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post #1291 of 8471
12/24/05 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

I remember being disappointed in this DVD. It was a very cliche' performance. I sold it on EBAY after watching it once.


Their excellent radio tunes of the 70s haven't aged that well... they really needed someone to doctor them up some. Maybe a female vocalist could have guested on a couple tunes, or they could have really rocked out a couple tunes with a flashy guest guitarist. I donno they just played old


I think some of their songs have aged very well, but some were very cookie cutter in nature. I bought this DVD when it was released a few years back and like but don't love it. At the time of the show on disc two members of the original Bad Company weren't around, so I have to wonder if there was more squabbling after the reunited the year before that, leaving the band to become a vehicle for Paul Rodgers' music and voice (which IMO it always was until he left the band....and given Rodgers' great voice I was fine with that).

The fact that there have been no Bad Company tours for a few years and Rodgers taking on the Queen vocals means we have probably seen the last of Bad Company.
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post #1292 of 8471
12/26/05 at 12:45am
Well "Silver, Blue and Gold" is a contender for "aging well", and you could argue about parts of the first album, but I think these songs still need a little help in concert to bring back their luster after all these years. Those power chords just sound a bit bare IMHO.

I love the way the Doobie Brothers just kind of transforms into a "Jam Band" in concert, so their old tunes get a bit of re-interpetation every show. Then theres old rockers that bring in classical instruments into their 30 year old tunes, and Prince will add some trick dance routine and a couple blues players or something

My point is, unless your listening to one of these classic Rock bands where the players keep their skills and creativity relatively sharp (aka Rush ) ...
.... then they often sound downright sily on these concert DVDs ( Bad Company, Styx, Nazareth come to mind) or at the least ... seriously DATED ( Simon and Garfunkle/NYC, Who/Royal Alper Hall, Heart/Seattle).
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post #1293 of 8471
12/26/05 at 9:47am
If a song is good, it transcends time and you don't need to muck around with it to make it better. Frank Sinatra singing I've Got You Under My Skin with Frank in good voice sounds good whether he's 40 or 65--he doesn't need to put a samba beat to it or something to keep it from being "dated". Simon and Garfunkel in Central Park, circa 1983 is a fantastic concert full of classic songs that stand the test of time and don't need to be fooled with to sound "better." While it may be interesting for bands to improvise a little to keep things interesting from time to time, if the songs are good, they'll hold up. That's why you don't have people falling all over themselves to hear songs like Nazi Punks F=== Off.
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post #1294 of 8471
12/26/05 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

Clapton refuses to cut loose with his guitar, especially in joint productions ... his playing on "Concert For George" was so reserved I think it hurt the DVD.

I agree, and have been saying that for years...but hardcore Clapton fans think it's blasphemy.

I really liked how Prince played the lead guitar on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction (a part originally played by Clapton...) The other musicians (Hall of Famers) were just looking over in stunned amazement. Prince out-Claptoned Clapton by a mile.
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post #1295 of 8471
12/26/05 at 12:36pm
I know it's been mentioned before, but I got The Who, Live at the Royal Albert Hall for Christmas, and it is awesome.

16 x 9 anamorphic
DTS 5.1

This disc looks and sounds fantastic. Highly recommended!

Mark
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post #1296 of 8471
12/26/05 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by CineFreak View Post

I personally didn't like Red Square at all.

Back in the US (2002) now that was greeeeeeeat!


Jessica

The great thing about Paul (IF you're a McCartney fan) is the fact that he's been releasing a DVD (or a video that has been released on DVD later) for each tour he's gone on since returning to live performing when he released Flowers In The Dirt waaaay back when.

Get Back
Paul Is Live
Back In The US
Live At Red Square

I'm still hoping for an eventual release of Rockshow from the '76 tour, which was on laserdisc.
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post #1297 of 8471
12/26/05 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by GilWave View Post


Keep in mind that most McCartney fans are watching that DVD on regular CRT TVs, some in stereo still. My wife and her girlfriends love to open a bottle of Cab after dinner and have me crank the 5.1 and they hoot and holler and sing along as if they were in the audience.

When Paul was touring and tickets were $500 apiece, I didn't take my wife to the show even though she's been a fan since 1964. Now, for $19.99 she can watch Paul whenever she likes. She enjoys it tremendously (as she does Party At the Palace, and Live 8, and U2 and Elton John and Rod Stewart and The Who - all bands that she's seen live and loved in her younger days.)

For me, that's one of the reasons I set up a home theatre in the first place. The last time we went to a Dave Matthews concert, we had to walk 3 miles from the parking lot to the venue (Giants Stadium). Long lines and security to get in. Sh*tty seats on the right side of the stage. Small video monitors facing us with small J-configured flying PA. Planes flying overhead from Newark Airport.

After 30 minutes, I turned to my wife and said "do you want to go grab a bottle of wine and watch "Listener Supported" back home?". She readily agreed. 3 miles back to the car through a litter-and-bottle strewn parking lot, 45 minute ride back home and we popped the DVD in and enjoyed a great show in the comfort of our own home, with superior sound and no long lines when the show was over!

I am getting too old to put up with the hassles of major venue concert perfomances (still love small, intimate club shows though), and having to tolerate obnoxiously loud mixes, limited line-of-sight visibility, and expensive food and beer.

SO even if I have to stretch out a 4:3 show to 16:9 (after all, why have all this line-doubling, over-scanning hardware and signal processing if not to optimize less-than-ideal video presentations?) it's still the best use of $19.99 to see that artist. When was the last time you spent $20 on concert tickets?


A post I wholeheartedly agree with. What is a bit suprising to me is how unexcited some of my hardcore music pals are in regards to concert DVDs.....they love listening to their old classic CDs but don't give much thought to sitting down and experiencing the stage performances, and some of these guys are people with a halfway decent A/V setup.

15 years ago when McCartney began touring again I paid a scalping price of $350 for two tickets to the Flowers In the Dirt tour. I had to drive 200 miles each way to get to the show, get a hotel room, and use vacation time to boot in order to do so. I'd do it again but I'm not sure I would do it TODAY.

Today, I know I'm not going to shell out upwards of $250 for a ticket to see the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, the Who and so forth, not to mention making the trip to whatever city they're in, lousy seats, high beverage prices......not when I can sit in the comfort of my home and watch a great show with DTS sound whenever I choose! Is it the same as going to a live show? No, but it's not bad and it's a WHOLE lot cheaper. In the last week I've watched (and thoroughly enjoyed) "Eric Clapton- One More Car One More Rider", "Julia Fordham- That's Live", and "Legends- Live At Montreux 1997" for a total cost out of pocket of about $50.

Is it any wonder so many of us are waiting anxiously for "Pink Floyd- Pulse" to get a DVD release?
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post #1298 of 8471
12/26/05 at 5:16pm
On any format.........

LP, 8 track, cassette, CD, DVD or Live............

Santana,,,,,,,,,anything Santana........
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post #1299 of 8471
12/26/05 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by VanMark View Post

I know it's been mentioned before, but I got The Who, Live at the Royal Albert Hall for Christmas, and it is awesome.

16 x 9 anamorphic
DTS 5.1

This disc looks and sounds fantastic. Highly recommended!

Mark

Just to keep the recommendations balance here - IMO, the audio quality on this disk is really bad and would recommend against buying this disk.

Ed
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post #1300 of 8471
12/26/05 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by squonk View Post

If a song is good, it transcends time and you don't need to muck around with it to make it better.

How come musicians often get so tired of their own "hits", that they cant bear to play them for years on end? I cant blame them, if I were Jimmy Page, I wouldnt want to hear myself play "Stairway To Heaven" for 20 years either. That doesnt mean its not a great tune, its just way overplayed...

Frank Sinatra never really had that problem, probably because he wasn't a real musician, he was a paid entertainer. I bet if you did a study, Frank Sinatra CDs would be tops on the list of CDs owned by people who own only one CD. They have Frank Sinatra CD (only) in their car, and they never listen to it.

IMHO Its music for people who generally dislike music. Talented singer for sure, but thats about as far as he goes for me.
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post #1301 of 8471
12/26/05 at 10:04pm
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

...Frank Sinatra never really had that problem, probably because he wasn't a real musician, he was a paid entertainer. I bet if you did a study, Frank Sinatra CDs would be tops on the list of CDs owned by people who own only one CD. They have Frank Sinatra CD (only) in their car, and they never listen to it.

IMHO Its music for people who generally dislike music. Talented singer for sure, but thats about as far as he goes for me.

Wipe your mouth out, oh-ye-of-little-taste.
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post #1302 of 8471
12/26/05 at 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

Frank Sinatra never really had that problem, probably because he wasn't a real musician, he was a paid entertainer. I bet if you did a study, Frank Sinatra CDs would be tops on the list of CDs owned by people who own only one CD. They have Frank Sinatra CD (only) in their car, and they never listen to it.

IMHO Its music for people who generally dislike music. Talented singer for sure, but thats about as far as he goes for me.

Strange, but that's the exact opposite of my experience.

I have several friends who are either audiophiles or just music lovers in general. All have close to 1000 (or more) CD's. All have (and love) Sinatra. It's the music of choice for Thanksgiving morning pre-Turkey Bowl breakfast, as well. (Oh, and we're all in our early to late 30's, so it's not like we're the geriatric crowd...)

So, I guess I'd take that bet...(on the study.) My money would be on a Celine Dion CD.
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post #1303 of 8471
12/27/05 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

How come musicians often get so tired of their own "hits", that they cant bear to play them for years on end? I cant blame them, if I were Jimmy Page, I wouldnt want to hear myself play "Stairway To Heaven" for 20 years either. That doesnt mean its not a great tune, its just way overplayed...

Frank Sinatra never really had that problem, probably because he wasn't a real musician, he was a paid entertainer. I bet if you did a study, Frank Sinatra CDs would be tops on the list of CDs owned by people who own only one CD. They have Frank Sinatra CD (only) in their car, and they never listen to it.

IMHO Its music for people who generally dislike music. Talented singer for sure, but thats about as far as he goes for me.

You have to be kidding. Any serious lover of music I know would consider Sinatra albums essential to their music collection. His diction and phrasing are the virtual blueprint for vocal music for the last half century. No, he's not a musician, but I think most people would agree that his voice is his instrument. His understanding of tempo, rhythm, and melody is virtually perfect, and his influence, like the Beatles and Dylan, is virtually immeasurable on 20th century music.

I wonder if Bono, a certifiable Frank fan, has only one CD in his collection. Come to think of it, I don't think I know anyone with just one CD.

IMHO, people who don't like or understand the impact of Sinatra, and pass him off as just some singer, fundamentally don't understand music.
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post #1304 of 8471
12/27/05 at 5:12am
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Originally Posted by Gecko85 View Post

So, I guess I'd take that bet...(on the study.) My money would be on a Celine Dion CD.

that would be a pretty good bet too. Or Manstiem SteemRoller Christmas CD... not bad musicians, but their audience is kind of musically suspect Or the people that go to Blue Man Group concerts.

I am being a judgemental ass for a minute, let me just retract everything I said. Bing & Company are fine. Good songs can be overplayed though..
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post #1305 of 8471
12/27/05 at 5:25am
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I wonder if Bono, a certifiable Frank fan, has only one CD in his collection.

Well theres lots of us from my generation (40-ish) that think U2 are the original poseurs; But hey, who am I to argue with success? I like him a as a world citizen and centralist activist though ...
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post #1306 of 8471
12/27/05 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by ekb View Post

Just to keep the recommendations balance here - IMO, the audio quality on this disk is really bad and would recommend against buying this disk.

I agree with Ed... VERY disappointing audio quality, I haven't watched it again because of that. NOT recommended.
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post #1307 of 8471
12/27/05 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

IMHO Its music for people who generally dislike music. Talented singer for sure, but thats about as far as he goes for me.

How sad for you.

Listen to the arrangements. Frank hired the bands, the orchestras. The songwriters who wrote the songs were real pros. The arrangements were by talented conductors, played by real musicians with taste and style.

If you want to say that you do not like the music or stylings of Sinatra, then that is our opinion and you are entitled to it. But to make a generalized statement that it's for people who don't like music goes beyond opinion into insult.

Most everyone who posts on AVS likes music or they wouldn't be here. And I would venture a guess that many of us like, admire and respect Sinatra throughout most phases of his career.

He could nail a phrase or vocal performance ike no one before or since, and his timing was impeccable. A friend who worked with him on the "Duets" record told me that Frank came in to the studio to cut one of the tunes, put the headphones on and laid down three vocals for that particular track. He took the headphones off and said "You've got what you need" and left the studio.

No producer required. Frank knew that he nailed the essence of the performance in those three takes, and the engineer could cut and splice together what he needed to finish the tune. I don't know of one vocalist today that could pull that off.

And while I'm at it, Mannheim Steamroller (essentially, Chip Davis and Co.) rock the holidays, and their Christmas DVD is a perennial favorite in my house, along with the Trans Siberian Orchestra Christmas DVD. The Blue Man Group Complex Rock Tour Live is an incredible DVD, also a favorite in my house and one of my key demo discs for showing off the power of 5.1 and home theater.
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post #1308 of 8471
12/27/05 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by GilWave View Post


No producer required. Frank knew that he nailed the essence of the performance in those three takes, and the engineer could cut and splice together what he needed to finish the tune. I don't know of one vocalist today that could pull that off.

Sinatra, if alive today, would be someone that Rick Rubin would want to work with in order to get the very best of the man in his twilight years as he did with Johnny Cash and now Neil Diamond. Incredible voice and some incredible recordings throughout his career.
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post #1309 of 8471
12/27/05 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Nightmaster View Post

Sinatra, if alive today, would be someone that Rick Rubin would want to work with in order to get the very best of the man in his twilight years as he did with Johnny Cash and now Neil Diamond. Incredible voice and some incredible recordings throughout his career.

Those Capitol albums from the 50's and early 60's, now remastered, sound so punchy in the uptempo numbers and lush with strings in the slow songs, and that baritone voice on a decent stereo system pops out from the soundstage that you would swear he's right in the room with you. I never get tired of listening to the Come Dance With Me album--the quintessential swinging album. I just turned 46 btw, so I'm not some old Sinatra fogey who grew up a bobbysoxer....
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post #1310 of 8471
12/27/05 at 9:31am
This sums up just about everything good in home theater. Would love to see concerts live, but the cost, crowds, and never ending rudeness of people dictate otherwise.

I'm off work, listening to music videos all day (EC - one more car, RW - in the flesh...) enough said...


Gilwave Wrote...
When Paul was touring and tickets were $500 apiece, I didn't take my wife to the show even though she's been a fan since 1964. Now, for $19.99 she can watch Paul whenever she likes. She enjoys it tremendously (as she does Party At the Palace, and Live 8, and U2 and Elton John and Rod Stewart and The Who - all bands that she's seen live and loved in her younger days.)

For me, that's one of the reasons I set up a home theatre in the first place. The last time we went to a Dave Matthews concert, we had to walk 3 miles from the parking lot to the venue (Giants Stadium). Long lines and security to get in. Sh*tty seats on the right side of the stage. Small video monitors facing us with small J-configured flying PA. Planes flying overhead from Newark Airport.

After 30 minutes, I turned to my wife and said "do you want to go grab a bottle of wine and watch "Listener Supported" back home?". She readily agreed. 3 miles back to the car through a litter-and-bottle strewn parking lot, 45 minute ride back home and we popped the DVD in and enjoyed a great show in the comfort of our own home, with superior sound and no long lines when the show was over!

I am getting too old to put up with the hassles of major venue concert perfomances (still love small, intimate club shows though), and having to tolerate obnoxiously loud mixes, limited line-of-sight visibility, and expensive food and beer.

SO even if I have to stretch out a 4:3 show to 16:9 (after all, why have all this line-doubling, over-scanning hardware and signal processing if not to optimize less-than-ideal video presentations?) it's still the best use of $19.99 to see that artist. When was the last time you spent $20 on concert tickets?
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post #1311 of 8471
12/27/05 at 3:19pm
Could not agree more. great post! Thanks.
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12/27/05 at 4:26pm
It seems like every city has an acoustically ExCELLENT concert hall these days... and thats where I see concerts.

Whether it be the Rush at the rebuilt and acoustically fine Hollywood Bowl, or Jewel at the Sensuous Thousand Oaks Civic Center, or the upcoming David Gilmour at the acoustically near perfect Universal Ampitheater, concerts are still excellent experiences if you skip the stadiums
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post #1313 of 8471
12/27/05 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by GilWave View Post

I agree with Ed... VERY disappointing audio quality, I haven't watched it again because of that. NOT recommended.

GilWave - I'm glad that you agree with me. I've posted that opinion here several times and it seems like nobody ever agrees with me. They start speculating whether my copy is defective or something wrong with my system. I think the fundamental problem is that people get too caught up with good music and a great performance and interpret that as a good recording.

Ed
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12/27/05 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

IMHO Its music for people who generally dislike music. Talented singer for sure, but thats about as far as he goes for me.


Cole Porter must be rolling in his grave over that remark......

BTW, what happened to the picture? Hope its not on my account.
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12/27/05 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by ekb View Post

They start speculating whether my copy is defective or something wrong with my system. I think the fundamental problem is that people get too caught up with good music and a great performance and interpret that as a good recording.

Easy way out for some. If our copies are defective, then so are my ears. 1's and 0's are either there, or not. And there are 44,100 chances PER SECOND to get it right.

Nope - my guess is it was a bad recording, or it would have showed up as a live album back in the day.
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12/27/05 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by Nightmaster View Post

The great thing about Paul (IF you're a McCartney fan) is the fact that he's been releasing a DVD (or a video that has been released on DVD later) for each tour he's gone on since returning to live performing when he released Flowers In The Dirt waaaay back when.

Get Back
Paul Is Live
Back In The US
Live At Red Square

I'm still hoping for an eventual release of Rockshow from the '76 tour, which was on laserdisc.

Agree re: Back in the US and Red Square. Get back is mediocre at best, Paul is Live is embarrrassing.

Would LOVE to see Wings at the Speed of Sound remastered in 5.1 with video sweetening. Also, Tripping the Live Fantastic would be great to see as a DVD as well.

-g
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post #1317 of 8471
12/27/05 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by GilWave View Post

Easy way out for some. If our copies are defective, then so are my ears. 1's and 0's are either there, or not. And there are 44,100 chances PER SECOND to get it right.

Nope - my guess is it was a bad recording, or it would have showed up as a live album back in the day. With Freddie dead, somone figured any content was better than no content.

Oh no, not again.

There is nothing wrong with this recording. I have played this numerous times on my system for myself and others and the sound is excellent, nothing less than I would expect from Image Entertainment.
If it was that bad, I would think the rating at IMDB would be less than stellar. But with 64 votes giving it an 8.6/10, that tells me its not just me that thinks this DVD concert is not as bad as you two make it out to be.

Funny thing, out of all the members on this forum, you guys are both from Jersey....maybe an eastern thing?
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12/27/05 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

Oh no, not again.

There is nothing wrong with this recording. I have played this numerous times on my system for myself and others and the sound is excellent, nothing less than I would expect from Image Entertainment.

Compared to what? A Night at the Opera? What is your reference 5.1 concert disc that you are using to declare this one excellent?

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If it was that bad, I would think the rating at IMDB would be less than stellar. But with 64 votes giving it an 8.6/10, that tells me its not just me that thinks this DVD concert is not as bad as you two make it out to be.

64 votes?!?? Out of how many copies sold? What does the "M" in IMDB stand for - Music? No - Movies.

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Funny thing, out of all the members on this forum, you guys are both from Jersey....maybe an eastern thing?

Low blow. Perhaps we hear better on the East Coast. Or perhaps we hold Concert DVDs to a higher standard out here.

I have hundreds of Concert DVDs, I am in the recording industry, and I know a good mix when I hear it - and this DVD does NOT contain a good mix, by anyone's estimation. Put it up against Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Paul McCartney, The Eagles, Paul Simon, or any other reference Concert DVDs mentioned on these boards and you will find it pales by comparison.
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post #1319 of 8471
12/27/05 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by GilWave View Post

I have hundreds of Concert DVDs, I am in the recording industry, and I know a good mix when I hear it - and this DVD does NOT contain a good mix, by anyone's estimation. Put it up against Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Paul McCartney, The Eagles, Paul Simon, or any other reference Concert DVDs mentioned on these boards and you will find it pales by comparison.

I happen to think the sound is perfectly fine. I think it's better then Growing Up Live, but not as good as The Eagles, the Simon one in Paris (forgot the name) or Roger Waters.

You don't like it, great, don't listen to it. Others here, including me, think it sounds pretty good. So your attempt at making your opinion universal
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this DVD does NOT contain a good mix, by anyone's estimation

fails and
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you will find it pales in comparison

is also inaccurate. I respect your opinion, but you might want to consider not telling others what opinions they should have.
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12/28/05 at 6:10am
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I happen to think the sound is perfectly fine.

Then I am happy for you. My beef was that Yosh claimed the sound was "excellent", and in that case I ask "compared to what?"

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You don't like it, great, don't listen to it.

I don't. And I won't. I am only sorry that I spent the money on it, as I love The Who, have seen them many times live and I wanted it to kick ass, and it doesn't.

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Others here, including me, think it sounds pretty good. So your attempt at making your opinion universal fails I respect your opinion, but you might want to consider not telling others what opinions they should have.

I am not telling you what kind of opinion to have, only trying to quantify the AQ of this disc or the sake of the thread title. If you say you like it, fine. You say it sounds "pretty good", fine. But when someone says it is "excellent", I have to question their judgement and their point of reference, because it clearly is not excellent.

And IMHO, with the technology available today and the mix engineers with surround chops out there, just good enough isn't good enough when it comes to a legendary band like The Who.
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