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post #6181 of 8537
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Originally posted by wheeler1629
Why does that affect DC and not Baltimore?
Dug up the following somewhere else. If accurate ... the difference is that the Redskins were playing at home while the Ravens were playing away.
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Glossary of Terms
Franchised Market - television market (ADI or DMA) that has an NFL franchise (i.e. Buffalo, NY or Phoenix, AZ).
Secondary Blackout Market - television market in the home territory (with station(s) having signal penetration to within 75 miles of the game site) of an NFL franchise that is subject to blackout restrictions.
Early Game - Game with kickoff at 1:05 p.m. (Eastern Time).
Late Game - Game with kickoff at 4:05 or 4:15 p.m. (Eastern Time).

Blackout Policy
To ensure an NFL club's ability to sell all of its game tickets, and to make televised games more attractive to viewers through the presence of sellout crowds, the following policy is observed by the NFL:

For a home game to be aired locally in the franchised market and in any secondary blackout market(s), the game must be sold out 72 hours in advance of kickoff. If the game is not a sellout by the 72 hour cutoff, both the home franchised market and the secondary markets of the carrying network will air an alternate game.

Number of Games in a Market
With regard to the number of NFL games seen in a particular market on a Sunday afternoon, there are three different situations.

1. An NFL franchised market (i.e. New York, Chicago, Dallas, etc.).
On a week when the NFL team (or teams) in a market is on the ROAD Sunday, Monday or Thursday night or Saturday afternoon, the market will receive three Sunday afternoon games... two telecasts by the network with the doubleheader week and one game by the network with the single game week. When an NFL team in the market is playing at HOME on Sunday afternoon, the market will receive two games... one game on FOX and one game on CBS, regardless of which network has the doubleheader week. Unless 1) the home team's assigned telecaster that day (CBS or FOX) is also on the doubleheader network and 2) the game is sold out 72 hours in advance. Then the three games would be the home team's and two other games in the remaining early or late window.

2. All other television markets (including secondary blackout markets).
Network affiliates in these markets will receive three games on Sunday afternoon, two on the doubleheader network (one early and one late) and one game on the single game network (either early or late).

Selection of Games to be Telecast Regionally
By network contract, all team road games must be telecast back to that team's home territory (franchised market and secondary blackout markets).
Other than the above requirement, the televising network is the sole selector of which game(s) will be aired in all markets.
Note: I have no clue if the above is accurate ... do a search, it's on several (unofficial) web sites.
post #6182 of 8537
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Originally posted by jimmyk36
pennstatefan, What antenna did you buy?
The antenna I installed was a Antennacraft MXU47 http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/mxu47.htm

Kind of figured I would need a Yagi and the guy at the electronics store said that this one should do it. Plus the price was right.

Neighbors kid says it looks like a big arrow on top of my roof.:D
post #6183 of 8537
loobazooma, me too!!!! where are you at? i am in south riding Adelphia loudoun. i called adelphia yesterday and they said my box is bad! Wat do they know? is anyone else have this problem. I have a guy coming by this weeek ill let you know
post #6184 of 8537
thanks for the NFL TV info dt_dc, that mostly makes sense to me. as you might have guessed i'm a ravens fan trapped in the 'skins market. i've gotta work on my antenna reception of the baltimore stations! thanks again.
post #6185 of 8537
Pigatc -

I am in Sterling, the Cascades area. Seems like this is a common issue, a friend of mine has the same exact issue. I have someone stopping by on Thursday. Seems weird since I didn't have this issue when the box was first installed, it started about a week or so ago. Will let you know the results after the tech leaves.
post #6186 of 8537
Loobo, thanks. i told the CSR it is not the box, and she insisted it was the box. I did see a thread in hdtv programming that talked about hdnet having dropouts, but noone said anything else about espn. i agree that it started about a week ago. when i first got the hd+ package, it worked fine, but now they are pixelated and audio dropouts. the question i have is there anyone with adelphia in loudoun that is NOT having this problem? are we all suffering? Thanks for responding...
post #6187 of 8537
WJLA has no audio and massive breakups on MNF. WMAR is rock solid.
post #6188 of 8537
We are working on the MNF issue. Looks like a problem with our twin stream feed from TX.

Sorry about the problems.
post #6189 of 8537
All better now. :)
post #6190 of 8537
Robert,

Looks and sounds good now.
post #6191 of 8537
I understand why Fox didn't show a game against the skins playing at home on CBS, the question I have is why wasn't this Fox's game to start with? The game was at home, so it was a NFC East game, which is Fox's domain. Why would CBS get a NFC East home game?

Totally off topic, I apologize ;)
-Mike
post #6192 of 8537
Because the Bengals are an AFC team.
post #6193 of 8537
anyone notice wrchd was jumping something serious tonight. felt like i was watching sat on a very very serious storm!
post #6194 of 8537
Thread Starter 
Mike, its actually the opposite of what you exepct. Its the away team's network which gets the game. So if the Skins host any AFC team, the game will be on CBS. If the Skins play at any AFC team, the game will be on FOX. This of course excludes ABC/ESPN games.
post #6195 of 8537
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Originally posted by CycloneGT
Mike, its actually the opposite of what you exepct. Its the away team's network which gets the game. So if the Skins host any AFC team, the game will be on CBS. If the Skins play at any AFC team, the game will be on FOX. This of course excludes ABC/ESPN games.
That's awesome info CycloneGT, I've always wondered how all that worked. Thanks man.
post #6196 of 8537
Quote "WJLA has no audio and massive breakups on MNF. WMAR is rock solid."

I called and JLA said it was a network problem, not local. Liars.

Oh yah-

GO EAGLES!

http://www.eaglescentral.com/Eatin_Cowboys.gif

Man, I can't wait until we get to take apart the Redskins next week! :)
post #6197 of 8537
Thread Starter 
I can't wait until you lose the NFC Championship for the fifth time in a row. :D
post #6198 of 8537
I think they will choke before the championship this time.
post #6199 of 8537
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Originally posted by CycloneGT
I can't wait until you lose the NFC Championship for the fifth time in a row. :D
Fourth time in a row.
post #6200 of 8537
Thread Starter 
I was thinking ahead. ;)

But seriously, I do not look forward to the match up. The Eagles are hot this year, red hot. It was fun watching the Cowboys get it handed to them last night.
post #6201 of 8537
Now that I have my OTA antenna to go w/ my HD-TiVo all set up I have a few questions:

1. Is there really any need for the SD locals off the satellite dish (other than WDCA and WETA that I cannot seem to get)? Why would I leave them in my program guide at all?

2. What is the purpose of multicasting a SD version of the same channel, e.g., 11-2 and 50-2?

3. What is 11-1? Does WBAL do widescreen for everything? If WNBC (out of NY) is showing a program SD, is WBAL simply stretching it?

4. Last night I was able to catch the football game on 2-1, with signal levels in the mid-upper 60's. (Wow, the DD5.1 really makes a difference! Can't wait for LOST.) However, I am reluctant to change my recordings from 7-1 to 2-1 yet. Was the signal strength/quality typical for WMAR last night?
post #6202 of 8537
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Originally posted by EricRobins
Now that I have my OTA antenna to go w/ my HD-TiVo all set up I have a few questions:

1. Is there really any need for the SD locals off the satellite dish (other than WDCA and WETA that I cannot seem to get)? Why would I leave them in my program guide at all?

2. What is the purpose of multicasting a SD version of the same channel, e.g., 11-2 and 50-2?

3. What is 11-1? Does WBAL do widescreen for everything? If WNBC (out of NY) is showing a program SD, is WBAL simply stretching it?

4. Last night I was able to catch the football game on 2-1, with signal levels in the mid-upper 60's. (Wow, the DD5.1 really makes a difference! Can't wait for LOST.) However, I am reluctant to change my recordings from 7-1 to 2-1 yet. Was the signal strength/quality typical for WMAR last night?
1) well maybe PIP? dual viewing?

2) wasting bandwith, though i thought 50.2 was off the air.
post #6203 of 8537
Thread Starter 
1. If you are getting all of your locals just fine OTA, then no, you do not need them from Satellite. They are useful if you have other STBs in the house which aren't HD though.

2. Multicasting SD. I have heard two reasons for this. (50.2 is gone BTW, and was HD) a) Cable companies want to be able to get the SD channel digitially, so they've requested this. b) A now obsolete FCC rule required that stations simulcast their SD channel digitally, with HD material of the same show counting as a simulcast. So when NBC showed a different HD feed than the SD feed it has broken this rule. WBAL launched 11.2 to ensure that the SD feed remained simulcasted. WETA also put their SD material on 26.2 where it used to be its own schedule. I think that the FCC finally dropped this mandate (ie WRC never had a 4.2 SD channel for the Olympics).

3. WBAL just does a partial zoom when it broadcasts SD on their 11.1 channel. Different stations have taken different approaches when showed 4:3 material on their 16:9 digital channel. WBAL does a partial zoom/stretch. WJZ puts up gray bars on the sides. WJLA & WB50 used to stretch to fit. UPN24 WUTB does some kinda of partial zoom as well.

4. Your mileage may vary. Keep on eye on it, but WMAR is a strong station, so I don't expect you'll have much of a problem with them.
post #6204 of 8537
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Originally posted by CycloneGT
1. If you are getting all of your locals just fine OTA, then no, you do not need them from Satellite. They are useful if you have other STBs in the house which aren't HD though.
I keep my SD locals since every now & then the OTA towers go down; ie. hurricanes!! The SD sat channels have stayed up.

Also for me I currently cannot get WB, UPN, or NBC via OTA.
post #6205 of 8537
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Originally posted by sat_uplinker
Quote "WJLA has no audio and massive breakups on MNF. WMAR is rock solid."

I called and JLA said it was a network problem, not local. Liars.

Oh yah-

GO EAGLES!

http://www.eaglescentral.com/Eatin_Cowboys.gif

Man, I can't wait until we get to take apart the Redskins next week! :)
Love the graphic! LOL. It was a nice game to watch yesterday. Would not bbe that happy if the same happens to skins though. Have better hopes from Ramsey.
post #6206 of 8537
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Originally posted by tahoerob
I keep my SD locals since every now & then the OTA towers go down; ie. hurricanes!! The SD sat channels have stayed up.

Also for me I currently cannot get WB, UPN, or NBC via OTA.
Yup. I am keeping the locals via satellite for recording stuff since I do not have an HD Tivo or something. I have the Dish 510.
post #6207 of 8537
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Originally posted by CycloneGT

3. WBAL just does a partial zoom when it broadcasts SD on their 11.1 channel. Different stations have taken different approaches when showed 4:3 material on their 16:9 digital channel. WBAL does a partial zoom/stretch. WJZ puts up gray bars on the sides. WJLA & WB50 used to stretch to fit. UPN24 WUTB does some kinda of partial zoom as well.
Doesn't WBAL know how bad the stretched programs look, and that our tvs have the ability to stretch IF we want to watch that way? Not sure why they are doing this.

And on a side note, why aren't Will And Grace and Scrubs in hd yet?
post #6208 of 8537
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Doesn't WBAL know how bad the stretched programs look, and that our tvs have the ability to stretch IF we want to watch that way? Not sure why they are doing this.
I don't think channel 11 does do a stretch. Looks tome like all they do is a zoom.

If you're familiar with video production, this will make sense... What 11 does is zoom in the "Safe Action" area from a 4:3 image, pushing the vertical overscan zone out of the picture on the top and bottom, and including the horizontal overscan left/right in the 16:9 frame. IMO this is a brilliant solution for the problem of showing a 4:3 image on a 16:9 DTV aspect ratio, better than simple sidebars because it uses more of the "picture area" with virtually no loss of "intended" 4:3 picture because of how "Safe Action" and "Safe Title" overscan areas are handled in production. If anyone freom channel 11 is reading this, thanks, keep up the good work.

Here's a link all about overscan in video produciton.
post #6209 of 8537
Thread Starter 
Also if you really dont' like the partial zoom 11.1 then you can watch 11.2 which has no effect applied to it. And since its 480i, more hardware can do their stretch, zoom, crop, etc.....
post #6210 of 8537
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Originally posted by aaronwt
I think they will choke before the championship this time.
Nah, they'll get to the bowl finally and get their asses handed to them by the AFC, I mean look at the rest of their schedule, could it be any easier? We might have an all PA SuperBowl this year unless the Steelers figure out a way to self implode...
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