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post #10411 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Channel99 View Post

There has been speculation about that in various forums - but that article reinforces it. It would be hard to argue against the loss of WMFP to the cell phone industry, given that they grossly under utilize the channel now, with two SD channels, probably soon to be one. If WMFP were to be auctioned off that way, vacating their real channel - ch 18, would not accomplish much by itself. In order to free the most desired data spectrum - channels above 40 - there would need to be many channel reassignments. Some of these may not be voluntary, which would require new regulations.

Well there is one big factor that I think comes into play. The last TV station I worked at before retiring was originally on VHF channel 13. During the transition period, we were allocated UHF channel 41 for our DTV setup. As it turned out, we had to run approximately 1 megawatt to get the same coverage as we had on VHF channel 13 with 35 kW output. Thus once all analog channels were shut down, we reverted back to channel 13. The savings in electricity alone made it financially feasible to spend the extra money for another VHF exciter transmitter for DTV operations. The power amps form the analog setup were able to be used with DTV thus saving a lot of money. However, if they weren't, it still in time would have been more financially feasible to revert back to Channel 13 even with all new amps.

What I saying here that UHF channel 18 which is where WMFP is situated is a much better frequency for TV broadcasting. Cell phones or PCS devices are better off up in frequency. However, stranger things have happened in the past. Who knows?
post #10412 of 10626
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What I saying here that UHF channel 18 which is where WMFP is situated is a much better frequency for TV broadcasting.

There would have to a lot of shuffling, which doesn't seem practical. Ch's 49. 50. & 51 are used in Providence. The FCC has already started to clear ch. 51 - by urging stations to move if possible - this supposedly just to introduce a guard band between TV and the data / cell frequencies. So they could reassign a vacated ch 18 to Providence and move WJAR now on ch 51 to ch 18. That would be very expensive to WJAR, so the cell / data buyer of WMFP would have to pay for it. In return ch 51 would be free in both markets. Or it could be much more complicated - move WYDN ch 47 and WGBX ch 43 to ch 18 - the WYDN SD signal should fit, then WJAR moves to ch 47, WLNE ch 49 to ch 43, and low power WRIW ch 50 to ch 44. What about WYDN must-carry? Another rule needed to require legacy must-carry - a station that agrees to move to any subchannel of another station gets to keep must-carry status. And they all get paid.

Anyway - it would be a huge, complicated, expensive mess. If it remained voluntary - the unknown of the various deals needed after an initial purchase would probably be a show stopper. Let's say Verizon buys the ch 18 license, which they cannot use directly - for $50 million. Now they go knock on WJAR's door and WJAR says we'll move - but want $20 million - and so forth...
post #10413 of 10626
WGBX from rg 43 to RF 18. Verizon or ATT to use Ch43
post #10414 of 10626
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WGBX from rg 43 to RF 18. Verizon or ATT to use Ch43

The FCC has stated previously that they would work from the top down. Using a channel such as 43 in the middle of the band would create two problems:

One is adjacent channel interference to and from WHDH on ch 42. That is not an issue now because of the exception allowing it for stations with transmitters very close together, on the theory that DTV receivers can handle adjacent channel signals of approximately the same strength. Also, the stated reason by the FCC for clearing ch 51 is to create an open channel as a guard band, to protect data signals from adjacent TV channel interference.

The second problem would be that ch 43 is also used in other cities, such as Portland, ME. A mobile device that could transmit on ch. 43, or across the whole UHF band would have to be designed to poll the cell / data system on a channel not used anywhere for TV any time it is turned on or loses contact with the system - to be sure what channels could be used. That location system would have to work perfectly. TV transmitters are in fixed locations, and the signal coverage is predictable, but someone who had a cell phone could be almost anywhere, such as the 60th floor of a skyscraper, on the top of Mt. Washington, or in an airplane and could easily get assigned a channel in use for TV. Currently cell phones do hit the wrong systems now at times - but at worst likely affect only one other caller - not potentially many square miles of TV viewers.
post #10415 of 10626
Hey ya'all, thanks for the replies. I thought I mentioned I got a NEW DTV converter box after the first "blackout". The problem is not the DTV converter box. From what I was able to see, antenna connections are good. I never had any kind of booster/amp, neither did my mom. My mother suffered the same symptoms at the same time. We lost reception (except for Ch. 12 & 28, sometimes Ch. 64) for two days, then all the channels came back for about five days, then the blackout again. There were not any ground lightning strikes in the area during the storms (I checked). It seems VERY unlikely that two separate systems would go out at the same time. Everything is the same at both locations except for reception. I did call Ch. 10 and spoke to one of the tecs. He seemed to be puzzled, said there was a meter to measure the transmission waves...but that was about all I could raise. Ch. 2 was less than cordial, Ch. 4 showed little interest in connecting me to anyone. IF the connections were bad, seems it would show in the picture on the channels we get. Good, clear pictures without any snow, lines, etc. Meanwhile, I am reduced to watching channel 12 weather, which leaves a lot to be desired...I guess I will slowly go insane watching what re-runs there are available during the long winter nights.
post #10416 of 10626
egg lady,
My best guess would be that the storm damaged either your antennas or the cabling outside of your home.
A nearby lightning strike could have also damaged both converters. They have sensitive electronics connected to the antenna input and nearby lightning could have damaged both in a similar way. If you can borrow a converter box from someone else who doesn't have a problem, try substituting it for your own box.

I response to this, I can say that I replaced the DTV converter box and there was no improvement. After the first storm, excellent reception returned after the weekend. Another storm about five days later ended any reception. If it was due to damage, why would the reception return after the weekend??? Also, if there was a ground lightning, there would have been damage to one of the electric transformers on the electric poles next to the road (this has happened when there was ground lightning previously). Also, I have a very good surge protector (new, from NSTAR) on my TV and computer. Both were turned off during both of the storms. I am not an electrical engineer, just a farmer...so I am at a loss to figure out what is going on. There are few connections on the cable coming off the antenna. How does one figure out if they are fried?
post #10417 of 10626
The changes with channel 11 seem to have taken place.
11.2 is now NHPTV Explore.
?I know this because on Fios channel 511 is the traditional 11.2 HD while Fios channel 11 seems to be a squeezed version of " NHPTV Explore" squeezed on the QAM signal full 16:9 on the HD box.
With the exception of a few local shows programming identical to 2 and 44.
post #10418 of 10626
The NHPTV web site is pretty vague about the impact changes will have on OTA viewers. Seems to be exclusively focused on Comcast subscribers. No way they will be able to squeeze WGBH and WGBX into a single RF channel. I submitted an online request for clarification but have not received any feedback. I emailed one of the technical staff I worked with during the DTV transition but the email bounced so I assume he is no longer there.

I'm a big fan of PBS but the lack of interaction with viewers about technical issues, WGBH and the antenna and now WENH is extremely frustrating.

/tom
post #10419 of 10626
Comcast has not yet removed the WENH HD or Explore feeds on the Boston / Brookline system. WENH HD is now carrying the same program as WGBH HD - "Broadway: The American Musical", but the guide still shows "Lawrence Welk" However, the NHPTV Explore channel is actually showing "Lawrence Welk" and the guide lists this correctly. Most likely Comcast will be removing these on Monday or Tuesday, as was previously announced and requested by WGBH.

If the main HD channels are going to be duplicates, removing WENH in MA and WGBH in NH makes sense, but it is hard to understand why WGBH is going out its way to antagonize viewers by removing WGBX, and all of the WGBH and WGBX subchannels, in NH, and the WENH subchannels in MA. Apparently they can afford the inevitable loss of some viewer donations....
post #10420 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Channel99 View Post

Apparently they can afford the inevitable loss of some viewer donations....

You are forgetting the public money that Uncle Sam gives them too, even though it is much less in recent years than it has been in the past.
post #10421 of 10626
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Originally Posted by BillBibeau View Post

You are forgetting the public money that Uncle Sam gives them too, even though it is much less in recent years than it has been in the past.

Gone, if the Mittster has anything to do with it.

_____
Who name's their kid " MITT " anyway?
post #10422 of 10626
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You are forgetting the public money that Uncle Sam gives them too, even though it is much less in recent years than it has been in the past.
_______

Gone, if the Mittster has anything to do with it.


WGBH and the big PBS stations can to without federal money - they have plenty of other sources, including the sales of programs to commercial cable - and the ever increasing ads, even if they are not called that. The government money would be better spent helping the small PBS stations stay independent and providing grants to small independent producers.

If WGBH was in need, they would not be so quick to antagonize their viewers.
post #10423 of 10626
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Originally Posted by Tschmidt View Post

The NHPTV web site is pretty vague about the impact changes will have on OTA viewers.

Finally got a response to my question, interestingly it came from WGBH rather then WENH.
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Thank you for your interest in WGBH and for your generous support. As a member-supported station, we strive to provide the most accurate information to our members.

The over-the-air NHPTV channel lineup is Prime (HD only, channel 11.1), Explore (standard-definition only, 11.2), World (11.3, as of Oct. 15th), and Kids (11.4, also as of Oct. 15th).

I hope that this information is helpful. It’s a highly competitive world out there for philanthropic support; our goal is to earn your trust and support every day. Thank you again for your support. For additional WGBH information, log in to WGBH.org to access schedules, share comments, or manage your membership preferences. Please contact WGBH Audience & Member Services with any questions, concerns, or feedback.

Sincerely,

Matt Cadarette
WGBH Audience & Member Services
617-300-3300 (M-F, 9-5)
post #10424 of 10626
Weather seems nice this morning but the Fox25 signal keeps dropping out in Metrowest.

Maybe a low signal or some work going on?

(Mis posted elsewhere but can't delete the new thread I created... Need more coffee)
post #10425 of 10626
Hello.

Any OTA antenna installers in the Worcester area? We have had an antenna installed on the roof for about two years with no problems. Now most channels cut out every few seconds, which makes watcing TV very frustrating. The signal is 100% on most channels though so not sure what is up. Looking for a professional to come out and diagnose the issue.

Thanks!
post #10426 of 10626
Several years ago I used http://www.newenglandantenna.com/ They did great work.
post #10427 of 10626
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Originally Posted by DocSmith View Post

Several years ago I used http://www.newenglandantenna.com/ They did great work.

Thanks for the referral. Gary from New England Antenna came out today and fixed the issue. TV is back to full signal!
post #10428 of 10626
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Originally Posted by marcavila View Post

Thanks for the referral. Gary from New England Antenna came out today and fixed the issue. TV is back to full signal!
what was wwong and how was it fixed?
post #10429 of 10626
The amp that was installed on the satellite was not functioning properly and was replaced. Also the antenna itself needed to be re-pointed.
post #10430 of 10626
thank you
post #10431 of 10626
PBS 44.1 HD and 2.1 HD OTA

Both HD channels continue to zoom 4:3 OAR programs to fill the 16:9 frame.
Tops of heads cut, heads cut off of standing foreground figures, sides missing.

Don't they at least monitor their transmission?

I have complained in the past to them directly and received a response which
really meant " please go away".

Quanity takes place over quality.
post #10432 of 10626
It was great to have TV during the last outage. News and entertainment are key to surviving an outage.

Did anyone notice that Comcast was running a commercial during the outage that featured a Dish subscriber bemoaning lost of service due to rain? It's still running and I wonder how many Comcast customers are thinking Dish or OTA would have worked during the outage.

My OTA adventure started during an earlier outage. I hooked an inexpensive antenna to the tv in my bedroom. To my surprise, the image quality was very good and there were a lot of channels.

We lose power a lot in New Hampshire. Outages last days not hours. A generator replaces the electric company, a smart phone provides internet and telecommunications, and an antenna in my attic keeps me entertained and informed.
post #10433 of 10626
WBPX (ION) has at some point added another subchannel - 68-4, which shows PSIP ID as ISHOP, but the on-screen bug displays ION Life. It appears to be, as suggested elsewhere, the west coast feed of ION Life. Given the name ISHOP, the current programming is likely temporary.
post #10434 of 10626
We have the same thing with WHPX-TV (ION) channel 26 of New London, CT (Hartford/New Haven DMA).
post #10435 of 10626
Anyone else seeing poor signal quality on WBZ 4.1 OTA today? I'm receiving all other Boston channels (2,5,7,25, etc) without any problems, but WBZ is cutting in and out all day 12/30/12 - post storm.
post #10436 of 10626
I noticed some signal level issues on 4.1 during the Colts/Texans game yesterday afternoon but it coincided with some odd behavior on my HTPC. After a reboot things worked fine so I figured it was just an issue with the HTPC. No issues during the later half of the that game or during the Pats game.
post #10437 of 10626
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Originally Posted by bobloblaw View Post

I noticed some signal level issues on 4.1 during the Colts/Texans game yesterday afternoon but it coincided with some odd behavior on my HTPC. After a reboot things worked fine so I figured it was just an issue with the HTPC. No issues during the later half of the that game or during the Pats game.

We had a power failure at the transmitter site in the afternoon, and we were running on generator power for a short time.  Our transmitter came up at reduced power when one of the two amplifiers did not come back up on its own.  That forced us to bring it back to life manually, which took 10 minutes or so.

post #10438 of 10626
Ah, thanks much for the update. Just glad I'm not the only one seeing things smile.gif
post #10439 of 10626
Hi ob,

Was the transmitter the older IOT type or newer Solid State modules?
post #10440 of 10626
Sorry, one of the B's didn't register Bob!
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