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post #16621 of 17106
Not on fios....
post #16622 of 17106
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

Is the FOX MOVIES! channel active?

Yes it is active.

The picture is SD widescreen, so on an HDTV it has bars surrounding all 4 sides of it. Not very attractive to watch.
post #16623 of 17106
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

Not on fios....

Your posting in the wrong forum. This is OTA only.
post #16624 of 17106
Movies! is running half an hour ahead of the website schedule. Michael Shane: Private detective began atat 1:55 PM, even though their website said it woould be starting at 2:25 PM.
post #16625 of 17106
It would be a waste putting a antenna mask on the new 1WTC and not broadcasting anything off of it. Right now the ESB antenna mask is overloaded also the stations pay big rents on there.
post #16626 of 17106
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Originally Posted by dvdchance View Post

Yes it is active.

The picture is SD widescreen, so on an HDTV it has bars surrounding all 4 sides of it. Not very attractive to watch.

I guess they (Network execs and engineers) think that the people who watch TV with an antenna are not up to speed with technology and are using CRT Analog TVS.

To watch these movies on a 55 inch LED TV is painful. However we would all be complaining if the PQ of the main channel was degraded to give the subchannel more bandwith for better PQ. WABC gets hammered for having better PQ for livewell 7.2. Its also on 7.3 480i.. Oh well.mad.gif
post #16627 of 17106
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Originally Posted by reddice View Post

It would be a waste putting a antenna mask on the new 1WTC and not broadcasting anything off of it. Right now the ESB antenna mask is overloaded also the stations pay big rents on there.
stations are taking a wait and see attitude towards moving to WTC. took them years and millions of dollars to get settled into ESB, they are in no rush to move again for little to no benefit. do count on most or all stations to maintain a main site be it ESB or WTC and a backup site such as 4TS, Trump, Citicorp, New Jersey or wherever.
post #16628 of 17106
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Originally Posted by dvdchance View Post

Yes it is active. The picture is SD widescreen, so on an HDTV it has bars surrounding all 4 sides of it. Not very attractive to watch.

The PQ on Philly FOX's version (WTXF ch 29.2) ain't half bad at all. Far superior to ThisTV on WPHL ch 17.3. I'm thinking I will enjoy some of the movies on this new channel. In fact, I'm watching the current movie (Down to the Sea in Ships) and enjoying it very much. I'd never seen this 1949 movie before and may watch the whole thing when it's on again (can't do so now)

Also, as an aside, I tuned in yesterday afternoon and it looked to me like they were not showing what was on the schedule at the website. (?). Looks like the schedule matches the programming today, tho'

BTW, my ch 11 reception of the Yankees-Mets game last night was very good indeed. Turns out that my ch 11 reception appears better than my MY9 reception. I tuned the position specifically for ch 11 last night and it's just a bit different than the MY9 position.

This is at my #1 antenna location. Again, this represents a very different situation than I had last year (when I had virtually no NYC reception at this location).

They showed a shot of the NY skyline during the game and it looked like the Freedom Tower (1WTC) was essentially completed, if only on the outside.
Edited by T-Max - 5/28/13 at 10:09am
post #16629 of 17106
Abc 7 has the worst pq and aq of any broadcast network. Nbc is superb.
post #16630 of 17106
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

Abc 7 has the worst pq and aq of any broadcast network. Nbc is superb.

3 sub channels versus 2. That has an impact.
post #16631 of 17106
What i like about fox is how they preserve the hd feed bit by bit....it's good for filmed content but bad for sports
post #16632 of 17106
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Originally Posted by dvdchance View Post

Yes it is active. The picture is SD widescreen, so on an HDTV it has bars surrounding all 4 sides of it. Not very attractive to watch.

I just switched it on again and my picture for the current movie (Emperor of the North Pole) is regular 16x9 HD format. Not saying it's HD, but the PQ is quite good (as I said before, MUCH better than ThisTV, which is generally so poor that ya just can't watch it).

The prior movie, being a 1949 movie, had the black bars all around. That's to be expected. But this 1973 flick isn't being shown in that format. So I'd expect any 'recent' movies to be like this one, and that suits me just fine.

If they don't mess around with this subchannel later on, I'm going to enjoy it.
post #16633 of 17106
Is the audio for movies 2.0?
post #16634 of 17106
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

3 sub channels versus 2. That has an impact.

You mean 3 channels, not 3 subchannels. Although, technically you are correct since any time you have a subchannel, even the main channel can then be considered a subchannel.

But as to your point, I'll note that my PhillyThisTV subchannel is part of WPHL's four (4) channels (or subchannels). There's the main channel (MY17), AntennaTV, ThisTV and Tango Traffic.

No wonder ThisTV's PQ kinda sucks bigtime.
post #16635 of 17106
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

I just switched it on again and my picture for the current movie (Emperor of the North Pole) is regular 16x9 HD format. . . .

I note that the Wikipedia entry for WTXF (Philly FOX) has all three channels (subchannels?) with an aspect ratio of 16:9.

The Wikipedia page for WNYW also has its Movies! subchannel at 480i video and 16:9 aspect ratio, same as WTXF.

Edit: If the above question was for me, I can't comment on the audio for my Philly Movies! channel. Not even sure what 2.0 audio is.
Edited by T-Max - 5/28/13 at 1:14pm
post #16636 of 17106
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

You mean 3 channels, not 3 subchannels. Although, technically you are correct since any time you have a subchannel, even the main channel can then be considered a subchannel.

But as to your point, I'll note that my PhillyThisTV subchannel is part of WPHL's four (4) channels (or subchannels). There's the main channel (MY17), AntennaTV, ThisTV and Tango Traffic.

No wonder ThisTV's PQ kinda sucks bigtime.

Yeah I guess I should have said 4.1 and 4.2 versus 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3. Or NBC has 1 subchannel and WABC has 2. I think you got the point though.
post #16637 of 17106
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Yeah I guess I should have said 4.1 and 4.2 versus 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3. Or NBC has 1 subchannel and WABC has 2. I think you got the point though.

Strange that ABC continues to carry duplicate programming on 7.2 and 7.3. The same is true on my Philly ABC ch 6. I assume there's some benefit to ABC in doing so.

I have 2 Philly stations that have 5 channels / subchannels. WGTW, ch 48, which is "a Trinity Broadcasting Network-owned and operated television station for Philadelphia," and ch 35, WYBE, which is "an independent, non-commercial educational (NCE) public television station."

Both descriptions come from Wikipedia.
post #16638 of 17106
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

Strange that ABC continues to carry duplicate programming on 7.2 and 7.3. The same is true on my Philly ABC ch 6. I assume there's some benefit to ABC in doing so.

ABC O&O stations are duplicating their .2 on .3 channels, because they claim it allow cable companies to offer Livewell Network in 4:3, without it having to be converted from 16:9 to 4:3. It's stupid, but ABC wants to offer it that way. I don't know how many other stations around the country offer a 4:3 simulcast on a subchannel (whether from another subchannel that's in 16:9, or from the main channel. I know in Chicago, PBS station WYCC is one station that has a 4:3 simulcast of 20.1 on 20.2. WFXT also has a 4:3 simulcast of 60.1 on 60.2, though I hear that might end.
post #16639 of 17106
Some time when I punch in EP Program Guide key on subs like 47- 2, 68 -2 or 5-2 sub my converter box shuts off ,it gives only green screen, then reboots to another channel, this info is for other converter box users if they had the same problem, they are not alone
Edited by AloEuro - 5/31/13 at 7:43am
post #16640 of 17106
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

Trip -

I have a pretty strong signal from WLVT in Bethlehem, PA (RF 39), which is located essentially directly west of me. Do you think that this might be effecting my MY9 (RF 38) reception?

When I'm turned toward NYC, I'm virtually 180° from my usual orientation toward Philly. And at my Philly orientation, I get good WLVT reception.

Which means that when I'm pointed toward NYC (to get MY9), my antenna is essentially at the same orientation for WLVT as when I'm pointed toward Philly. That is to say, WLVT shouldn't care whether the antenna is pointed north rather than south. WLVT is still basically directly west either way.

I'll have to try to see if I'm getting WLVT the next time I point toward NYC, which will be tomorrow.

I also have WBPH @ RF 9 which is directly west of me and is even stronger than WLVT. My other Philly / Trenton RF's are 6,12,17,22,25,26,27,29,31,32,34,35,42,43

It's possible, but I suspect it's unlikely. Most tuners can handle an adjacent signal about 30 dB stronger than the desired station. WLVT would have to be much, much stronger than WWOR to cause such interference.

- Trip
post #16641 of 17106
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

It's possible, but I suspect it's unlikely. Most tuners can handle an adjacent signal about 30 dB stronger than the desired station. WLVT would have to be much, much stronger than WWOR to cause such interference.

- Trip
That 30 dB ratio would be true only if there were no multipath degradation at the desired channel.
post #16642 of 17106
The 5-2 Movies in the morning hours shows some good b/w criminal movies the young people used to color may have never seen, also color movies which may not have been success rather box office flop worth to watch. now the 5-2 compete with 4-2 Cozi and 9-3 and 11-2,3 and 31-1,3 or the Spanish 68 and 47 or 13-3 or FoxMundo
post #16643 of 17106
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

I just switched it on again and my picture for the current movie (Emperor of the North Pole) is regular 16x9 HD format. Not saying it's HD, but the PQ is quite good (as I said before, MUCH better than ThisTV, which is generally so poor that ya just can't watch it).

You must have your TV set to auto zoom since 5.2 is broadcast at 480i SD 4:3
Edited by dm145 - 5/31/13 at 9:50am
post #16644 of 17106
On main programming on wabc tv, the abc logo is gold rather than silver as an on screen bug, this can be annoying in hd. Back in 2003 through 2007 the abchd bug appeared.
post #16645 of 17106
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

. . . 5.2 is broadcast at 480i SD 4:3

Not according to Wikipedia. They have it at aspect ratio = 16:9.

Also, I'm also not watching 5.2. I'm watching WTXF 29.2 (not that it matters).

I already said all this in my post #16635, which is just 3 down from the one you quoted.


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You must have your TV set to auto zoom . . .

No, I'm watching it through a retired VOOM set top box to a Sony KV-27HS420 (see my footer below)

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Getting 53 strong channels/subchannels out of the Roxborough farm / Trenton / Allentown (farm is ~50 miles away @ 233°) smile.gif
Edited by T-Max - 6/1/13 at 7:27pm
post #16646 of 17106
Yeah it does matter that you're watching in a Philly station. Just because wiki says its movies on WNYW is 16:9 doesn't mean it is. Slicondust proves it's at 4:3 now but it may gave been 16:9 before.
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

Not according to Wikipedia. They have it at aspect ratio = 16:9.

Also, I'm also not watching 5.2. I'm watching WTXF 29.2 (not that it matters).

I already said all this in my post #16635, which is just 3 down from the one you quoted.
No, I'm watching it through a retired VOOM set top box to a Sony KV-27HS420 (see my footer below)

__________________
Sony KV-27HS420
SIR-TS360 receiver (also VOOM OTA box (retired VOOM Satellite box))
RS Model VU-190 XR antenna
Getting 53 strong channels/subchannels out of the Roxborough farm / Trenton / Allentown (farm is ~50 miles away @ 233°) smile.gif
post #16647 of 17106
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

Yeah it does matter that you're watching in a Philly station. Just because wiki says its movies on WNYW is 16:9 doesn't mean it is. Slicondust proves it's at 4:3 now but it may gave been 16:9 before.

"before"?

What do you mean by "before"?

If you mean when it was showing an older movie or a commercial, then I can understand that it would be 4:3. But The Rose came on at 5:25 PM and I'm watching it now on WTXF ch 29.2 out of Philly and I have 16:9 format. Are you saying that you have The Rose on WNYW ch 5.2 in 4:3 format?

I find it hard to believe that Philly Fox would carry it in 16:9 and NYC Fox wouldn't.

It's ~5:37 PM as I post this.
post #16648 of 17106
before as in sometime between launch and when the incorrect wiki entry made. Just because WTXF and WNYW are both Fox O&O doesn't mean they do things the same. See for yourself

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:19107
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:10001


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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

"before"?

What do you mean by "before"?

If you mean when it was showing an older movie or a commercial, then I can understand that it would be 4:3. But The Rose came on at 5:25 PM and I'm watching it now on WTXF ch 29.2 out of Philly and I have 16:9 format. Are you saying that you have The Rose on WNYW ch 5.2 in 4:3 format?

I find it hard to believe that Philly Fox would carry it in 16:9 and NYC Fox wouldn't.

It's ~5:37 PM as I post this.
post #16649 of 17106
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

I note that the Wikipedia entry for WTXF (Philly FOX) has all three channels (subchannels?) with an aspect ratio of 16:9.

The Wikipedia page for WNYW also has its Movies! subchannel at 480i video and 16:9 aspect ratio, same as WTXF.

Edit: If the above question was for me, I can't comment on the audio for my Philly Movies! channel. Not even sure what 2.0 audio is.
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

Not according to Wikipedia. They have it at aspect ratio = 16:9.

Also, I'm also not watching 5.2. I'm watching WTXF 29.2 (not that it matters).
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

Yeah it does matter that you're watching in a Philly station. Just because wiki says its movies on WNYW is 16:9 doesn't mean it is. Slicondust proves it's at 4:3 now but it may gave been 16:9 before.
nyctveng is exactly right with this. Silicondust proves the aspect-ratio on WNYW virtual channel 5-2 to be 4:3, and this is further confirmed because the aspect-ratio cannot be changed on this subchannel.

Silicondust also proves that the aspect-ratio on WTXF-TV virtual channel 29-2 is set to 16:9.
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

"before"?

What do you mean by "before"?

If you mean when it was showing an older movie or a commercial, then I can understand that it would be 4:3. But The Rose came on at 5:25 PM and I'm watching it now on WTXF ch 29.2 out of Philly and I have 16:9 format. Are you saying that you have The Rose on WNYW ch 5.2 in 4:3 format?

I find it hard to believe that Philly Fox would carry it in 16:9 and NYC Fox wouldn't.

It's ~5:37 PM as I post this.
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Originally Posted by nyctveng View Post

before as in sometime between launch and when the incorrect wiki entry made. Just because WTXF and WNYW are both Fox O&O doesn't mean they do things the same. See for yourself

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:19107
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:10001
The Wikipedia entry was not entered incorrectly. It is true that when the WNYW subchannel was first activated, it was transmitting with dynamic 16:9 aspect-ratio. In fact, this was reported HERE. Once the Movies! feed was launched, the aspect-ratio was changed to static 4:3. The Wikipedia entry needs to be updated to reflect the correct aspect-ratio. Better still, WNYW should modify the aspect-ratio to reflect the Wikipedia entry wink.gif
post #16650 of 17106
Reminds me of MY9 News not so long a go. MY9 programming would be 16x9 and when the news came on it would revert to 4x3. Commercials during the news would go back to 16x9.
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