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post #841 of 8504
I agree about the impact that concert DVD's have on visitors, friends, family. I mean, I used to demo HT scenes, like SPR beach scene, LOTR, Blade, etc. I've kind of lost interest in demoing HT to people, and frankly, I think lots of people have been there done that by this point.

But pop in Clapton One More Car One More Rider, Springsteen Live in NYC, DMB Central Park, Taylor Live at the Beacon, U2, on and on, and people are pretty much always blown away and just sit there listening.

Concert DVD's are truly an incredible bargain at $15-$20 bucks a pop. Especially since I don't really have much of a chance with a 6 month old to go to concerts anymore (which also means I don't spend $200 for my wife and I to see a fleeting concert live--not to diminish the benefits of seeing a great show live).
post #842 of 8504
I disagree a bit with some of these observations. I now find myself less impressed with live shows where crappy arena acoustics and/or poor sound mixing butchers the presentation. There is nothing like live if you have great acoustics but most performances are in very poor acoustical environments.

I only have a midfi system (spent around $7K CDN on it or $5750 US) but a well recorded DVD concert on my system blows away most live arena shows sound wise. Of course the mosh pit is much smaller in my theater...

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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

Depends on the sound system as well. I have about 3k invested in my sound system, decidedly midrange by AVS standards, but very good when compared to the teaming masses

When I go to a good live show, I am usually humbled by the experience, which is often much more dynamic than my midrange setup can handle. Now I have heard $15k stereo speakers hooked up to 200 pounds of amplifiers that sound very dynamic, but ... how many of us can justify that?

Jewel just blew me away, the DVD presentation didnt really compare to her at the Thousand Oaks Civic Center. Her acoustic guitar and voice have so many undertones and resonances that do not seem to get captured on digital media.

Still I love concert DVDs, and some of them do seem to come pretty close to perfect... a nice $20k sound setup would get us even closer to concert quality.
post #843 of 8504
Well avoid arena shows like the plague. They are built for sports, and are generally horrible for concerts.

Enclosed concert halls are generally the best, with outdoor ampitheaters also very good.
post #844 of 8504
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

When I go to a good live show, I am usually humbled by the experience, which is often much more dynamic than my midrange setup can handle.

I don't think that it has anything to do with a "midrange" system. The "high end" system will be no better in the dynamics (although other aspects certainly can be). The problem is with the RECORDING ENGINEERS. Maybe they had some limited excuse back in the vinyl days, but certainly not with today's digital media. It is true that live events sound quite different than our recordings and the applied compression is a huge factor. It's just not necessary with DVDs - in fact the movie industry applies very dramatic dynamics - and lots of people complain they have too much!

So I've been complaining about this for a long time - for example The Who Live at Albert Hall that was mentioned recently. And just to repeat myself - my vinyl record has more dynamics than the DVD. I think we have a real problem with completely incompetent audio engineers.

Ed
post #845 of 8504
I agree with the general gist of what your saying EKB, but...

When a drummer kicks a real bass drum, thats can be about 5000 watts of power. Does your sub have that?

When a 6 inch mid-bass driver trys to reproduce all the tones emmited by a hand-crafted cello that costs as much as an Audi...

When a 3/4 inch soft dome tweeter tries to replace a speed guitarist working the feedback against a wall of marshall amps...

Something just gets lost in that translation ...
post #846 of 8504
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

I agree with the general gist of what your saying EKB, but...

When a drummer kicks a real bass drum, thats can be about 5000 watts of power. Does your sub have that?

When a 6 inch mid-bass driver trys to reproduce all the tones emmited by a hand-crafted cello that costs as much as an Audi...

When a 3/4 inch soft dome tweeter tries to replace a speed guitarist working the feedback against a wall of marshall amps...

Something just gets lost in that translation ...

Part of the need for power in live music reproduction is due to the environment of the performance. Most live music performances are done is places significantly larger than your typical home theater.

A well recorded live performance played back on a decent sound system can produce both dynamics and SQ that come very close to the original performance. Often times the overall results of a recording are better than the live experience due to seating location and sound problems inherent in the venue itself.

With my system, I can recreate the sensation of feeling as well as hearing a kick drum, although I tend to not listen to an entire performance at that volume level at home. At a life concert, you don't have a choice.
post #847 of 8504
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

I agree with the general gist of what your saying EKB, but...

When a drummer kicks a real bass drum, thats can be about 5000 watts of power. Does your sub have that?

Close - but that's besides the point. I agree that you need lots of power (and all the other things you elude to) to be able to reproduce in a manner similar to the live event. But my point was that the live dynamic that would require all that power was lost when the recording engineer compressed it. So it doesn't matter that you might have a 5000W sub - the recording doesn't capture the transient that could take advantage of it.

Mind you, there are audiophile recordings that strive to do that, but I have not come across ANY DVD concerts that do - even the ones that people rave about here - as good as they are. For one thing, the DVD concerts start off on the wrong foot by using lossy compressed formats like DD or DTS.

Ed
post #848 of 8504
Some very good posts here on both sides of the issue. Can't really disagree with much that's been said. I've certainly been to many concerts where either the venue (large arena), seating position (off to the side or too far back), equipment (distortion levels or not set up properly), or even the artist (bad night or uninspired performance) made me wish I were at home, listening/watching their best DVD. On the other hand, when everthing is "right" there is nothing like being there to experience and hear them live.

I would also add that in addition to the quality of the recording the system your playing it on and the size of your theatre/listening room can make it much more realistic. Having the ability to play all frequencies LOUD with NO AUDIBLE DISTORTION in a BIG ROOM with a BIG SCREEN can elevate the experience tremendously. I think many quality home theatres can do this to varying degress, but oftentimes the bass is either overemphasized, or its noticeably directional, or it's too boomy. It needs to be very tight and powerful when called upon, but not overwhelm the vocals and other instruments.

I've often wished that I could buy concert DVD's that contain true high resolution (DVD-A or SACD-quality) sound - maybe the new format(s) when it/they arrive will get us closer to this ideal.
post #849 of 8504
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Originally Posted by jeffrey r View Post

I agree about the impact that concert DVD's have on visitors, friends, family. I mean, I used to demo HT scenes, like SPR beach scene, LOTR, Blade, etc. I've kind of lost interest in demoing HT to people, and frankly, I think lots of people have been there done that by this point.

But pop in Clapton One More Car One More Rider, Springsteen Live in NYC, DMB Central Park, Taylor Live at the Beacon, U2, on and on, and people are pretty much always blown away and just sit there listening.

Concert DVD's are truly an incredible bargain at $15-$20 bucks a pop. Especially since I don't really have much of a chance with a 6 month old to go to concerts anymore (which also means I don't spend $200 for my wife and I to see a fleeting concert live--not to diminish the benefits of seeing a great show live).

Lots of truth to this. People can vary greatly on what kind of movies they like, but put in a great concert DVD by a wonderful artist and you'll get their attention pretty quick. They'll be listening for things they probably wouldn't have otherwise had they simply been watching a movie. Many music DVDs seem to take greater advantage of the fact you have more channels to work with, adding spaciousness and depth to the material, probably because they aren't following a movie which in many cases may just not have been produced to take much advantage of the 5.1 format. Is it the same as going to a concert? No way it could be, but it's $50 and much more cheaper and incredibly convenient....and for what it is it can sound very, VERY good with decent to great equipment......
post #850 of 8504
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

Depends on the sound system as well. I have about 3k invested in my sound system, decidedly midrange by AVS standards, but very good when compared to the teaming masses


The truth is that most people don't come close to that where the teaming masses are concerned. A disturbing number of them buy their new bigscreen at the local electronics store and buy their audio system in a box as an inexpensive afterthought....they've just dropped a few grand on the TV and they don't have the cash to worry nearly so much about how it sounds, so often times the salesperson will make them a 'deal' by throwing in a same brand audio package to guarantee the sale. My system falls in the 3k neighborhood as well, if that much, middling at best by AVS standards.....but in a whole different league compared to the dreck some of my friends own. People who put together their audio system piece by piece, upgrading, tweaking, always looking for that little something they feel they don't yet have are fewer and fewer today....but then have someone over who owns one of those $300 HTIB audio packages.....he/she hears what HT is capable of sounding like with a concert of one of their favorite artists and see how they foam at the mouth!
post #851 of 8504
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I couldnt agree more. I have about 80 concerts or collections of video DVD's, mostly concerts, and with good sound system, its like being at the concert. I think a lot of people are unaware of these and how good they are. I have had friends and relatives over and I will play a concert for them, and they are astounded, and they will say "I didnt even know these existed". I watch more concerts than movies, even though I own more movie dvd's. How do we get the word out about this?

I think much of the problem is marketing. In the stores I go to they tend to be shoved over in a little area by themselves with audio CDs, not nearly enough room to see what the selection is, while the new flavor of the week movie DVDs are given big bold spaces to shine. Getting some of the bigger chain rental stores to carry them and display them properly would probably help their sales as well.
Channels like HBO used to frequently broadcast concerts by big name artists currently on tour and it seems to me that would be an excellent way to advertise a current release for music DVDs....these days you MIGHT see two or three concerts a year on HBO, then again, you might not. I have diehard music pals who talk bands and music with me at work frequently and they'll bring up this old gem or this new CD, asking if I have it or am buying it- then I'll ask if they've seen or heard of a concert DVD by the same artist and their faces draw a blank......
post #852 of 8504
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Originally Posted by jeffrey r View Post

I agree about the impact that concert DVD's have on visitors, friends, family. I mean, I used to demo HT scenes, like SPR beach scene, LOTR, Blade, etc. I've kind of lost interest in demoing HT to people, and frankly, I think lots of people have been there done that by this point.

But pop in Clapton One More Car One More Rider, Springsteen Live in NYC, DMB Central Park, Taylor Live at the Beacon, U2, on and on, and people are pretty much always blown away and just sit there listening.

I'm with you on this one. The Clapton video is great, as is my 'ace in the hole' - "Roy Orbison Black and White Night", which is now my favorite demo disc. My guests are absolutely entranced by the sound of these discs, and almost always ask if the demo can be extended to "just one more song."

htomei
post #853 of 8504
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

Based on this review I bought this DVD. I agree its very high quality sound and video. Coldplay is a real band, with their own non-commericial style, and some individuality. That says something in this day and age.

I use the word "some" because they remind me of U2, which to me, is not necessarily a good thing. I can handle male-vocal crooning for 1 or 2 songsin a row, maybe even 3 songs, but them I am crooned out! This singer croons the whole show...

The video editing is also too fast. they rarely hold a shot for longer than 2 seconds, and there are too many 1 second shots ... quite annoying when your watching a full concert, to have the editor relentlessly changing shots the whole time.

Anyways, I will watch this band develop a bit more, they are pretty good, and if you like U2, you may may well like Coldplay...

____________________________________________________________ ___

Coldplay is the first of the more recent groups that get my juices going. This is one of my favorite groups as I move into my 40's.... Not only are they for real, they might eventually become the biggest selling and best artists of all time...

Their first attempt at a DVD disappointed me. I am with John that the angles of this concert were all over the map. Editing probably not from coffee but maybe something "speedier"....

Putting that aside there is some great music on this DVD. "Yellow" is one of my favorites period...

Their latest album, "X&Y" is one of my all time favorite albums. If they make a second DVD concert based on this Album and Tour, I am sure the video production will be much better. I absolutely recommend this CD. This is one of the best CD's I have purchased in recent memory if you like this kind of music. Let's hope the video is better for DVD 2....

Their first DVD is recommended for it's sound quality and not so much it's video quality. "X&Y" will make one hell of a second tour DVD.....

I have purchased all three of their CD's in the last two month's. Guess I am becoming a fan...

Rick

edited out some personal info..
post #854 of 8504
Once again this thread lead me to a concert DVD I knew nothing about but am now so happy to have. My "Music For Montserrat" DVD arrived today and I love it. How I missed this one I don't know. This one is great. The DTS sound is excellent. The PQ is very good, although 4:3. Thanks again for helping me find another great DVD to add to my collection.
post #855 of 8504
Styx figured out in the late '70s , that if you crafted a song with the right mix of:
1. glittery guitar and keyboards
2. layered choruses and well produced vocals
3. a simple but interesting single theme
4. And a good dose of generic talent on the vocals and instruments

... that the radio audiences would love the tune, and run out and buy the album!

STYX was hugely successful, and bands like Kansas and Boston copied the STYX formula to great effect.

Back in the late 70s I enjoyed hearing a Styx song on the radio, and would ponder why their albums fell completely flat. After all, the albums generally had 3 or more good hits on them. Later I realized it was because they were formulated songs, more engineered than written.

"Return To Paradise" is a not an awful concert, but its pretty bad. Styx is made up of a bunch of good guys who know how to play, and its almost worth it to watch Tommy Shaw play 10 different guitars, but... I never got past the fact that I was listening to a STYX churn out their sterile radio products, one at a time.

STYX hammed up the stage show as much as they could. At one point they lined up all 3 guitarists in an awesome wall of guitar ... too bad it was during a keyboard solo...

And the playing was off key part of the time. The song timing also seemed speeded up, ugh. Regardless, the audience absolutely didn't mind, in fact they LOVED IT. I saw this band back in the 70s also, and loved it, so I don't fault them.

Audio quality is very generic, I basically was not impressed. It was "fine" but never excelled. I felt like I was listening to a compressed signal that always stayed between 100HZ and 10KHZ .

Video quality was mediocre also. Never terrible, but basic resolution and contrast.

Overall, I would pass on this one, but they are a good formula 70s band, better than most, and they put on a decent show.
post #856 of 8504
Just got this for my birthday. INCREDIBLE concert DVD, IMO! The music is really amazing. I am a big fan of Bruuuce, but I think most will enjoy this. It was made at Town Hall, New York. The band is at the top of their form. If all you know of Bruce Hornsby is 'The way it is' from 1986, you will be amazed at the range of his music. This DVD showcases some of his best songs, and the improvisation he does so well. There is also a fine documentary about the concerts and Bruce and the band, including a great version of 'Resting Place' recorded at the Blue Note. The sound is excellent, although I only have stereo, so I can't comment on the 5.1. The color is rather uneven, especially on the documentary. One annoying thing is the concert is in non-anamorphic widescreen, but certain shots (of the drummer, mostly) are in full aspect widescreen. Why would they do that? Anyway, other than that this was a great DVD experience. I would recommend it to any fans of great music.
post #857 of 8504
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Originally Posted by JohnR_IN_LA View Post

Styx figured out in the late '70s , that if you crafted a song with the right mix of:
1. glittery guitar and keyboards
2. layered choruses and well produced vocals
3. a simple but interesting single theme
4. And a good dose of generic talent on the vocals and instruments

... that the radio audiences would love the tune, and run out and buy the album!

STYX was hugely successful, and bands like Kansas and Boston copied the STYX formula to great effect.

Back in the late 70s I enjoyed hearing a Styx song on the radio, and would ponder why their albums fell completely flat. After all, the albums generally had 3 or more good hits on them. Later I realized it was because they were formulated songs, more engineered than written.

"Return To Paradise" is a not an awful concert, but its pretty bad. Styx is made up of a bunch of good guys who know how to play, and its almost worth it to watch Tommy Shaw play 10 different guitars, but... I never got past the fact that I was listening to a STYX churn out their sterile radio products, one at a time.

STYX hammed up the stage show as much as they could. At one point they lined up all 3 guitarists in an awesome wall of guitar ... too bad it was during a keyboard solo...

And the playing was off key part of the time. The song timing also seemed speeded up, ugh. Regardless, the audience absolutely didn't mind, in fact they LOVED IT. I saw this band back in the 70s also, and loved it, so I don't fault them.

Audio quality is very generic, I basically was not impressed. It was "fine" but never excelled. I felt like I was listening to a compressed signal that always stayed between 100HZ and 10KHZ .

Video quality was mediocre also. Never terrible, but basic resolution and contrast.

Overall, I would pass on this one, but they are a good formula 70s band, better than most, and they put on a decent show.

John, tell us how ya really feel

Actually I'm a fan of this disc, but Styx is pretty nostalgic for me as well.....I saw them in the 70's as an opening band for KISS. Before seeing this DVD I probably hadn't listened to any of their music for 10 years, which bespeaks of what you're saying, music crafted on formula and not really missed if you don't hear it for a long time. I thought the whole of the disc was pretty good, but I;ve been known to grade kindly if I like the band.
post #858 of 8504
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Originally Posted by ekb View Post

I don't think that it has anything to do with a "midrange" system. The "high end" system will be no better in the dynamics (although other aspects certainly can be). The problem is with the RECORDING ENGINEERS. Maybe they had some limited excuse back in the vinyl days, but certainly not with today's digital media. It is true that live events sound quite different than our recordings and the applied compression is a huge factor. It's just not necessary with DVDs - in fact the movie industry applies very dramatic dynamics - and lots of people complain they have too much!

So I've been complaining about this for a long time - for example The Who Live at Albert Hall that was mentioned recently. And just to repeat myself - my vinyl record has more dynamics than the DVD. I think we have a real problem with completely incompetent audio engineers.

Ed

It's not quite that simple. I have done some work as an audio engineer some time ago, when digital recording devices were just becoming available to smaller studio's. Neither digital nor analog recording equipment have unlimited dynamic range, and also an analog mike for instance will allready compress the signal to some extent. The recording engineer will have to make sure the recorded signal does not get either too low (no dynamic range) or too out of recording range (signal will flatline). Compressor/limiters are used on virtually every signal path to make sure the recorded signal is within range. The mixing engineers job is totally different. He/she is responsible for mixing it all together, often also making sure instruments don't interfere with eachother sonically. That also means the final product sounds much more polished than a live event ever could (because a live mixing engineer doesn't have the time and in most cases the equipment to polish a live mix).

I do agree with you that the full dynamic range digital recording techniques offer today are not often used to its fullest. But i think that's only part of the problem. Today's live concerts are edited and mixed to perfection. Every little flaw is filtered out, or the mixed is tweaked and polished to make every little detail audible. Sometimes that's a good thing. But sometimes it would be OK and even desireable for the sound to be more raw, and much closer to how it sounded at the event.
post #859 of 8504
Speaking of bad sound recording - I just bought Joni Mitchell's, "Painting With Words and Music," which has some of the worst audio I have heard in a relatively modern dvd performance effort (1999). Some of it had to be attributable to her choice of electric guitar and her fading vocal abilities, but the sound engineer should still be shot.

Joni's words must be discernable and clear for her music to come out, and when they do not, then the performance is meaningless, as here. Anyone have a recommendation of a good Mitchell disc?
post #860 of 8504
Good thread!
I just picked up Roger Waters In the Flesh & BS Live In New York. I would have never given these disks a second look as not for this thread. I like both artists but my tastes prefer other genres. Good concerts!

Id like to know if anyone has seen any DVD's from these artists:
Nick Cave
Tom Waits
Kate Bush
Tool
Pogues
Clash..... Stuff of this genre.

Currently I own very few concert DVD's but that will soon change. Years ago, when I first built a HT, I purchased Sarah McLachlan Mirror Ball and Eagle HFO. Some mixed reviews in this thread on the Sarah disk but I truly enjoy it. Pq is ok, Sonicaly I think its a good mix. I also had a Dead Can Dance DVD. Interesting Band. I'll have to find where I placed it....curious to see how it sounds.

A great music Documentary DVD is The Sex Pistols The Filth And The Fury. Even If you Don't appreciate the band it's a very entertaining movie.

BTW, did anyone see Punk Attitude on IFC? Some great stuff... New York Dolls, Ramones, Iggy Pop, The Clash etc.... well worth a viewing. These Bands pathed the way to much of what we hear today.

Jeff
post #861 of 8504
Btw the Bruce Hornsby Concert was shot in HD and has been shown on INHD.
post #862 of 8504
I saw Dead Can Dance, they put on an interesting show. I guess they are defunct now (?).

I'd like to read a review on the disc, if you happen to find it.
post #863 of 8504
John,
I found my disk but it turned into a VHS....hah! My memory must be going. I did a search for DCD & from what I see they do have this concert on DVD but is only PAL. Also, reviews state the VHS is actually better. Must be a bad transfer. Oh well, I no longer have a VHS player so no review for now. It was good though. Only 2.0, but directed by the guy who made Baraka.

In looking for Dead Can Dance info I was reminded of a band I once liked. Portishead. Anyone seen their live DVD? Some reviews were very favorable of it.

Jeff

BTW. I saw DCD are back together for a tour. Late Sept in the states. I would recommend seeing them if you get a chance. Lisa Gerard is an amazing vocalist for the band!
post #864 of 8504
Yea they are a great show, and completely unique.

Almost like Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno, and Sade making a band, lol
post #865 of 8504
Sonet.md, my perenieal recomendation (for Punk sensibilities) : "Siouxsie and the Banshees" "Seven Year Itch" DVD.
Another new fun one I got recently, "Oingo Boingo", their one and only concert DVD, their farewell concert, on Halloween. How cool can you get? Recorded in 3/4 video but very clean, as far as audio, well, this IS Danny Elfman we're talkin' bout here! Funny, but it really does sound better loud!!
post #866 of 8504
Since a lot of you guys helped me picking out some good concert DVD's I thought I would make this my fist post and keep this discussion rolling I only have seven concert DVD's to review the first one I got was Eagles H.F.O and after reading this forum I think everyone has it ...or should. Then it was Matchbox Twenty if you like their music you should like this DVD PQ is great....Then I got ripped off by buying Kiss live in las vegas and started reading this forum and got Elton John one night only.... sounds great but PQ sucks. Bee Gees one night only.... great sound and PQ about as good as H.F.O . next it was E.L.O zoom great sound and PQ . I just got Stevie Ray Vaughan live at montreux but have not opened it. can anyone tell me out of the three DVDs that he has out witch one should I have.
post #867 of 8504
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Originally Posted by football---fan View Post

.... I just got Stevie Ray Vaughan live at montreux but have not opened it. can anyone tell me out of the three DVDs that he has out witch one should I have.

'Montreaux' is two very different shows.
The first is his debut there, where he gets 'discovered' by Daid Bowie and Jackson Browne. He's not too well received by the crowd, but still smokes the place.
The audio is a live board feed. That's all that exists.
The second is his return after gaining fame and fortune. This one is a much better production as it was shot better and multitracked-remixed. Performance is good but not great.
(Though the cameras do get shut off toward the end!)
My favorite SRV DVD is the one that comes in the "SRV" boxset, (w/CDs).
It is from the series "Austin City Limits".
This one is a really great set. Good PQ and SQ.
That's the one I like best.
post #868 of 8504
Sessions for Robert J "Eric Clapton" is a reference quality DVD. Any blues fan (or EC fan)should run (not walk) to your local software retailer and purchase this title immediately. Look in the CD section, its packaged in a CD size box. The set also includes an audio CD. I got mine from Borders.

GREAT STUFF!
post #869 of 8504
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Originally Posted by Tom Grooms View Post

Sessions for Robert J "Eric Clapton" is a reference quality DVD. Any blues fan (or EC fan)should run (not walk) to your local software retailer and purchase this title immediately. Look in the CD section, its packaged in a CD size box. The set also includes an audio CD. I got mine from Borders.

GREAT STUFF!

Agree 100%
post #870 of 8504
George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic Live at Montreaux 2004. For those who were into the P-Funk groove back in the day (mid to late 70's), this isn't a bad pick up. Although Clinton and the gang are way past their prime (he struggles with most of the lead vocals), they still know how to funk it up. This DVD was filmed in Hi-def, 16:9, and with a funking DTS soundtrack to boot. Special mention goes to Lily Haydn on the violin, who Clinton appropriately calls "the Jimi Hendrix of the violin" and to Michael Hampton's solo on "Not Just Knee Deep"
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