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post #16591 of 17114
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

It's simply a threat because of Aereo. Even if Fox went cable only, the station itself will not change. They will just shut down their OTA transmitters where Aereo operates which is now only NY and Boston. Fox would continue to transmit WNYW to local cable companies via fiber.

I disagree. Wouldn't they need to hand in their FCC license if they shut down their transmitters? The need to transmit something. I bet they will become like any other cable network, and move all the Fox Network programming to cable / satellite. The OTA stations will become informercial city....
post #16592 of 17114
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Originally Posted by Giacomo Siffredi View Post

The WNYW New York .2 or .3 sub-channel is now an active stream with no audio or video content. It is HD with dynamic aspect-ratio. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as Movies! on virtual channel 5-2. Language is English. Time and program guide information are accurate. Movies! Channel Coming Soon appears as the current program, "No Description" is the subject. It is a 3-hour looping program beginning daily at 12:00AM.

Additionally, Fox has relabeled the PSIP channel names of the alternate SD simulcasts on both channels 44 and 38. Channel 44-4 (Virtual Channel 9-2) is now WWOR-SD and Channel 38-4 (Virtual Channel 5-2) is now WNYW-SD.
One of my converter boxes gives reading for Movies ch. 5- 2 720x480i 30 Hz Dolby Stereo
post #16593 of 17114
Will movies be on cable providers?
post #16594 of 17114
Most likely, especially if Bounce already is.

- Trip
post #16595 of 17114
Movies could be like this.tv and have commercials and cropping and edits.
post #16596 of 17114
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Originally Posted by Giacomo Siffredi View Post

The WNYW New York .2 or .3 sub-channel is now an active stream with no audio or video content. It is HD with dynamic aspect-ratio. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as Movies! on virtual channel 5-2. Language is English. Time and program guide information are accurate. Movies! Channel Coming Soon appears as the current program, "No Description" is the subject. It is a 3-hour looping program beginning daily at 12:00AM.

Additionally, Fox has relabeled the PSIP channel names of the alternate SD simulcasts on both channels 44 and 38. Channel 44-4 (Virtual Channel 9-2) is now WWOR-SD and Channel 38-4 (Virtual Channel 5-2) is now WNYW-SD.

I watch Philly OTA virtually exclusively but for MY9 Yankee games, and those channels did not show up on WTXF ch 29 until I did a re-scan.

29.2 is Movies! and has content, but it's just the duplicate of the main channel at the moment (on both of my boxes).

29.3 is MundoFox and has programming consistent with that channel. I did the scan early this afternoon (or late morning?) and there was a foreign language movie with oriental-looking actors but speaking Spanish with English subtitles as part of the display.

aye carumba!

As of ~6:55 PM, they were showing Betty La Fea

Zap2it has not yet incorporated these subchannels into it's page for me.
post #16597 of 17114
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Most likely, especially if Bounce already is. - Trip

As far as I am aware, I still have Bounce OTA. I didn't check it last night when I was watching the Yankee game, but I think it's there.
post #16598 of 17114
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

. . . Which brings me to today. I tried reception at the #1 position and it max'd out at 81%, with the occasional drops to zero. I then moved to the #2 position and it's basically the same.

So at this point, I have no MY9 reception . . ..

FWIW, here's the update.

Right after I posted last evening I moved the antenna back to the #1 position and tilted it upward a bit via a rope I have tied to the opposite end which I then secure to the mast. That gave me iffy 84% which went to "fairly" solid 84% by gametime (7PM). So I had reception with glitches.

From there reception improved (fairly quickly) and by 7:45 or so I had reasonably decent reception. By 8:30 I had what looked to be solid 84% (which gives me issue-free reception if "solid" enough, which it really never is, especially when a plane goes by) with brief jumps up to 85%.

The end result is that I had satisfactory reception of the entire game and really didn't miss anything to speak of (thanks gawd for replays).

Now, I have to say that this condition is very different than last year. For one thing, I don't seem to have any decent reception at the #2 position whereas last year I could only watch from that position from May through September. I had no suitable reception from the #1 position at all.

The improved reception I got last night after moving the antenna back to #1 position may have been due to the wind dying down, which it did at about the time I moved it back. It was pretty windy before that and I suspect that the leaves on the trees in the distance (which are on top of the ridge that blocks me from NYC) were giving me multipath when the wind was blowing.

Final point: Just like last year, I identified a #3 position which is only about a foot behind the #1 position. Maybe 18 inches. That seems to be a sweet spot giving me at least 85%, as was also the case last year. I was gonna put a mounting bracket there last year but didn't. I think I'll do that now for this year.

This OTA suff is very tricky indeed.

Lotta ins, lotta outs.

First guy to correctly identify that reference gets a gold star.

NO CHEATING!
post #16599 of 17114
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

The improved reception I got last night after moving the antenna back to #1 position may have been due to the wind dying down, which it did at about the time I moved it back. It was pretty windy before that and I suspect that the leaves on the trees in the distance (which are on top of the ridge that blocks me from NYC) were giving me multipath when the wind was blowing.

Since you say it was pretty windy, it is possible 1WTC was swaying in the wind causing the multipath signals to fluctuate causing your glitches. See if it happens again when it is pretty windy.

ps. Thanks for the Shout Out. It is appreciated.
post #16600 of 17114
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

Since you say it was pretty windy, it is possible 1WTC was swaying in the wind causing the multipath signals to fluctuate causing your glitches. See if it happens again when it is pretty windy.

1WTC is built like a rock. At 50mph the top sways less than .1 deg
post #16601 of 17114
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Originally Posted by DTVintermods View Post

1WTC is built like a rock. At 50mph the top sways less than .1 deg

0.1 degree may seem small, but 1776 feet away, that's a movement over 3 feet.

Cheers!
-Doug
post #16602 of 17114
What are you guys talking about? 1 WTC has NO impact on our reception...period. We could blame the moon while we are at it.
post #16603 of 17114
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

What are you guys talking about? 1 WTC has NO impact on our reception...period. We could blame the moon while we are at it.
Well, it could have an impact under certain conditions, if the skin of 1 WTC deflected enough of a station's signal through a longer path into the receiving antenna, which then added out of phase with the station's direct signal, resulting in enough cancellation to blackout that station. This is a huge geometry/calculus problem that would vary with the receiving antenna's pattern, plus the station's wavelength, so not all channels would be similarly affected. I don't believe the moon bounces enough signal into the receiving antenna to cause noticeable cancellation.
post #16604 of 17114
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

What are you guys talking about? 1 WTC has NO impact on our reception...period. We could blame the moon while we are at it.

Please check this past post on this forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/275729/new-york-ny-ota/180#post_2709308

Extracting part of the post that reads:

"The world's most unusual antenna site may not exist much longer. Recently, the Port of New York Authority has been planning the construction of twin 110-story skyscrapers in Lower Manhattan. Independent studies by Alford Manufacturing Co, and Jansky and Bailey have shown that the proposed towers would cause ghosting to some viewers watching some of the TV stations presently on the Empire State Building. Several solutions to the program have been advanced, one being to relocate antennas from Empire State to the new. taller structures (to be known as the World Trade Center)."

Ghosting is the same as multipath. As George says, ghosting/multipath can cause reception problems especially if the reflection point on 1WTC is swaying in the wind. Some HDTVs can't process rapidly changing multipath signals.
post #16605 of 17114
Just saw a commercial on FOX
Instructs anyone that watches tv with an antenna to rescan on Memorial Day to get Movies on 5.2
post #16606 of 17114
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

Just saw a commercial on FOX
Instructs anyone that watches tv with an antenna to rescan on Memorial Day to get Movies on 5.2
I rescanned before then but the channel is just a blank screen right now..

However another channel which I forgot the number has nothing but "digital snow" Not sure why.
post #16607 of 17114
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

Please check this past post on this forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/275729/new-york-ny-ota/180#post_2709308

Extracting part of the post that reads:

"The world's most unusual antenna site may not exist much longer. Recently, the Port of New York Authority has been planning the construction of twin 110-story skyscrapers in Lower Manhattan. Independent studies by Alford Manufacturing Co, and Jansky and Bailey have shown that the proposed towers would cause ghosting to some viewers watching some of the TV stations presently on the Empire State Building. Several solutions to the program have been advanced, one being to relocate antennas from Empire State to the new. taller structures (to be known as the World Trade Center)."

Ghosting is the same as multipath. As George says, ghosting/multipath can cause reception problems especially if the reflection point on 1WTC is swaying in the wind. Some HDTVs can't process rapidly changing multipath signals.

Simply unfounded conjecture. T-MAX has had problems right along with MY9 way before the 1 WTC was even planned. He has posted and lamented many times on this forum about abrupt changes in his reception for no apparent reason and the need to make changes to his antennas. He has a very strange and unique situation that keeps recurring. Also if there was any concrete (real) reception issue due to 1WTC as soon as the problem happened more of us would be ranting and raving on this forum. There are many causes for reception issues but to all of a sudden blame something that has been happening for years on 1WTC is without merit.

By the way there is tremendous SOLAR activity now and with the moon reflecting it on to the earth at night don't count out the moon as causing his issues.....you get my point.
post #16608 of 17114
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

Just saw a commercial on FOX
Instructs anyone that watches tv with an antenna to rescan on Memorial Day to get Movies on 5.2
Well if you have a dtvpal dvr (dishpal) Or one of the $20 program boxes offered by dish. Then no need to rescan. It finds it automatically. Nice that it is coming on Monday
post #16609 of 17114
With movies coming out on monday will foxs hd signal be affected?
post #16610 of 17114
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

With movies coming out on monday will foxs hd signal be affected?
well it has been reported that Movies will be in hd. So I would say the main channel will be affected somewhat.
Edited by keyboard21 - 5/24/13 at 6:49pm
post #16611 of 17114
Is their a schedule anywhere for this channel?
post #16612 of 17114
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Originally Posted by dvdchance View Post

Is their a schedule anywhere for this channel?

http://www.moviestvnetwork.com/schedule.php
post #16613 of 17114
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Hymmm it says in NY it will be on 5.2 and not 5.3
post #16614 of 17114
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Originally Posted by Giacomo Siffredi View Post

The WNYW New York .2 or .3 sub-channel is now an active stream with no audio or video content. It is HD with dynamic aspect-ratio. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as Movies! on virtual channel 5-2. Language is English. Time and program guide information are accurate. Movies! Channel Coming Soon appears as the current program, "No Description" is the subject. It is a 3-hour looping program beginning daily at 12:00AM.

Additionally, Fox has relabeled the PSIP channel names of the alternate SD simulcasts on both channels 44 and 38. Channel 44-4 (Virtual Channel 9-2) is now WWOR-SD and Channel 38-4 (Virtual Channel 5-2) is now WNYW-SD.
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

well it has been reported that Movies will be in hd. So I would say the main channel will be affected somewhat.

UPDATE: There is now programming on WNYW, virtual channel 5-2. It is a looping block of promos advertising the premiere of Movies! on Memorial Day. Technically, everything is the same as I described a few days ago, but with one major exception: The channel is now SD with static aspect-ratio.

From the promos, it appears that Movies! will offer a diverse array of movies, both monochromatic and color, of all genres, some well-known and others obscure, produced from the early 1950s through the late 1990s. I expect the station to be comparable to this (which should come as no surprise considering Weigel Broadcasting owns 50% of this new operation), but with a slightly more serious tone. The production value of this looping block is exceptionally good, which bodes very well for the expected on-air presentation. One promo boasts the free aspect of the subchannel, saying: "You shouldn't have to pay extra for good movies"

The channel will break from it's movie schedule every Saturday between 10AM and 1PM for mandatory E/I programming.

Movies! will officially begin Memorial Day, Monday, May 27, 2013 at 8AM EDT./PDT. with the movie "Take a Hard Ride". The full schedule for that day can be found here: Movies! May 27, 2013 Schedule
post #16615 of 17114
I saw the promo also. It appears to be a 4:3 picture with the image "squeezed". If I hit the "wide" aspect ratio on my remote, it looks normal. I hope it will not be like this on a permanent basis.
post #16616 of 17114
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Originally Posted by mikepier View Post

I saw the promo also. It appears to be a 4:3 picture with the image "squeezed". If I hit the "wide" aspect ratio on my remote, it looks normal. I hope it will not be like this on a permanent basis.
Hmmm.... that's interesting, because when I attempted the same operation using ZOOM, I got the message "Aspect-Ratio cannot be changed on this channel". This is why I reported the aspect-ratio as now being "static". Prior to this change, it was dynamic and comparable to the setup Comcast uses with Cozi TV.

I am not optimistic that this will be changing, because I have checked and can confirm that the Los Angeles and Chicago affiliates of Movies! are rebroadcasting with the same specifications as WNYW. However, I hope this will eventually change for the better.

I REALLY wish Fox would abandon this redundant reciprocal simulcast policy, which I think is technically the reason they are being so conservative (no political pun intended wink.gif) with their broadcast TV bandwidth. Is it really too unreasonable to expect cable operators to buy and install equipment to downconvert HD signals for the benefit of their SD subscribers? I think the major cable operators have some form of positive cash flow, despite their contrary cries to the government...
post #16617 of 17114
I think it has more to do with the signals not covering the same areas. WNYW gets chopped off to the south by WMCN, and WWOR gets hit to the northeast by adjacent channel WCTX.

- Trip
post #16618 of 17114
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Simply unfounded conjecture. T-MAX has had problems right along with MY9 way before the 1 WTC was even planned. He has posted and lamented many times on this forum about abrupt changes in his reception for no apparent reason and the need to make changes to his antennas. He has a very strange and unique situation that keeps recurring.

I'd have to check but I don't think I ever had the kind of problem I experienced last May (total loss of effective MY9 signal at my #1 antenna location). It was only when retiredengineer suggested that the then-state of 1WTC construction, having reached a near-completion height, might be effecting my reception, and that moving my antenna might help, that I tried moving the antenna. That resulted in good reception at my #2 position, which continued through September. Reception at the #1 position continued to be nil.

Keep in mind that I am located near the Bridgewater Mall, making 1WTC effectively in my line of sight with the Empire State building.

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Also if there was any concrete (real) reception issue due to 1WTC as soon as the problem happened more of us would be ranting and raving on this forum.

As I say, I'm near the Bridgewater Mall. You are in Randolph with an entirely different line of sight to ESB than mine. It makes logical sense to me that any 1WTC effect would impact me more than you. Also keep in mind that my "basic" MY9 reception has always been problematic, as your post pointed out. It's always been right on the edge of reception and thus anything that might have an adverse effect is likely to make all the difference in the world to me. Solid 84% for me gives quite good reception, as long as it's SOLID. Reasonably solid 85% gives essentially issue-free reception. Solid 83% gives me basically nothing. So there's a very narrow range for me and anything that knocks me down below 84%, or even at an iffy 84%, is gonna make me "rant and rave," as you say. Remove that adverse factor and get me to a reasonably steady 84% to 85% and I'll be happy.


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There are many causes for reception issues but to all of a sudden blame something that has been happening for years on 1WTC is without merit.

Again, location location location.
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By the way there is tremendous SOLAR activity now and with the moon reflecting it on to the earth at night don't count out the moon as causing his issues.....you get my point.

Again, given the sensitivity of my MY9 reception, due to my particular location and my "very strange and unique situation" (your term, and one with which I agree), I'd say that anything that has even a small adverse effect is noticed by me. Indeed, planes flying overhead can give me anything from some glitches to a loss of signal.

If I had, say, 86% or 87%, I probably wouldn't even notice these adverse factors (like the planes). My Philly reception is basically above 90% for all stations, and mostly in the mid-to-high 90's, so I hardly ever see any glitches from Philly, which is where I get all of my OTA signals and do all of my watching unless there's a MY9 (or ch 11) ballgame. Which, in fact, is the case for Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday. Two Yankees-Mets games on ch 11, and one on ch 9.

Now, as to this May's situation, it makes logical sense to me that since construction on 1WTC continued on since last May, taking us that much closer to completion of construction, any effect 1WTC may have had on me last year might very well be very different this year. For one thing, I don't think there was any "skin" on the upper floors of the building last May. The skin on those floors now could have an entirely different effect on my reception this year. So, to me, that could well account for the fact that this May I have no reception at the #2 location, and pretty good reception at the #1 location.

Basically the exact reverse of last year's reception situation.

BTW, Friday's game reception was very problematic. It was jumping all around and did drop to zero at times, but also did jump up to 85%, if only for a second or 2. But it spent most of the time around 83% to 84%, and mostly at 84%. So it was pretty annoying reception but I was still able to watch the game and see most of it. I attribute the poor reception to the rather poor weather conditions and perhaps other factors which likely are more in the nature of temporary.

But time will tell.
Edited by T-Max - 5/26/13 at 3:01pm
post #16619 of 17114
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I think it has more to do with the signals not covering the same areas. WNYW gets chopped off to the south by WMCN, and WWOR gets hit to the northeast by adjacent channel WCTX.- Trip

Trip -

I have a pretty strong signal from WLVT in Bethlehem, PA (RF 39), which is located essentially directly west of me. Do you think that this might be effecting my MY9 (RF 38) reception?

When I'm turned toward NYC, I'm virtually 180° from my usual orientation toward Philly. And at my Philly orientation, I get good WLVT reception.

Which means that when I'm pointed toward NYC (to get MY9), my antenna is essentially at the same orientation for WLVT as when I'm pointed toward Philly. That is to say, WLVT shouldn't care whether the antenna is pointed north rather than south. WLVT is still basically directly west either way.

I'll have to try to see if I'm getting WLVT the next time I point toward NYC, which will be tomorrow.

I also have WBPH @ RF 9 which is directly west of me and is even stronger than WLVT. My other Philly / Trenton RF's are 6,12,17,22,25,26,27,29,31,32,34,35,42,43
post #16620 of 17114
Is the FOX MOVIES! channel active?
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