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post #15601 of 17109
Of the 4 (OR WAS IT 5?) OTA "lost" channels, Tuff TV, RTV, drive in tv, & Hot TV channel, the latter (which is back) is the WORSE of the 4!!! I don't even bother to watch it much except the cartoons. I miss the classic car shows, Starsky & Hutch, 70's the comedy shop, etc. on the other channels.
WILL ANY OF THEM EVER COME BACK TO NORTHERN NJ?
I can ONLY pick up Hot tv channel with the magnavox dig to anal converter & with the Big Lots $10 rabbit ears with adjustable signal dial.
I can NOT pick up hot tv with my Zinwell converter or any other antenna - including roof antennas. & I am only 12 miles from NYC. Go figure. lol
Thank goodness for the THIS network & antenna tv.
& with 100% signal strength & 100% signal quality, I still get macroblocking
all of a sudden say every 10 minutes for a few seconds & then goes away.
My dad says reception was a lot more consistent in 1949 lmao.
BRING BACK ANALOG.
I am going to keep my 32" TUBE toshiba tv. I still use VCR to record.
& all the programs (& movies too) are in the old aspect ratio ON ANT TV & THIS NETWORK.
ANY PLANS FOR MOVIES TO GO TO LETTERBOX ON THESE CHANNELS?
CAN THE BLACK BANDS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PICTURE USING A MORE RECTANGULAR MODERN SET CAUSE BURN IN ON LED, LCD OR PLASMA SETS?
I intend to keep my tube set till it breaks, or the classic tv channels go under, whichever comes 1st.
INTERESTING QUESTION - IF I GET A NEW FLAT TV WITH DIGITAL TUNER, OBVIOUSLY I CAN NOT RECORD FROM THIS TV'S TUNER WITH MY VCR, BUT IF I USE MY DIGITAL TO ANALOG CONVERTER & RECORD, CAN I PLAY BACK AN ANALOG SIGNAL ON THESE NEW TV'S? I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP.

I AM cheap. lol
post #15602 of 17109
On my TV I have 100% signal strength on channel 50 but it says "audio only" on my TV and I hear the audio perfectly - just no picture. Anybody know what is going on? I see comments below indicating that others are having problems with this channel as well.
post #15603 of 17109
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Originally Posted by jpru34 View Post

On my TV I have 100% signal strength on channel 50 but it says "audio only" on my TV and I hear the audio perfectly - just no picture. Anybody know what is going on? I see comments below indicating that others are having problems with this channel as well.

Interesting that you can pick up the audio. With my home theater PC, captured streams from this channel simply don't decode, whether for live viewing or for DVR functions. But they will capture into a file.

I have some file analysis tools that I'll try to use against a new stream capture. Will report back later.
post #15604 of 17109
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpru34 View Post

On my TV I have 100% signal strength on channel 50 but it says "audio only" on my TV and I hear the audio perfectly - just no picture. Anybody know what is going on? I see comments below indicating that others are having problems with this channel as well.

Here's a thought.

Channel 50.1 is WNJN-DT, but the station has a sub-channel - 50.3 which is
NJ Audiovision, an audio only channel.

Could it be that you're tuning into 50.3 instead of 50.1?
post #15605 of 17109
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Originally Posted by ME! View Post

I have some file analysis tools that I'll try to use against a new stream capture. Will report back later.

So much for that.

A typical 1/2 hour program is usually a few gigabytes in size. I just tried a fresh capture, and it came out to only a few megabytes.

One of the captured-file analysis tools that I have - a freeware program called MPEG2Repair - can usually show me the error rates and error types in captured files. But it can't even identify a program ID in the stream.

In other words, I can't add anything more to this diagnostic effort.
post #15606 of 17109
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Originally Posted by RichNorthNJ View Post

INTERESTING QUESTION - IF I GET A NEW FLAT TV WITH DIGITAL TUNER, OBVIOUSLY I CAN NOT RECORD FROM THIS TV'S TUNER WITH MY VCR, BUT IF I USE MY DIGITAL TO ANALOG CONVERTER & RECORD, CAN I PLAY BACK AN ANALOG SIGNAL ON THESE NEW TV'S? I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP.
I AM cheap. lol

Yes, you certainly can connect a VCR's yellow composite video out to a corresponding video input on a modern TV. Also, the same with the red and white audio connections. Do be aware that the picture will not look as good on a HDTV as your old tube set. I would keep that old 32 inch tube as long as you are intersted in older shows and sub-channels with the use of a VCR.
post #15607 of 17109
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Originally Posted by SnellKrell View Post

Here's a thought.

Channel 50.1 is WNJN-DT, but the station has a sub-channel - 50.3 which is
NJ Audiovision, an audio only channel.

Could it be that you're tuning into 50.3 instead of 50.1?

50.1 now has no audio or picture. This is with 100% signal sterngth. Obviously something going on there.
post #15608 of 17109
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Originally Posted by jpru34 View Post

50.1 now has no audio or picture. This is with 100% signal sterngth. Obviously something going on there.

there also is now 51.1 showing NJTV
post #15609 of 17109
Could it be a PSIP error effecting some TVs and Tuners?
I did a channel search on my Insignia TV Saturday and NJTV-HD showed up on 51.1 with no PSIP ID and NJTV-AV showed up on 50.1 with a PSIP ID of NJTV.
On the Samsung TV the locations are still correct on 50.1 NJTV-HD and 50.3 NJTV-AV after doing a rescan.

I've noticed something similar with WNYE. My Insignia TV correctly maps the channels to their PSIP locations of 25.1 and 25.2.
The Samsung TV does not receive the PSIP information has them on 24.3 and 24.4.
post #15610 of 17109
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Originally Posted by icemannyr View Post

Could it be a PSIP error effecting some TVs and Tuners?

It apparently wasn't "some TVs and Tuners." It was widespread. Some time before midnight last night, the problem was resolved.
post #15611 of 17109
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Originally Posted by rothe View Post

It apparently wasn't "some TVs and Tuners." It was widespread. Some time before midnight last night, the problem was resolved.

Yesterday early afternoon I was at my mom's house trying to do a rescan on her TV to pick up the new subs for her and I could not get the 2 NJ PBS she usually receives 50.1 and 58.1. Not only that but her RCA converter box was actually freezing up during the scan for new channelsI tried about 30 scans and they all froze at the same spot.

When I went home I also found that the NJ PBS stations were gone. They were back at night.

Today I will go back to moms and try the scan again.
post #15612 of 17109
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Originally Posted by Giacomo Siffredi View Post

Hey AloEuro,

Thanks for the reception report! Glad to hear WXNY-LD is back on the air and with multiple program streams. I notice signal activity on WNYX-LD channel 35, but unfortunately have always been unable to decode the former "Island LDs" Can you please check to see if channel 35 is on the air with the same CCTV programming?

WRNN-TV Kingston Update: WRNN-TV has added a new subchannel on 48-5. NHK World TV has recently joined the WRNN-TV broadcast lineup. NHK World is the international broadcasting service of NHK (Nippon Hōsō Kyōkai - Japan Broadcasting Corporation), Japan's public broadcaster. NHK WORLD TV provides NHK's news and information programs in English.

As with each of its streams, the PSIP TVCT IDs with the call letters as WRNN-D5. It is SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. No program guide
information is available for any WRNN-TV channel.

Ch. 35 - 1,2,3 are identical to 32 -1,2,3 the 32ch. has stronger signal, the 35ch. is so bad I had to edit it out.
Correction -32-3 CCTV Sp apparently means Espanol, on 32-3 I have seen Chinese movie/serial with Spanish subtitles
post #15613 of 17109
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Originally Posted by RichNorthNJ View Post

I am going to keep my 32" TUBE toshiba tv. I still use VCR to record.
& I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP

. Many people don't realize that for record keeping -not PQ- VCR tapes are superior to computer generated DVD copies, the fact that VHS tapes are rolled,100's rolls make the electromagnetic print preserved as compared to flat open DVD disk
post #15614 of 17109
last time i checked, 9-3 was still wwor
post #15615 of 17109
Quote:
Originally Posted by icemannyr View Post

Could it be a PSIP error effecting some TVs and Tuners?
I did a channel search on my Insignia TV Saturday and NJTV-HD showed up on 51.1 with no PSIP ID and NJTV-AV showed up on 50.1 with a PSIP ID of NJTV.
On the Samsung TV the locations are still correct on 50.1 NJTV-HD and 50.3 NJTV-AV after doing a rescan.

I've noticed something similar with WNYE. My Insignia TV correctly maps the channels to their PSIP locations of 25.1 and 25.2.
The Samsung TV does not receive the PSIP information has them on 24.3 and 24.4.

Your speculation about a PSIP error was correct.

Yesterday morning, I sent a message to the Director of Engineering at WNET/NJTV/WLIW. He replied a little while ago:

Quote:


Thank you for your email yesterday describing the problem you were
seeing with Channel 50 out of Montclair. We were experiencing issues
with the PSIP generation which resulted in some tuners not able to
receive and decode the signal properly. We were able to get this
resolved later in the afternoon at about 4:00 pm. Please let me know if
your problem has been resolved as I believe it has been. I would also be
interested in knowing which receiver or television set you were using.

Nice of him to reply. I'm just glad it's fixed.
post #15616 of 17109
What is going on with WWOR? Earlier today I was able to see WWOR-3 and now it's gone. It doesn't even appear on some of my sets, as though they've stopped broadcasting an HD-3 signal.(this on a variety of ADSC tuners) On top of that, WWOR-1 doesn't exist. All I receive is a blank screen. I get WWOR-2 and as said untill this evening WWOR-3 was solid. Obviously there are problems because they are the only full power NY signal I'm having trouble with. Channel 50 has also disappeared, but wher they had a great signal in analog, they've never had a goood digital signal here, which is about 20 miles at most from their tower.
post #15617 of 17109
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichNorthNJ View Post

Of the 4 (OR WAS IT 5?) OTA "lost" channels, Tuff TV, RTV, drive in tv, & Hot TV channel, the latter (which is back) is the WORSE of the 4!!! I don't even bother to watch it much except the cartoons. I miss the classic car shows, Starsky & Hutch, 70's the comedy shop, etc. on the other channels.
WILL ANY OF THEM EVER COME BACK TO NORTHERN NJ?
I can ONLY pick up Hot tv channel with the magnavox dig to anal converter & with the Big Lots $10 rabbit ears with adjustable signal dial.
I can NOT pick up hot tv with my Zinwell converter or any other antenna - including roof antennas. & I am only 12 miles from NYC. Go figure. lol
Thank goodness for the THIS network & antenna tv.
& with 100% signal strength & 100% signal quality, I still get macroblocking
all of a sudden say every 10 minutes for a few seconds & then goes away.
My dad says reception was a lot more consistent in 1949 lmao.
BRING BACK ANALOG.
I am going to keep my 32" TUBE toshiba tv. I still use VCR to record.
& all the programs (& movies too) are in the old aspect ratio ON ANT TV & THIS NETWORK.
ANY PLANS FOR MOVIES TO GO TO LETTERBOX ON THESE CHANNELS?
CAN THE BLACK BANDS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PICTURE USING A MORE RECTANGULAR MODERN SET CAUSE BURN IN ON LED, LCD OR PLASMA SETS?
I intend to keep my tube set till it breaks, or the classic tv channels go under, whichever comes 1st.
INTERESTING QUESTION - IF I GET A NEW FLAT TV WITH DIGITAL TUNER, OBVIOUSLY I CAN NOT RECORD FROM THIS TV'S TUNER WITH MY VCR, BUT IF I USE MY DIGITAL TO ANALOG CONVERTER & RECORD, CAN I PLAY BACK AN ANALOG SIGNAL ON THESE NEW TV'S? I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP.

I AM cheap. lol

Providing that your new TV has a composite video input (and analog audio in), yes...you can output your VCR to the TV. But be careful because not all new TVs have these analog inputs anymore - both TVs and receivers are starting to dump legacy connections. Few new components have s-video anymore, for example. My 2011 Sony TV has an accessory dongle (that was included with the set) that plugs into an accessory port and includes a composite and a component input.

But after you live with HDTV for a bit, you won't want to. Because even though you're living with SD today, it's going to really look like crap in comparison and you won't want to watch it.

As for reception, I'm in Queens without line of site to the Empire State Building living in a six-story building. I never thought our roof antenna would pick up HDTV signals, but I get perfect reception on every OTA channel. We're not far from the ESB (only about 7 miles), but as I said, no line of site.

And yes, reception might have been more consistent in 1949, but it was consistently bad. And there were far fewer tall buildings to bounce signals off of and get ghost images. The fact is that fewer than 15% of the population today gets their signal today OTA and the Government wants that bandwidth back and it's going to be making offers to OTA stations to buy it back so it can be used for cell phone bandwidth. I don't think the big stations in NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, etc., will sell back their bandwidth, but a whole slew of smaller stations will take the money and run.
post #15618 of 17109
Quote:
Originally Posted by R.F. Burns View Post

What is going on with WWOR? Earlier today I was able to see WWOR-3 and now it's gone. It doesn't even appear on some of my sets, as though they've stopped broadcasting an HD-3 signal.(this on a variety of ADSC tuners) On top of that, WWOR-1 doesn't exist. All I receive is a blank screen. I get WWOR-2 and as said untill this evening WWOR-3 was solid. Obviously there are problems because they are the only full power NY signal I'm having trouble with. Channel 50 has also disappeared, but wher they had a great signal in analog, they've never had a goood digital signal here, which is about 20 miles at most from their tower.

Earlier Monday I noticed the same thing that all I could tune in was 9.2.
Did a rescan and 9.1, 9.2 and 9.3 were there.
post #15619 of 17109
First, I meant to type ATSC tuner, so sorry for the mistake. I did a rescan and 9-3 actually disappeared from my available channels list. It appears that WWOR is not broadcasting an OTA HD signal. Looking at their webpage shows that there is no contact info.
post #15620 of 17109
Just checked and this is what I'm receiving OTA:

9.1 - 720p

9.2 - 480i

9.3 - Bounce - 480i
post #15621 of 17109
currently wwor and wnyw are no longer simulcasting each other in sd on x.2

wnyw hd is 5.1
wnyw sd is 5.2 (use to be wwor sd)

wwor hd is 9.1
wwor sd is 9.2 (use to be wnyw sd)
bounce is 9.3
post #15622 of 17109
CBS programming for their new sub 2.2 is doomed to failure. I tuned in late Sunday night to get a sports update and what I got was a review of the daytime sports schedule of games that already played many hours earlier and for which they should have been giving scores. This is very poor programming and something you would expect from a low budget college facility.

Quite frankly I was looking forward to the format expecting I could drop in on the station periodically and get an update on the weather, sports and news and not have to wait for the 6, 10 or 11 PM news. Considering that CBS has the resources of WINS 1010, CBS 880, and CBS NY TV it is hard to understand how they can run such stale news, weather and sports programming.

By the way this note is being sent to CBS too but will probably go in a black hole like the rest of my notes to them.
post #15623 of 17109
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

currently wwor and wnyw are no longer simulcasting each other in sd on x.2

wnyw hd is 5.1
wnyw sd is 5.2 (use to be wwor sd)

wwor hd is 9.1
wwor sd is 9.2 (use to be wnyw sd)
bounce is 9.3

Thanks for the update! I just happen to be at my moms over the weekend and did a scan of stations and all kinds of issues cropped up with her RCA Converter BOX. I thought it was the box as it froze up after scanning 61% of the frequencies. Sunday I worked on it again and when it froze at 61% I pulled the anntenna feed in and it started scanning again and I put the feed back in right away to pick up stations beyond the 61%. When it was done scanning there were no 5.1 and 9.2 channels. I thought I lost them but now feel better after reading your note. However something caused the RCA box to freeze on us. The work around I tried at least got her all of her stations back except for 1 as far as I can tell. Even NJN 50.1. NJ 58.1 is not there now for some reason.

I'll try again this week to see if the RCA box is dying or if there was some OTA feed that was causing it to freeeze up over the weekend that has now been fixed.
post #15624 of 17109
Quote:
Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

currently wwor and wnyw are no longer simulcasting each other in sd on x.2

wnyw hd is 5.1
wnyw sd is 5.2 (use to be wwor sd)

wwor hd is 9.1
wwor sd is 9.2 (use to be wnyw sd)
bounce is 9.3

Checking this on 2-28-12 at 4:30PM: This is false. There has been no change. The simulcasting continues in the same manner as it has been.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Thanks for the update! I just happen to be at my moms over the weekend and did a scan of stations and all kinds of issues cropped up with her RCA Converter BOX. I thought it was the box as it froze up after scanning 61% of the frequencies. Sunday I worked on it again and when it froze at 61% I pulled the anntenna feed in and it started scanning again and I put the feed back in right away to pick up stations beyond the 61%. When it was done scanning there were no 5.1 and 9.2 channels. I thought I lost them but now feel better after reading your note. However something caused the RCA box to freeze on us. The work around I tried at least got her all of her stations back except for 1 as far as I can tell. Even NJN 50.1. NJ 58.1 is not there now for some reason.

I'll try again this week to see if the RCA box is dying or if there was some OTA feed that was causing it to freeeze up over the weekend that has now been fixed.

Len, it is possible that at the time of your scan, RF 44 was off-air for some reason. As to the NJTV situation, rothe has reported that an NJTV engineer confirmed a PSIP generation error.

It is also worth noting that the recent changing weather pattern could have interrupted typical reception patterns. On Sunday night up until shortly after 8AM Monday morning, I had near uninterrupted reception of WDVB-LD, WTBY-TV and WRNN-TV. These visitors drop in on me from time to time, but rarely stick around long enough to make themselves comfortable. But Sunday night they were coming in pretty strong, about 75% at least. Once the weather pattern changed on Monday, not only did I lose them, I also briefly lost WEBR-CD and WKOB-LD, though I suspect the latter was also due to errant impulse noise.

WDVB-LD Edison Update: While there has been no change to the lineup on this low-power channel 23 operation, it is worth noting that 23-4 MATV is now an SMPTE test pattern under which you can barely hear the audio from 23-3 SAB TV. I suspect the test pattern is due to an issue with the transmission of Midlands Asian Television (MATV) to WDVB-LD, though I cannot determine whether this issue is caused by MATV or WDVB-LD. The good news is that the audio issues on 23-3 which prevented monaural receivers from adequately reproducing the sound have apparently been resolved.
post #15625 of 17109
Anyone seen Trip in VA?

If he sees this. I was wondering if he knew what other Sub-channels or Sub-changes we could expect this year 2012.

Now that CBS 2.2 and 9.3 Bounce Tv are up and running.

Can we expect anything else?

For example will NBC fill the void on 4.4?

Thanks Trip
post #15626 of 17109
Quote:
Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

Can we expect anything else?

KIN TV is signed with Fox whenever they get that up and running.

Quote:


For example will NBC fill the void on 4.4?

No.

- Trip
post #15627 of 17109
Giacomo,

Yes all is back to normal. I saw that later.... after I posted and did a scan at my house. Whatever happened it was strange.
post #15628 of 17109
I found that when I moved my antenna a little to the west, WWOR 1, 2 & 3 returned. Considering the fact that all other NY stations have very strong signals and channel 9 used to be very strong as well (it's now only 2 bars-whatever that really means, where most NY stations are 5 bars). It's very odd because until a day or so ago I was able to receive WWOR 2 & 3 with no problem with the antenna in my attic. The antenna boom length is a little over 6 feet, so it's not a small TV antenna.
post #15629 of 17109
Giacomo,

What antenna are you using to be able to receive wtby, wkob, wrnn and webr at times? And can you receive wsah, wliw and wlny (RF 47 or 45)? And does anyone in this forum know of a good indoor antenna to get that might receive these channels transmitting from the ESB that Giacomo speaks of. I'm about 5miles west of the ESB and I have no issues receiving all the other major networks using a bow-tie or rabbit ears indoor antenna.
post #15630 of 17109
ch.CBS 2 -2 has amateur format for small screen TV, ch.ABC 7-3 had much better format
2-2 uses 5 to 7days horizontally the present day and next day are not seen and only the following days are shown on weather report, idiots.
ch.ABC 7 - 3 used to have vertical format, easy to see and to discern.
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