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post #31 of 67
Uzun,

Just hit the settings button on the remote and go through all the setting. It is in there.
post #32 of 67
TW tells me 3500 HD box has only DVI out. Is that true? Does it have RGB components out so I can use it with my Sony projector (which does not have DVI?)
post #33 of 67
Dossier,

It has composite, s-video, component, and DVI. Component is de-activated when you use DVI.
post #34 of 67
It is amazing how much misinformation TW technical department gives out?
I asked 3 people there
post #35 of 67
It is amazing how much misinformation TW technical department gives out?
I asked 3 people there
post #36 of 67
It is amazing how much misinformation TW technical department gives out?
I asked 3 people there, all said only DVI out
post #37 of 67
I wonder if DVI is enabled by Time Warner San Diego.
post #38 of 67
I have the 3510 hooked via Component cables, and all is fine. If the DVI were enabled would the component not output anything? Or will component outs turn off if I hook up a DVI cable to my TV from the 3510? Or do the component outs and the DVI out work totally independently of one another?
post #39 of 67
Thread Starter 
By design, connecting via DVI disables the component out.
post #40 of 67
Time Warner came over to my NYC apartment today with a 3250 box. It is not HDTV(no RGB outlets). They did not have 3500 or 3510 box (not sure if they are just omitting last 2 digits) So all that is available in NYC, according to servicemam is 3100 HD (I hope he is wrong)
post #41 of 67
Thread Starter 
Dossier, see this thread for an answer:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...er#post2506112
post #42 of 67
The 3510HD does seem to give a much better picture, even with component outs, than the Scientific Atlanta 3100HD ever did.
post #43 of 67
A few Time Warner subscribers locally seem to be using 3510HDs in place of 3100HDs. I've always noticed a faint fog obscuring low-contrast hi-rez details with my 3100HD and earlier 2000HD. Anyone with a 3510HD notice the lack of this fog, or had the chance to A-B compare HD images with OTA, etc.? -- John
post #44 of 67
John, not OTA, but still have a 3100HD along with the 3510 and the 3510's output is much better than the 3100. Cleaner overall. I never had any issues with the picture of the 3100 except the occasional audio and video dropout and the occasional refresh rate stutter you've brought up in the past. They are coming tomorrow and I hope to have a 2nd 3510 to replace the 3100.
post #45 of 67
Well at least I know I'm not going crazy. I live in Manhattan and just received the Pioneer 3500 a couple days ago. Today I tried hooking everything up and I also got the "hook this set top into a HDTV" message. I thought I was doing something wrong but apparently this is a common issue. I have a Samsung HLN 437W. Did someone say these weren't HDCP compliant? I didn't realize that. Did we figure out if this was the reason it's not working or is the DVI out just not enabled? Why would you make a box with DVI out and not enable the DVI port? Seems strange to me.
post #46 of 67
I've got an Adelphia digital cablebox (not HD, of course), and it's got S-vid and it's dead. Looks like they take the mfg's standard box, and turn off features to reduce support overhead (and perhaps their net isn't ready for it).
post #47 of 67
I bought a DVI cable from the good guys, I didn't feel like waiting on mail order. The 3510 from Time Warner San Diego did work fine with DVI, but I think standard definition TV looks better through S-Video. It seems all SDTV through DVI is 480p I can't be sure, but on my 40XBR800 it disables the DRC reality controls so that usually means progressive. The picture is a little cleaner, but the color balance is different than it is on the Component Outs. The component outs on the 3510 are so good, I'm not sure I really recommend DVI out overall. For me it did free up another component video space though, which was nice.
post #48 of 67
Just to let you fellows know, I got the Pioneer 3510 from Time Warner a week ago to replace my SA3100 and it is a better machine. For me the big advantage is being able to change the aspect ratio so as to eliminate the black bars on the sides of SD programming. The HD is a hair better and in side by side comparisons I cannot tell any difference between the 3510 and the direct OTA network programming. It's the same using component cable. My TV is a Pioneer Elite 520 and does not have DVI input so no comment on that aspect. The SD picture taken to the tv before the 3510 is slightly better than after it has gone through the 3510.

Hugh Campbell
Charlotte, NC
post #49 of 67
Everyone,
Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner. I live in NYC and have the 3510HD box from TWC, which I've used with DVI as well as component. I've started another thread with a question about the DVI out, but no one's responded, so maybe you can help. While the DVI out looks great when properly calibrated, it is shifting my HD channels ~2 inches to the left, which is particularly noticeable when there are sidebars on the screen during commercials or non-HD shows. I can also tell that the channel logos are shifted during widescreen material, and the on-screen guide doesn't make it all the way to the edge of the screen on the right. Has anyone encountered this problem, or have a suggestion as to how to fix it either in diagnostic mode or otherwise? I had TWC replace the box, but the new one does it as well. If I reboot the box, it fixes itself only to happen again once I shut it off and turn it on again. I'd agree that the component outs are so good on this box that if I can't clear this up, I'll just switch back to component, which didn't have this problem.

BTW, John Mason, I had the faint fog problem you described with the 3100HD, which is cleared up using the component out on the 3510HD. Thru DVI, it came back because the signal seemed to be amped up with brightness (noted by very noticeable video noise I got on an HD channel without any broadcast signal), but once I calibrated the brightness to the level where I couldn't see any noise on that station, the picture was crystal clear.
post #50 of 67
Quote:
Originally posted by Vermonster
Well at least I know I'm not going crazy. I live in Manhattan and just received the Pioneer 3500 a couple days ago. Today I tried hooking everything up and I also got the "hook this set top into a HDTV" message. I thought I was doing something wrong but apparently this is a common issue. I have a Samsung HLN 437W. Did someone say these weren't HDCP compliant? I didn't realize that. Did we figure out if this was the reason it's not working or is the DVI out just not enabled? Why would you make a box with DVI out and not enable the DVI port? Seems strange to me.
I tried to use the 3510 with my HLM507W, which like your HLN437W, IS HDCP COMPLIANT, so I don't think that's the issue with these boxes. Maybe there's some handshake issue that isn't working between Samsung DLP's and the 3510, but I'd love to hear from someone with Sammy DLP being able to use the DVI output successfully.

Scott B/
post #51 of 67
Me too. Jba87, what TV do you have?
post #52 of 67
Vermonster,
I have the Panasonic TH-42PA20U.
post #53 of 67
That's interesting. A previous poster (I think on a different thread) thought the 3510 just had a problem dealing with any fixed pixel TV. Guess that's ruled out now.
post #54 of 67
cmf,

Have you heard if the any of the TWC locations in Cinci. are giving out the Pioneer Box instead of the SA 3100?
post #55 of 67
Bundy,
I had e-mailed TWC about the new box and they told me to just take my old box into one of the TWC offices and trade it in. I took mine to the Middletown location and they gave me the new Pioneer box. If you aren't lucky the first time you might have to try different locations near you.
post #56 of 67
Quote:
Originally posted by jba87
BTW, John Mason, I had the faint fog problem you described with the 3100HD, which is cleared up using the component out on the 3510HD. Thru DVI, it came back because the signal seemed to be amped up with brightness (noted by very noticeable video noise I got on an HD channel without any broadcast signal), but once I calibrated the brightness to the level where I couldn't see any noise on that station, the picture was crystal clear.
Thanks, jba87. That's the one item I've been tracking. DVI, it appears, wouldn't concern me with an analog-input set, and I don't really have screen-ratio problems. Spent a fair amount of time A-B comparing OTA with the 3100HD YPbPr outputs and the fog really does diminish low-contrast high-rez detail. I'm considering swapping out the 3100HD and adding a SA8000 at the same hookup. Reads like 3510HD/SA8000 users would encounter remote commands triggering both boxes, though. -- John
post #57 of 67
I called TWC in Brooklyn NY on Monday to get my Scientific Atlanta 3100 replaced with a Pioneer box, the girl said no problem and made my appointment for Wednesday. The guy showed up with another 3100 box ;-) I called back and they apologized for the mistake and made another appointment for tomorrow. They just called my today and cancelled because there are no more Pioneer boxes in the warehouse. I was told to call back in a month....anyone able to get a Pioneer box in the last day or so?
Thanks,
Newjack
post #58 of 67
I think you're right about the 3510HD/SA8000; I have the SA8000 hooked up to the bedroom tv and the 3510HD in the living room. The remotes, though, are interchangeable. I've thought about doing the same as you're considering for our living room, because I love the SA8000 DVR, but hardly ever watch TV in the bedroom.
post #59 of 67
fyi

my 3510HD has the DVI out enabled. tested it last night and it looked amazing. I also have the Bravo D1 so now I am trying to figure out how to connect both of them to my toshiba 50hdx82 (only has 1 dvi input)
post #60 of 67
Just thought I would add to the mix. I can't get anyone from TWC or Pioneer to speak intelligently to this problem. I tried the pioneerbroadband.com website, but the contact pages have no Voyager Support phone numbers or emails. TWC couldn't even tell me if the DVI port was disabled or just incompatible.

Member --- Display --- Cable Co. --- Result
dlalande --- Samsung HLN507 --- TWC Los Angeles (Orange County) --- Error message *

Notes:
* Set equipped with DVI+HDCP

Error Message = a three-language black-&-white message indicating that the STB should be hooked up to high-definition television.
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