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post #16501 of 17117
Oh boy! they're harming the elderly again! wink.gif this does suck if it happens, but before the uninformed comments start, there is one thing to note: There is nothing in the law that says we have to be provided free TV.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/9/4207516/cbs-ceo-threatens-dropping-broadcast-tv-in-response-to-aereo
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CBS CEO the latest to threaten dropping broadcast TV in response to Aereo

CBS CEO Les Moonves is the latest TV exec to publicly entertain the idea of halting free broadcast TV if streaming provider Aereo is allowed to continue its service. Responding to a question about News Corp. COO Chase Carey’s threats to make Fox cable-only, Moonves told The New York Times that he "wholeheartedly supported what Chase said." He explained that CBS was in preliminary talks with cable operators in the New York - Connecticut area (currently the only area in which Aereo operates) about what the switch would take, emphasizing his reluctance to take such a drastic approach. "Frankly, we don’t think it will get to that point," he explained.

BROADCASTERS HAVE BEEN UPPING THE RHETORIC SINCE AEREO'S LEGAL VICTORY

Aereo’s business, which lets subscribers pay for an individual physical antenna that captures broadcast TV signals for streaming over the internet, stands to upend the TV industry, and broadcasters have been upping the rhetoric since Aereo’s legal victory earlier this month. An appeals court ruled that Aereo’s system doesn’t infringe on broadcasters’ copyrights, prompting Fox’s Carey and Univisiion chairman Haim Saiban to threaten taking their networks off the airwaves. While the option would be a logistical and legal nightmare for networks, chances are good we’ll see similar tough talk from the TV industry in the weeks and months ahead.
post #16502 of 17117
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

Oh boy! they're harming the elderly again! wink.gif this does suck if it happens, but before the uninformed comments start, there is one thing to note: There is nothing in the law that says we have to be provided free TV.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/9/4207516/cbs-ceo-threatens-dropping-broadcast-tv-in-response-to-aereo

I do not understand exactly what Aereo is doing. They are selling antennas that allow you to capture a broadcast signal from whom? Aereo or the broadcast network? If the broadcast signal is from Aereo and Aereo is rebroadcasting the network content then that seems like infringement? confused.gif Can someone please help me understand what is actually going on here.
post #16503 of 17117
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Originally Posted by ALP View Post

I do not understand exactly what Aereo is doing. They are selling antennas that allow you to capture a broadcast signal from whom? Aereo or the broadcast network? If the broadcast signal is from Aereo and Aereo is rebroadcasting the network content then that seems like infringement? confused.gif Can someone please help me understand what is actually going on here.

Aereo has thousands of mini Antennas the size of a quarter in Brooklyn pointing at ESB capturing OTA and streaming to its subscribers via the internet to phones, tablets, computers and Roku. As a Subscriber with your monthly or yearly payment, you "rent" one of these tiny antennas to watch and record TV.

The broadcasters are not happy because they are not getting paid by Aereo in order for them to transmit their signals over the internet. Although OTA is free, cable companies pay the networks lots of money in order to offer those channels on their service. So they say that Aereo is making money without paying the broadcasters.

The broadcasters sued Aereo but lost twice in court. Aereo is legal as defined by the courts rulings saying that since you rent an antenna from them, and you are the only one that uses that specific antenna, its no different than you buying your own and putting it in your house. So now the broadcasters have 3 options in order to get their way:

1: go to the supreme court (their only legal option) to stop Aereo in order for them to overturn the prior rullings, thats if the supreme court chooses to take up the case. if they dont, they are done.

2: Go to Congress and heavily lobby them with tons and tons of money to change the laws.

or

3: Stop broadcasting for free over the air.

What worries them the most is that now cable companies can do the same thing as Aereo in order to bypass the fees they have to pay the broadcasters or pay Aereo a smaller fee for the same content. thats why they are threatening to pull out of OTA and make it a pay channel.
Edited by Aero 1 - 4/10/13 at 9:30am
post #16504 of 17117
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

Aereo has thousands of mini Antennas the size of a quarter in Brooklyn pointing at ESB capturing OTA and streaming to its subscribers via the internet to phones, tablets, computers and Roku. As a Subscriber with your monthly or yearly payment, you "rent" one of these tiny antennas to watch and record TV.

The broadcasters are not happy because they are not getting paid by Aereo in order for them to transmit their signals over the internet. Although OTA is free, cable companies pay the networks lots of money in order to offer those channels on their service. So they say that Aereo is making money without paying the broadcasters.

The broadcasters sued Aereo but lost twice in court. Aereo is legal as defined by the courts rulings saying that since you rent an antenna from them, and you are the only one that uses that specific antenna, its no different than you buying your own and putting it in your house. So now the broadcasters have 3 options in order to get their way:

1: go to the supreme court (their only legal option) to stop Aereo in order for them to overturn the prior rullings, thats if the supreme court chooses to take up the case. if they dont, they are done.

2: Go to Congress and heavily lobby them with tons and tons of money to change the laws.

or

3: Stop broadcasting for free over the air.

What worries them the most is that now cable companies can do the same thing as Aereo in order to bypass the fees they have to pay the broadcasters or pay Aereo a smaller fee for the same content. thats why they are threatening to pull out of OTA and make it a pay channel.

So Aereo is basically a parasite that runs the risk of killing the host that it is feeding on. If all of the broadcast networks drop OTA broadcast. no one will "rent' an antenna from Aereo if the is no content being broadcast.

I would think that the networks have enough pull to get Congress to act on their behalf.

Also Aereo's mini antennas are not going to work very far from the broadcast source (I am about 30 to 35 miles from the ESB and my antenna is much much bigger than a quarter) so it seems municipalities that are close to broadcast towers could pass an ordnance that would not permit antenna farms.

Finally why can't the networks simply put their content on the internet either for free (that would end Aereo's business) or for a minimal subscriber fee that would be lower than what Aereo charges.
post #16505 of 17117
Due to the yankees game on yes last night my9 carried the nets game. Both teams won
post #16506 of 17117
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

Due to the yankees game on yes last night my9 carried the nets game. Both teams won

It was broadcast at 720P and the picture was very good. I caught the last quarter even though I hate Pro Hoops.
post #16507 of 17117
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Originally Posted by ALP View Post

So Aereo is basically a parasite that runs the risk of killing the host that it is feeding on. If all of the broadcast networks drop OTA broadcast. no one will "rent' an antenna from Aereo if the is no content being broadcast.

I would think that the networks have enough pull to get Congress to act on their behalf.

Also Aereo's mini antennas are not going to work very far from the broadcast source (I am about 30 to 35 miles from the ESB and my antenna is much much bigger than a quarter) so it seems municipalities that are close to broadcast towers could pass an ordnance that would not permit antenna farms.

Finally why can't the networks simply put their content on the internet either for free (that would end Aereo's business) or for a minimal subscriber fee that would be lower than what Aereo charges.

Aero charges $80 per year for NYC OTA, and you get 40 hours of DVR storage with that, too. You can subscribe if you live anywhere in the NY DMA, and that means even up in Sullivan County, in the Catskills.... whre you'd be hard pressed to get anything with an antenna, and where you will need DBS satellite if your road isn't wired for cable television.

There has been precedence in this case, in that Cablevision won the "DVR in the cloud" arguement some time ago.

What Aereo does, in a nutshell, is rents you a Tivo that records only OTA, and provides you access to that Tivo via the internet.

The subscriber will need to have the broadband connection to make this really work, and therein lay the rub... I think it's safe to say that most people who have broadband at home also have some type of TV / phone package, and are already paying for these Broadcast channels in some form. Many of these shows are available next day on the network web-sites. And what is great for a few will become a burden on infrastructure when half the town is trying to stream the SuperBowl. I am sure those who would use wireless would also put a BIG drain on the network they attach to. Wireless and broadband carriers may start charging by the MB for data now.

I am certain there are agreements in place for a cable system's franchise that will prevent them from circumventing re-transmission fees. In addition, I don't think any of them have the bandwidth at this time to supply this content at this time.

The Networks are upset about this because they can't have their cake and eat it, too. Every time there is a carriage dispute between a carrier and multimedia consortium, they always say, "Our channels are available free over the air with an antenna..." Well, what are they going to be able to say now? They are afraid the genie is out of the bottle.

I don't see Aereo changing the way many view their television. If you live in the sticks, and are lucky to be capable of subscribing to broadband, this might be an option over the $15-$20 per month you'd pay for the broadcast basic channels...

Now back to my reason for visiting....

Cheers!
-Doug
post #16508 of 17117
Surprising Results from Roof Antenna.

Installed a roof antenna for my folks. Winegard HD7010 VHF/UHF. They were upset after Sandy when they power came back and they could not watch TV because CV had not come back.

House is on Long Island, 16 miles east of ESB, looking right at it. Antenna is mounted above the chimney.

Results are surprising...

For the VHF stations (7, 11, 13)... Rock star 100%.

For Fox5 (RF 44) and My9 (RF 38), 100%

For CBS2 and NBC4, I get mid 50's to mid 60's.

21 is in the opposite direction, and that comes in in the 70's.

I can pick up a lot of the other UHF indies (WASA, WMBC, WBQM) at signals above 55%, ... but NOT ion 31 (WPXN), which seemed shocking... Nothing.. Zilch.


Has anyone else noticed wiered behavior? Most of these are coming from the same direction, so I figured that if I got one, I'd get then all (and at 100%).

Cheers!
-Doug
post #16509 of 17117
25-1 NYLife 720x480i 30 Hz D.Stereo
25-2 NYGov. '' ''' '''
25-3 NYCUNY 1280x720p 60Hz ''
25-4 NYDrive blank, no broadcast yet, currently off the air
The good signal is 100%, bad signal goes from 100% down to 0, pixelation, up and down
Edited by AloEuro - 4/15/13 at 8:11am
post #16510 of 17117
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

. . . Anyway, today's results must either be due to tropo or some changes in 1 WTC. I moved the antenna to my #2 position (my MY9 position) and got pretty lousy reception of all channels and no reception of MY9 at all.. . I moved the antenna to the original (#1) position and have very good MY9 reception.

I'm watching the Yankee game tonight and I once again have very good MY9 reception at the #1 position. As I recall last year's experience, I also had good reception at this location in April, then lost it in May (when the trees had leafed out). I thought it was the trees close in to the antenna but I cut them out of the way and there was no difference. But there are trees off in the distance that could be effecting reception, so maybe I'll lose reception at this antenna location again next month. So maybe it wasn't 1 WTC that caused last year's problem. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

Another good site to check on the 1 WTC progress is:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=2191

Thanks much. I'll check it out.

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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

New Channel Coming in May, FOX Movies! (Channel 5.3)

got this tip from another thread here:

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/491563-Fox_O_Os_Weigel_Launch_Movies_Digi_Net.php?rssid=20099
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movies!

As some readers may recall, I watch Philly TV because of the good reception at my particular location. Thus I watch Fox ch 29 (WTXF). There is no subchannel, so I guess they'll be adding one if Philadelphia is indeed on the menu.

I hope the PQ is better than that on ch 17.3 (This TV).
post #16511 of 17117
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Originally Posted by AloEuro View Post

25-1 NYLife 720x480i 30 Hz D.Stereo
25-2 NYGov. '' ''' '''
25-3 NYCUNY 1280x780p 60Hz ''
25-4 NYDrive blank, no broadcast yet
The good signal is 100%, bad signal goes from 100% down to 0, pixelation

Thank you, AloEuro, for reporting this! I also found this out last night while channel surfing smile.gif However, I did not observe the presence of 25-4. And I was expecting to see it considering that the New York City Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications announced last year that the WNYE-TV signal would soon accommodate all four streams. Perhaps it had not yet been activated, was temporarily off, or engineers were at work. Regardless, I'm glad the folks at NYC Media Group finally got around to doing it rolleyes.gif

Prior to this change, WNYE-TV had two subchannels, WNYE1 transmitting main programming and WNYE2 which transmitted "NYC Gov" programming. Both channels had a static 720x480i 4:3 aspect ratio.

It should be noted that the aspect ratio on 25-1, now known as NYLIFE, is now dynamic, as is the aspect ratio on newcomer 25-3. However, the 25-1 stream is stretch-o-vision with cruddy PQ. Alternately, 25-3, now known as CUNY, appears normal and at HD quality. 25-2 is exactly as it always was, with static 720x480i 4:3 aspect ratio, except with a new PSIP name, NYGOV. I presume 25-4, once active, will be broadcasting similarly in aspect-ratio and PQ to 25-2.

Apparently, NYC Media Group is not offering their entire channel suite over WNYE-TV at this time; NYC World apparently isn't being offered as a subchannel yet.
post #16512 of 17117
The 25-4 is currently off the air, I think it was on the air time past showing service to car drivers how busy the highways are ,the NYC roads to tunnels and from tunnels, GWB and other bridges traffic, alo showing intersections in NYC which I liked, it showed me what kind of weather was outside on streets, people carrying umbrella, wearing heavy or light clothing, giving me idea what to wear and to carry, this was as good channel as 2-2 weather,etc.
Edited by AloEuro - 4/19/13 at 7:42am
post #16513 of 17117
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Originally Posted by dstoffa View Post

Surprising Results from Roof Antenna.

Installed a roof antenna for my folks. Winegard HD7010 VHF/UHF. They were upset after Sandy when they power came back and they could not watch TV because CV had not come back.

House is on Long Island, 16 miles east of ESB, looking right at it. Antenna is mounted above the chimney.

Results are surprising...

For CBS2 and NBC4, I get mid 50's to mid 60's.

21 is in the opposite direction, and that comes in in the 70's.

I can pick up a lot of the other UHF indies (WASA, WMBC, WBQM) at signals above 55%, ... but NOT ion 31 (WPXN), which seemed shocking... Nothing.. Zilch.


Has anyone else noticed wiered behavior? Most of these are coming from the same direction, so I figured that if I got one, I'd get then all (and at 100%).

Cheers!
-Doug

With WPXN on 31, you MAY be also picking up Fox CT 61 which broadcasts on 31 out of the Hartford area.
Same also with WCBS. You MAY also be picking signal from CBS WFSB 3 which broadcasts on rf 33 out of the Hartford area.
As for WNBC, that is really weird. Low signal may be due to the antenna broadcast pattern they are using. I am 62 miles NE of ESB and WNBC is one of my top five strongest signals (usually in the 80's).
post #16514 of 17117
Out of all the broadcast networks audio which one is the best?
post #16515 of 17117
"Best" will be a difficult thing to nail down in forum responses - it's too subjective - but I've heard some pretty impressive stuff coming over the PBS music programs like "Live at the Artists Den" and "Austin City Limits."
post #16516 of 17117
At long last ch.11 wPIX become stabilized, now I can watch it even in prime time with sufficient signal strength
post #16517 of 17117
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

Out of all the broadcast networks audio which one is the best?

Subjective and impossible to compare anyway since each program contains audio that is variably sourced - you would need every channel broadcasting identical source material to even attempt this judgement (maybe a presidential press conference, but I imagine even those could have different mic feeds).

Besides, I have a fairly high end audio system and it all sounds pretty good to me, i.e., no obvious compression artifacts (I listen via optical out to a good quality external DAC). I don't see why one would be concerned with such a question. Perhaps the better question is - do the networks apply different levels of data compression (or any compression) to their audio? Since video takes up most of the bandwidth, is there even any concern over how much bandwidth the audio consumes?
post #16518 of 17117
Seems that the coverage of the boston manhunt is huge. Which channel has the best coverage? I think abc did a good job covering the event.
post #16519 of 17117
I live less than 9 miles away from the Empire State Building, and even with the antennas such as Winegard FL-5550A and Winegard SS-3000, I always get video/audio drops and pixelation issues when watching channels. Changing the position of the antennas doesn't make a difference for me; I still get the same issues. I am really frustrated! I tested the antennas with both my TV and my hd homerun tuner.
Why am I having these issues if I live so close to the place where the transmitters of the broadcasting stations are? Please tell me.
post #16520 of 17117
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Originally Posted by OlegL View Post

I live less than 9 miles away from the Empire State Building, and even with the antennas such as Winegard FL-5550A and Winegard SS-3000, I always get video/audio drops and pixelation issues when watching channels. Changing the position of the antennas doesn't make a difference for me; I still get the same issues. I am really frustrated! I tested the antennas with both my TV and my hd homerun tuner.
Why am I having these issues if I live so close to the place where the transmitters of the broadcasting stations are? Please tell me.

I am no expert, but the experience you are seeing can probably be attributed to reflected signals. Signals bouncing off other buildings / structures can arrive milliseconds after the main signal and confuse your digital tuner.

In the analog days you wouldn't see it. But now with all or nothing digital... they show up from time to time.

Cheers!
-Doug
post #16521 of 17117
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Originally Posted by dstoffa View Post

I am no expert, but the experience you are seeing can probably be attributed to reflected signals. Signals bouncing off other buildings / structures can arrive milliseconds after the main signal and confuse your digital tuner.

In the analog days you wouldn't see it. But now with all or nothing digital... they show up from time to time.

Cheers!
-Doug
Yes, this is a good suggestion. There is a lot of motion going on above the city besides at street level and those moving objects could be bouncing out-of-phase signals into your receiving antenna system causing occasional reception blackouts. (Bounces off static reflectors cause the same effect, except full-time not occasional.) Too bad you can't find a sweet antenna spot that only allows direct reception and nothing from left, right, above, below, or behind (sort of like optical binoculars).
post #16522 of 17117
Fyi the knicks begin their playoff quest on abc 7 in 20 minutes against Boston. My9 will have nets playoff coverage on days when the yankees are on yes and vice versa.
post #16523 of 17117
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Originally Posted by OlegL View Post

I live less than 9 miles away from the Empire State Building, and even with the antennas such as Winegard FL-5550A and Winegard SS-3000, I always get video/audio drops and pixelation issues when watching channels. Changing the position of the antennas doesn't make a difference for me; I still get the same issues. I am really frustrated! I tested the antennas with both my TV and my hd homerun tuner.
Why am I having these issues if I live so close to the place where the transmitters of the broadcasting stations are? Please tell me.
Both those look like cheap toys. imo
post #16524 of 17117
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Originally Posted by OlegL View Post

I live less than 9 miles away from the Empire State Building, and even with the antennas such as Winegard FL-5550A and Winegard SS-3000, I always get video/audio drops and pixelation issues when watching channels. Changing the position of the antennas doesn't make a difference for me; I still get the same issues. I am really frustrated! I tested the antennas with both my TV and my hd homerun tuner.
Why am I having these issues if I live so close to the place where the transmitters of the broadcasting stations are? Please tell me.

You may be experiencing inner-city multipath reflections which can mess up DTV reception. This phenomenon is discussed at:

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/silver.html

You could try the two antenna trick described there but don't hold your breath.
post #16525 of 17117
The converter box sometime puts CBS2-1,2 into 2-7 and 2-8 slots, and punch in only 2 leads to 42-1,2,3,4,5,6. Apparently 42-3 Punch has been sold to muslims, now they call it 42-3 Peace tv. presented arabic also in englis, some singing, lots of talk, broadcast goes to UK,CET-Europa, probably from arabic peninsula, very anti Israel,anti jewish, anti christian propaganda
post #16526 of 17117
Any word on when abc discontinues the livewell channel
post #16527 of 17117
^^^^
Have you heard something or are you just throwing it out there?
post #16528 of 17117
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

Any word on when abc discontinues the livewell channel
Hopefully tomorrow, realistically not anytime soon.
post #16529 of 17117
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

Hopefully tomorrow, realistically not anytime soon.

Actually I may be one of the few people who do watch it and really like 3 or 4 shows on it.
post #16530 of 17117
Has anybody seen the broadcast strength or any other change in the WABC TV signal since around March 25th, 2013?
I've always gotten a relatively weak, but consistently good signal for the past seven years I've been in my house using an OTA antenna. Rarely have a problem viewing it, though it was always my weakest signal between NBC, CBS, FOX, and ABC from NYC.
But then all of a sudden I stopped receiving WABC.
I've checked all my connections, my antenna direction, and my pre-amp, and nothing has changed.
I've also tried rescanning, but no luck.
I thought maybe just some weather was getting in the way, but it hasn't come back now for weeks.

I haven't been able to find anything online about a change in signal or strength.
Anybody here familiar with WABC TV engineering and aware of anything that might have changed around that time?
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