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post #10081 of 10634
Verizon FiOS is fine for your main big-screen plasma TV.
Use OTA for the other TVs and save a few $$.
That's what I do...
post #10082 of 10634
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Originally Posted by The Wizard View Post

Verizon FiOS is fine for your main big-screen plasma TV.
Use OTA for the other TVs and save a few $$.
That's what I do...

My solution is to use a couple of Ceton's InfiniTV 4 Cable Card tuners in a Windows Media Center box in the basement with Media Center Extenders at each TV. Rental of 2 Cable Cards is less than 1 FIOS DVR per month and gives me 8 tuners to work with. But if the goal really is to ditch cable (entirely), then sports is a tricky proposition because online streaming just isn't there yet.
post #10083 of 10634
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Unless you only care about football, how do you plan to deal with watching live sports after you drop cable?

I guess that's probably about all I care about when it comes to professional sports. I also like to listen to the Red Sox and the Bruins on the radio.

Besides, I've discovered one of the sub-channels OTA is Universal Sports (or something like that) and I see more non-mainstream sports there that I am interested in like triathlon, cycling and volleyball than stuff I see on NESN.

The tough one will be next July when the TdF is on Versus. Who knows with all the doping if there will be a TdF.

Up here in the attic, hanging out the window, my M-4 antenna is a total fail. I am ready to try something commercial. I am looking at the DB8. I don't know anyone around that is getting TV OTA but I sure know a lot of people who would like to. I think I am the guinea pig because I am the one who builds the computers or something.
post #10084 of 10634
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Originally Posted by tveli View Post

if you go to YouDoIt Electronics, remember to first estimate the absolute most time you might like to spend there, then triple it, and allocate that much time!

This place sounds more dangerous than MicroCenter in Cambridge.
post #10085 of 10634
If you're hoping to get Universal Sports on 50-2, you might have a bit of trouble. It's a 7.3KW station. I think an arc welder might put out more signal than that

I'm not saying you won't be able to get it. It may just take some extra aluminum and an amp.

Football is pretty sweet OTA.
post #10086 of 10634
StellarCanineVictoryDude, you are right about that sports subchannel - it is nifty and is on limited-basic cable too.
Also it is nice how it never shows poker. But the resolution is oh so low.

Regarding NFL & OTA and/or limited-basic, a harsh aspect is that many critical games are on ESPN only, eh?
Similar dealio with MLB playoffs.
( My UHF Yagi is having trouble pulling in WTBS even with the preamplifier and precisely aiming towards Atlanta. :| )
post #10087 of 10634
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Originally Posted by tveli View Post

StellarCanineVictoryDude, you are right about that sports subchannel - it is nifty and is on limited-basic cable too.
Also it is nice how it never shows poker. But the resolution is oh so low.

Regarding NFL & OTA and/or limited-basic, a harsh aspect is that many critical games are on ESPN only, eh?
Similar dealio with MLB playoffs.
( My UHF Yagi is having trouble pulling in WTBS even with the preamplifier and precisely aiming towards Atlanta. :| )

Put up a higher antenna and a few more elements on the yagi and you should be able to pull it it fine.
It's a simple matter of getting above the Earth's curvature.
You should be able to get TNT as well...
post #10088 of 10634
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Originally Posted by tveli View Post

( My UHF Yagi is having trouble pulling in WTBS even with the preamplifier and precisely aiming towards Atlanta. :| )

Maybe you're lack of reception of WTBS-17 Atlanta is because they no longer transmit OTA. It's now WPCH-17, and been that way for several years. But good luck pulling in TNT. Probably only possible if your neighbors cable system sprung a leak.
post #10089 of 10634
Stardog, I'd recommend the Antennas Direct XG-91, and at your range and being in a wooded area, the CM 7777 pre-amp.
post #10090 of 10634
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

I live near the NH seacoast a little bit west of Exeter.

Any recommendations or experience, especially in the Exeter area, is welcome. It looks like the Boston stations are SSW about 50mi away and the ME stations are NNE about the same distance but luckily almost perfectly 180-deg off each other. I've got two VHF stations 90 off those WNW (WMUR and WENH). As with most locations in NH, my lot is heavily wooded.

Thanks.

FWIW, I live in Durham. CM4228 w/rotor and amp on top of 2-story house (30-40 feet up) - close to top of hill, but heavily wooded.

Reception experience is good for Portland (all), Channel 9/11/ION 21, and Boston most. Unfortunately, the only channel I have a hard time with is Fox, and occasionally WBZ (maybe on the same tower?). Even that is usually okay without the foliage. At any rate - about 25-30 main channels/sub-channels - though I haven't seen that Universal Sports channel (not that I've scanned lately). The furthest I've ever dragged in is a PBS station in VT, which came in for a day or two thanks to atmospheric conditions.

My TV's don't have a built-in converter. My HDTV box is a RadioShack Accurian (some other maker). The last generation OTA receivers (SamSung) with the later chips cost more than they were worth to me - so I won't bother getting one until the RatShack one gives up the ghost.

The reception with the government subsidized Analog > Digital converters is usually a bit better (Zenith and ChannelMaster) - but not HDTV, and they aren't guaranteed to pull in Fox either (though they pull in all channels a bit better than the HDTV box).

Are you also Mr. Fresh on the KRMS boards?

Reg.
post #10091 of 10634
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Originally Posted by regiolanthe View Post

Unfortunately, the only channel I have a hard time with is Fox, and occasionally WBZ (maybe on the same tower?).

Nope, seperate towers. WFXT is directional however, WBZ is non directional.
The only really similar thing between them is their channel assignments (WBZ 30, WFXT 31)
post #10092 of 10634
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post

I live near the NH seacoast a little bit west of Exeter.

I'm in NorthEast part of Manchester, near Rt101/I93, about 1 mile closer to Boston stations according to your TVFOOL link. I had no luck with the homebuilt antennas, went out and bought a Clearstream 2 from Best Buy.

In a hurry to catch the Patriots game I simply mounted this antenna right off my back porch facing South East (Boston), maybe 5 feet off the ground. The wooded land south of me slopes upward a bit, so I wasn't expecting much. I connected the cable to an amplifier and ran it to my TV, got nearly all the boston channels I needed except for WHDH (NBC). I got WCVB and WFXT plus all those little independent ones, spanish one, etc. I also got WMUR from Manchester, and PBS even though I'm really not facing the antenna toward them.

All in all, pretty good considering the pathetic way I mounted the antenna. I will probably redo it this weekend, put it on some makeshift mast, perhaps 15-20 feet up so it'll be above the slope.

So basically I can tell you a decent antenna well mounted should stand a pretty good change of getting the basics from Boston, and who knows what you can get with some of the top notch antennas!
post #10093 of 10634
hey there cavy,
i'm nearby to you with an inside-attic YAGI and a few days per year I can watch tv from providence: WJAR "10" .
cheers
/e
post #10094 of 10634
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Originally Posted by StardogChampion View Post
I live near the NH seacoast a little bit west of Exeter.
I'm quite a bit West of you. I'm using an CM7228 aimed at Boston and a YA-1713 at WENH.

Get both NH VHF stations all the time and even WMTW out of Maine on occasion. By accident VHF antenna wound up being aimed pretty accurately to WMTW.

WZMY has been a no show for us ever since they went digital.

Get most of the Boston UHF stations, WGBH, WCVB, WBZ, WMFP, WHDH, and WFXT. WBPX and WLVI come in some of the time, WGBX and WSBK only occasionally. WGBX was a big disappointment since it models better then some of the other Boston stations we receive without problem.

Here is my TV Fool for comparison to yours.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...81a355d761f872
post #10095 of 10634
Hi,

I just received a Channel Master CM7000 DVR as a gift and I know there are plenty of problems with it and DST time changes, but it seems as if the TVGOS data WBZ is putting out it off by an hour (still on DST versus switching to EST). The PSIP data seems to be correct, but I think TVGOS (and hence the clock of the DVR) are messed up.

Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? I just emailed WBZ, but I figured I'd ask here as well.

- Rob
post #10096 of 10634
To follow up on my own question...

I received an email from RYankowitz who said it's either a ROVI thing or something on my side (DVR). ROVI then contacted me, so we'll see what they end up saying. Probably point the finger at the DVR (doesn't cost them a thing to blame the device).

- Rob
post #10097 of 10634
Last follow-up in case anyone but myself is interested ...

ROVI contacted me and blamed my DVR, but miraculously, shortly after that I noticed that the time had corrected itself. Could be a coincidence... or not.
post #10098 of 10634
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Originally Posted by dupcak View Post

Last follow-up in case anyone but myself is interested ...

ROVI contacted me and blamed my DVR, but miraculously, shortly after that I noticed that the time had corrected itself. Could be a coincidence... or not.

A quick explanation about how TV Guide-On-Screen works:
WBZ has TVGOS encoders at our studio, which are fed data via an Internet connection by Rovi. That data includes date and time, in GMT format. It is up to the viewer's TV (or DVR) to convert that time to the correct local time zone. In some cases we have seen individual TV's/DVR's do funny things with the time, even though Rovi is sending the correct value. I don't know if that was the case here, but it is worth keeping in mind.
post #10099 of 10634
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Originally Posted by RYankowitz View Post

A quick explanation about how TV Guide-On-Screen works:
WBZ has TVGOS encoders at our studio, which are fed data via an Internet connection by Rovi. That data includes date and time, in GMT format. It is up to the viewer's TV (or DVR) to convert that time to the correct local time zone. In some cases we have seen individual TV's/DVR's do funny things with the time, even though Rovi is sending the correct value. I don't know if that was the case here, but it is worth keeping in mind.

Thanks! That makes sense to me - and given the reported problems with the Dish DTV Pal/Channel Master CM7000 DVR, I could easily believe it's the box's problem. Timing of the "fix" was weird though.

Either way - I'm happy again.

- Rob
post #10100 of 10634
I was playing around with my $20 monoprice antenna and channel master d2a box yesterday because lots of leaves have fallen (and i cut the tv part of comcast) I thought I would see if anything changed. I was picking Boston from inside the house and i was never able to get it outside in the summer months.

So my good luck has inspired me to get a proper install on the roof but i cant seem to find an installer on the cape let alone way out here on the inside elbow. Dose anyone know of an installer around here? Also what type of equipment am i going to need?

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post #10101 of 10634
Just wanted to step in and pitch in on my OTA experiences as of late:

WFXT and WBZ have been coming in rock solid on my antenna. These are the two Boston channels I mainly care about, as the NFL broadcasts the vast majority of their games on CBS and FOX. WBZ's signal strength peaks at a rating near 70, but usually hovers around 60, which is still pretty strong. WFXT's signal strength stays in the mid-high 50s for me.

WHDH is a little less reliable, its signal strength varies from 30-40. There are times where it won't break up, but it is usually unreliable for the most part. And WCVB is the hardest of the big 4 for me to pull in. Very hard finding a perfect spot for the antenna.

Could the fact that there are no leaves on the trees during this time of year be improving my reception?

Right now, the antenna is sitting slanted on top of my cuckoo clock...yeah I know but hey whatever works right LOL....

For reference, my antenna is the RCA ANT121...cheap antenna but with strange tweaking I'm getting what I want from it....

Still, I wouldn't ditch cable and go all-OTA, since there's still a ton of programming I'd miss out on cable...and I don't really watch network TV outside of news and NFL (and you can take out the latter during the spring and summer)

Quick question: If I ever decided to run an antenna extension cord so I can get it to the north-facing rafter in my attic, will there be any signal loss due to the long cable (which happens on say, Ethernet wires)?

Thanks!
post #10102 of 10634
sonic,

YES the absence of leaves helps reception during winter. I understand that the colder air helps too.

YES you will lose more signal strength the longer the cables.
Be sure to use RG6 or better, not RG58, not RG59.
Also you can get high quality antenna pre-amps if you establish that low signal-strength is an issue in your setup. I doubt that's th weak point in your setup however.
Does the tv/tuner signal-strength meter show low power for WHDH? Or bouncing up and down (which indicates multipath).
Optimizing reception by slanting the antenna upwards or downwards is consistent with multipath issue in my experience.
Similarly I have found that aiming level but off-center can mitigate multipath - off-center from where the signal-strength is strongest for the difficult-reception stations. Your antenna is probably not so directional like mine, but apparently you have noticed some directionality and adjusted for it already.
I use a YAGI UHF-antenna, *very* directional and high-quality, with high-quality UHF-only AMP. channelmaster 4248 - In my attic.
Your antenna appears to be very nonoptimal, and its performance probably hindered by its apparently-useless VHF section. If you went with a UHF-only antenna, even an "indoor" UHF-only antenna, you might note a huge improvement.
Go Pats.
ps - nfl network has been showing the thursday night games live for free on nfl.com . fairly decent fullscreen quality video too.
post #10103 of 10634
Yes tveli, I do think that one of the problems is the VHF part of my antenna. It doesn't help that I am 2.5 miles from one of the Rehoboth towers and 3 miles from the other two, so there might be some kind of overload issue there. I was thinking that a UHF-only antenna would help that problem, as it wouldn't tap in to the Rehoboth towers.

Do places like Radioshack sell UHF-only antennas?

Also - what makes the VHF part of the antenna useless? The fact that the Boston stations don't broadcast on VHF? Or is it something with the antenna itself?
post #10104 of 10634
How bad can rain affect an indoor antenna?

I've tried looking up for answers but all of them seem to relate to outdoor antennas. Right now it's raining out and every TV station, whether Boston or Providence, is constantly breaking up.
post #10105 of 10634
Hi All:
Just a quick question - Re VBI data transmitted by WBZ - 4.1.
Since digital transition have been receiving TV Guide on Screen data - in Rhode Islnd and all has been well -on my Sony DHG-HDD500 receiver/recorder. Lately have noticed no VBI data being transmitted during wee hours of the morning (as indicated by 'G Test' failure on my Sony box). Today noted at 9:00 am or so - also no vbi packets being sent at that time as well. Is there a particular issue at WBZ - in this connection?

Thnx.
Barry
South Cnty, Narragansett, RI
post #10106 of 10634
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Originally Posted by bardot861 View Post

Hi All:
Just a quick question - Re VBI data transmitted by WBZ - 4.1.
Since digital transition have been receiving TV Guide on Screen data - in Rhode Islnd and all has been well -on my Sony DHG-HDD500 receiver/recorder. Lately have noticed no VBI data being transmitted during wee hours of the morning (as indicated by 'G Test' failure on my Sony box). Today noted at 9:00 am or so - also no vbi packets being sent at that time as well. Is there a particular issue at WBZ - in this connection?

Thnx.
Barry
South Cnty, Narragansett, RI

We transmit the data 24/7, and we have not had any problems I am aware of. I will check into it on Monday.
post #10107 of 10634
Can any one tell me why wcvb on air lower thirds look like they are in sd, when watching ota from halifax on a 720p tv??? The eleven at eleven has that strange sd ghost look. And no hd logo anymore?? I know the econmey is tight but they could have keep the old hd lower thirds.
post #10108 of 10634
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Originally Posted by HD one View Post

Can any one tell me why wcvb on air lower thirds look like they are in sd, when watching ota from halifax on a 720p tv??? The eleven at eleven has that strange sd ghost look. And no hd logo anymore?? I know the econmey is tight but they could have keep the old hd lower thirds.


Catching a Boston station in Halifax OTA is doing quite well. Is it possible you are actually atching a translator station providing WCVB Boston-7? If you are receiving Boston stations via ExpressVu or Star Choice, then I suspect those providers are the culprits. I know that ExpressVu trims the picture widths of many US stations.
post #10109 of 10634
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Originally Posted by rdvegas View Post

Catching a Boston station in Halifax OTA is doing quite well. Is it possible you are actually atching a translator station providing WCVB Boston-7? If you are receiving Boston stations via ExpressVu or Star Choice, then I suspect those providers are the culprits. I know that ExpressVu trims the picture widths of many US stations.

There's also a city in Massachusetts called Halifax, down near Plymouth.

- Trip
post #10110 of 10634
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

There's also a city in Massachusetts called Halifax, down near Plymouth.

- Trip

Did not know that!
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