTV since NY1 is mentioned.

Trueblue, you realize since you canceled your cable tv service...trying to get channels through said service is illegal and you could be fined and jailed for it...even with it being as simple as what you're suggesting. Better off using a pair of rabbit ears.
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post #15389 of 16570
1/22/12 at 12:41pm
Hi all!

I haven't posted in a while, and I haven't been watching TV much, either.

Anyway, I was tuning into ION TV (OTA, btw), and suddenly, I'm seeing all these sub-channels that I never seen before.

The extra channels are: 31.100, 31.200, 31.201, 31.202, 31.203, 31.204, 31.300, and 31.400.

The funny thing is, my tv's tuner (I have an old 2003 vintage Mits 55inch RPCRT with an intergrated DTV tuner) is picking these channels up, but there's nothing playing on them, with the exception of 31.300 and 31.400 which shows the same thing on channel 31.01, for now.

So, what are these "phantom channels", if anyone has any ideas?


Danny
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post #15390 of 16570
1/22/12 at 1:04pm
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