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post #10381 of 10633
here's part of the answer, link below.
Radio towers on Bear Hill. Tower on the right was constructed by AT&T in 1992 for an experimental 6 GHz personal phone system. The tower itself is a vintage 1950s AT&T Long Lines tower disassembled at a site in Tennessee and moved here. It replaced a narrower, self-supporting AT&T Long Lines tower of a similar height built in the mid-1950s supporting a link to Chester, N.H. for the purposes of relaying network television programming. The other three towers were built in the 1980s for microwave, telephone and two-way radio communication purposes.
http://massroads.com/?word=microwave
post #10382 of 10633
WGBX and WSBK are our two weakest Boston stations.

They seem to be stronger with the repaired antenna, hopefully it is real and not just a few days of good atmospherics.



/tom
post #10383 of 10633
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Originally Posted by tveli View Post

here's part of the answer, link below.
Radio towers on Bear Hill. Tower on the right was constructed by AT&T in 1992 for an experimental 6 GHz personal phone system. The tower itself is a vintage 1950s AT&T Long Lines tower disassembled at a site in Tennessee and moved here. It replaced a narrower, self-supporting AT&T Long Lines tower of a similar height built in the mid-1950s supporting a link to Chester, N.H. for the purposes of relaying network television programming. The other three towers were built in the 1980s for microwave, telephone and two-way radio communication purposes.
http://massroads.com/?word=microwave

There is more to the story too. The big self supporting tower on the left hand side, has no tennants on it anymore and is going to come down for development at the top of the hill. The three towers on the right are actually on the south-east side of the hill and are currently owned by American Tower. As tveli stated, they are all cellular and two way these days.
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Originally Posted by wizwor View Post

wbz and wgbx signal strength has dipped to 70-ish tonight while wgbh and wlvi are normal (90 for me). maybe there is still tuning to be done?

WLVI is not on that tower and was not affected by the outage.
post #10384 of 10633
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Originally Posted by W1KNE View Post

The big self supporting tower on the left hand side, has no tenants on it anymore and is going to come down for development at the top of the hill..

Interesting. Do you happen to know what's going to be put in up there? My office is at the base of Bear Hill practically in that tower's shadow. I know there's a lot of construction activity on the north side of the hill right now but no clue what's going on there.

I used to work for Western Electric and part of my job was to visit AT&T Long Lines towers around the midwest and train the techs on installing solid state upgrades to their (then vacuum tube) microwave amplifiers. It was always fascinating work to me but the constant travel was a pain. You'd fly to Little Rock or St. Louis then drive three or four hours to the middle of nowhere and suddenly there'd be this monster tower with its horns pointing in sometimes four directions.
post #10385 of 10633
I would love to know what is special about WLVI. According to TVFool.com, WLVI is a little closer to me than WSBK and only one degree difference in orientation. I should expect it to come in a little stronger. WSBK is rock solid showing a signal strength in the mid seventies while I cannot pull in WLVI even intermittently.
post #10386 of 10633
WCVB activated 5.2 this week and has been running color bars. The ID displays as MeTV.
post #10387 of 10633
...and when they did, I lost 5-1 on all three DirecTV receivers and my TV. I had to rescan on the TV and re run antenna setup on the 3 DirecTV DVRs.

SMK
post #10388 of 10633
Huh! I'm surprised! With my DishNetwork HD receiver, apparently the receiver scanned automatically and added the channel. I used to have DirecTV, but found that the picture quality on Dish is better, plus you can use it as a regular receiver with an antenna besides the local channels on the satellites.

DirecTV uses too much signal compression. Besides, there are a lot more HD channels that I watch on Dish that DirecTV. didn't have in HD.
post #10389 of 10633
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Originally Posted by BillBibeau View Post

Huh! I'm surprised! With my DishNetwork HD receiver, apparently the receiver scanned automatically and added the channel. I used to have DirecTV, but found that the picture quality on Dish is better, plus you can use it as a regular receiver with an antenna besides the local channels on the satellites.
DirecTV uses too much signal compression. Besides, there are a lot more HD channels that I watch on Dish that DirecTV. didn't have in HD.

I am talking about the signals I'm getting OTA. I don't get my locals from the satellite but use my DirecTV DVRs with an antenna. When WCVB added 5.2, 5.1 disappeared from all three DVRs. In the antenna setup section, 5.2 was listed but 5.1 was absent. I manually repeated antenna setup, and now 5.1 is back, but 5.2 has disappeared.

On the TV rescanning now shows both 5.1 and 5.2.

SMK
post #10390 of 10633
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Originally Posted by nicoge21 View Post

Whatever they did to WGBH, they must have done something right. The signal is much stronger then it was just a month ago. It's blasting solid right now. I'm also getting ME-TV on 5.2, but it shows color bars. I'm assuming they are moving ME-TV to 5.2 and pulling 62.1? If so, what will replace it? What's gonna happen to RTV? 62 is our strongest channel out here, it's always in the 90's.
I inquired with MeTV about partial programming on WMFP and they responded that it shouldn't be happening. Maybe they revoked the franchise?
post #10391 of 10633
Perhaps I should clarify my statement. DishNetwork incorporates an over the air tuner into their receivers. You hook up an antenna to it, and you have a choice to watch either the channel you want on satellite or over the air. Dish doesn't send any of the sub channels out on the satellite however. Over the air, I find myself watching ThisTV often as well as Retro-TV and MeTV. These aren't on the satellite with Dish. Channel 5.2 shows up in my menu and I can watch it.....but to this point, all they have is a 4:3 test pattern.
post #10392 of 10633
RoyG, I lost 5.1 ,12.1,12.2 and 44.1 0n 8-31. Directv said its my fault ,my antennas and they don't control the guide for my off airs. I have an old HR20/700 DVR. On Monday9/3, my series manager taped 5.1 at 9 a.m.,but guide still said 5.2 .Manually tune 5.1 and still channel not found. They said it's still my problem,but I am a valued customer since 1996. Anyway a deep reset on my own last week of primary Boston and secondary Providence did the trick.Just glad to hear it wasn't just me like they insisted !
post #10393 of 10633
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I inquired with MeTV about partial programming on WMFP and they responded that it shouldn't be happening. Maybe they revoked the franchise?

It is highly unlikely that Weigel / MeTV management was not aware of the fact that WMFP has only been carrying about 2/3 of the schedule from the beginning, though all of their staff might not know it. It is very possible that in allowing the partial schedule, that Weigel had a escape clause, which might allow them to drop WMFP as soon as WCVB goes live with it. WMFP certainly did not have exclusivity, since WMUR, which is part of the Boston market, has been carrying it for months.
post #10394 of 10633
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Originally Posted by BillBibeau View Post

Perhaps I should clarify my statement. DishNetwork incorporates an over the air tuner into their receivers. You hook up an antenna to it, and you have a choice to watch either the channel you want on satellite or over the air.
With DirecTV they sell an extra box, the AM21, that connects to their DVR's and receivers via a USB cable to add a pair of OTA tuners. The AM21 has a coax antenna input. IIRC, it works with their HR21 and newer boxes.
post #10395 of 10633
I have two of the old HR20's which have a built in OTA tuners, and one HR22 with the AM21 connected to it. So, all three DVRs get locals via antenna, not satellite.

I, too am glad to hear I was not the only hosed by the change in guide information. I did an antenna reset, not an entire system reset, to get the channels back.

SMK
post #10396 of 10633
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

With DirecTV they sell an extra box, the AM21, that connects to their DVR's and receivers via a USB cable to add a pair of OTA tuners. The AM21 has a coax antenna input. IIRC, it works with their HR21 and newer boxes.

They sell you a box to get it? YUCK! I had DirecTV and dumped them. All the SD channels on DishNetwork are sharper looking because DirecTV uses much too much video compression and the picture quality suffers. I've noticed that even the HD is a tad sharper on DishNetwork than it was on DirecTV. Another plus is the fact that many of DirecTV's SD programs are in HD on Dish.

For overall best local picture quality though, you can't beat the local channels OTA with a decent antenna system.
post #10397 of 10633
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Originally Posted by BillBibeau View Post

They sell you a box to get it? YUCK! I had DirecTV and dumped them. All the SD channels on DishNetwork are sharper looking because DirecTV uses much too much video compression and the picture quality suffers. I've noticed that even the HD is a tad sharper on DishNetwork than it was on DirecTV. Another plus is the fact that many of DirecTV's SD programs are in HD on Dish.
For overall best local picture quality though, you can't beat the local channels OTA with a decent antenna system.
When I still had DirecTV, I actually got my AM21's for free. I switched to FIOS several years ago and use that in conjunction with my antenna. I now have a DVR with 8 CableCard tuners (2 CableCards needed), 4 OTA tuners, extenders for the other TV's, and virtually unlimited storage biggrin.gif.
post #10398 of 10633
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Originally Posted by BillBibeau View Post

They sell you a box to get it? YUCK! I had DirecTV and dumped them. All the SD channels on DishNetwork are sharper looking because DirecTV uses much too much video compression and the picture quality suffers. I've noticed that even the HD is a tad sharper on DishNetwork than it was on DirecTV. Another plus is the fact that many of DirecTV's SD programs are in HD on Dish.
For overall best local picture quality though, you can't beat the local channels OTA with a decent antenna system.

2 of my DVRs have OTA built in, and for the other I got the AM21 for free. So, I did not have to pay anything for OTA. I agree that uncompressed OTA looks good, but I have compared OTA vs DirecTVs retransmission, and on a well calibrated 58" plasma, I don't see a difference. Likewise, I think all of D*'s HD looks pretty good. I have no complaints with DirecTV and have no plans to consider switching to DISH.

SMK
post #10399 of 10633
WOW! I just found this website! Maybe somethings do have answers!
This message is especialy for Bob Hess of WBZ-TV who may be able to answer questions about the broadcast tower and any repairs in progress. I live in Acushnet, MA, have had DTV converter since before the conversion from analog. My mom lives up the street about 1/8 mile and has DTV converstion, too. We had great reception with outside antennas until an electrical storm on July 24. Since then, only ch. 12, 28 & sometimes 64 come in. What is the story here? We are not inclined to pay for cable or Fios, so this is our only tv entertainment. Will we have better reception int he future? And when in the future? After receiving about 30 channels on DTV, it is a sad state to be reduced to only 2 or 3! Sign me frustrated with DTV!!!
post #10400 of 10633
egg lady,

The problem is in your system or your locale. There's nothing reported wrong with the Boston broadcasters, especially since the tower work has been completed last month to repair April's failure.
post #10401 of 10633
egg lady,

My best guess would be that the storm damaged either your antennas or the cabling outside of your home.

If you would like faster assistance, please feel free to call the engineering department of your favorite local station and we will be happy to assist you with your problems.
post #10402 of 10633
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Originally Posted by EricSa View Post

egg lady,
My best guess would be that the storm damaged either your antennas or the cabling outside of your home.
A nearby lightning strike could have also damaged both converters. They have sensitive electronics connected to the antenna input and nearby lightning could have damaged both in a similar way. If you can borrow a converter box from someone else who doesn't have a problem, try substituting it for your own box.
post #10403 of 10633
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Originally Posted by egg lady View Post

WOW! I just found this website! Maybe somethings do have answers!
This message is especialy for Bob Hess of WBZ-TV who may be able to answer questions about the broadcast tower and any repairs in progress. I live in Acushnet, MA, have had DTV converter since before the conversion from analog. My mom lives up the street about 1/8 mile and has DTV converstion, too. We had great reception with outside antennas until an electrical storm on July 24. Since then, only ch. 12, 28 & sometimes 64 come in. What is the story here? We are not inclined to pay for cable or Fios, so this is our only tv entertainment. Will we have better reception int he future? And when in the future? After receiving about 30 channels on DTV, it is a sad state to be reduced to only 2 or 3! Sign me frustrated with DTV!!!

12 & 64 are High VHF and I think 28 is 22 Low UHF. Do you have an AMP in-line or mast mounted? Any visble storm damage to any of the antennas elements?
post #10404 of 10633
What is this channel 18 crap for WBIN?
It's channel 50 not channel 18.

I know Comcast systems carry channel 50 on channel 18 but why push the crappy SD feed? Ewww!

If they want to push the comcast channel why don't they just say Channel 811 instead!

or even better 506! smile.gif
post #10405 of 10633
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I inquired with MeTV about partial programming on WMFP and they responded that it shouldn't be happening. Maybe they revoked the franchise?

This has been added to the WMFP page on Wikipedia:
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WMFP has announced they will no longer carry MeTV, effective October 1, 2012. MeTV will move to WCVB on 5-2 effective that date
No credit for the source, though that omission has not been flagged by Wikipedia yet...
post #10406 of 10633
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Originally Posted by Channel99 View Post

This has been added to the WMFP page on Wikipedia:
No credit for the source, though that omission has not been flagged by Wikipedia yet...


Hmmmm, it appears that WMFP will be only carrying RetroTV. I occasionally watch it now. Brings back some old memories! wink.gif
post #10407 of 10633
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Originally Posted by steve125 View Post

12 & 64 are High VHF and I think 28 is 22 Low UHF. Do you have an AMP in-line or mast mounted? Any visble storm damage to any of the antennas elements?

It seems to me either the antenna got fried, or as was said, if there is a pre-amp, it is toasted. Also the RF amp in the converters may also be BBQed.
post #10408 of 10633
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Originally Posted by Channel99 View Post

This has been added to the WMFP page on Wikipedia:
No credit for the source, though that omission has not been flagged by Wikipedia yet...
WMFP may not be long for this world...

(from http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/62316/nrj-tv-snags-wgcb-harrisburg-for-9m)
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NRJ, headed by Ted Bartley, has been buying TV stations in or near major markets in hopes of flipping them at a profit in the FCC's planned "incentive auction" of TV spectrum. Hoping to shift spectrum from TV to wireless broadband, the FCC plans to set up a method by which broadcasters can voluntarily auction their spectrum and split the proceeds with the government.

So far, NRJ has accumulated six other stations: KCNS San Francisco, WMFP Boston, WZME New York, WTVE Philadelphia, KIKU Honolulu and KSCI Los Angeles.
post #10409 of 10633
Interesting! I read the info on Wikipedia too and assume that WMFP will only broadcast RetroTV for the near future.
post #10410 of 10633
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WMFP may not be long for this world...

NRJ, headed by Ted Bartley, has been buying TV stations in or near major markets in hopes of flipping them at a profit in the FCC's planned "incentive auction" of TV spectrum.

There has been speculation about that in various forums - but that article reinforces it. It would be hard to argue against the loss of WMFP to the cell phone industry, given that they grossly under utilize the channel now, with two SD channels, probably soon to be one. If WMFP were to be auctioned off that way, vacating their real channel - ch 18, would not accomplish much by itself. In order to free the most desired data spectrum - channels above 40 - there would need to be many channel reassignments. Some of these may not be voluntary, which would require new regulations.
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