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post #10471 of 10625
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Originally Posted by wizwor View Post

I rely primarily on broadcast TV (I record WSBK from 3-8 every day). I also have some streaming devices (Roku and Sony Media Players plus Playon and Plex). We also have tablets (4xKindle Fire) that have apps for the local broadcasters. Why have the broadcasters not created Roku channels? I would think this would enhance revenue by increasing viewership. Seems like a win-win...no brainer.
TV Stations pay for the broadcast rights of most of the content they televise, and those agreements can limit the geographic area to their television market or to their coverage area, but not beyond to protect exclusivity. That is the main reason that TV stations cannot stream their content 24/7. If a broadcaster created a Roku channel, would the Roku playout device know whether its location was within the area approved by those rights agreements?
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It could. Aereo does this, but I can see where that would add cost and complexity that would be unattractive.
post #10473 of 10625
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Originally Posted by RYankowitz View Post

We had a momentary outage caused by a power loss.  Although our emergency generator kicked in as it should have, the transmitter had a bit of indigestion and needed a kick to get it back up and running.

Thanks!
post #10474 of 10625
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Originally Posted by George Molnar View Post

TV Stations pay for the broadcast rights of most of the content they televise, and those agreements can limit the geographic area to their television market or to their coverage area, but not beyond to protect exclusivity. That is the main reason that TV stations cannot stream their content 24/7. If a broadcaster created a Roku channel, would the Roku playout device know whether its location was within the area approved by those rights agreements?
I found this roku channel that has content from WCVB, WMUR, and a public access channel in Nashua. Not sure what is going on, but it looks like the local channels are making it easy for these guys to aggregate their content and they are wrapping the whole mess up in a nice Roku channel. I'd love to see all of our channels available like this. Live streaming is nice, but continuously streaming the latest clips or providing ondemand access is differently nice. Maybe you could pass this on to people in your programming office...

http://forums.roku.com/search.php?author_id=74688&sr=posts
post #10475 of 10625
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Originally Posted by RYankowitz View Post

We are still transmitting the signal, but at some point between now and April I expect to hear from Rovi to shut it down.

Has the TVGOS from WBZ been shut down? Right now I am only getting 6 days of program listings instead of the usual 7 days on my DTVPal DVR. All of my listings end at 4 am on Wednesday, 02/27.
post #10476 of 10625
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post


Has the TVGOS from WBZ been shut down? Right now I am only getting 6 days of program listings instead of the usual 7 days on my DTVPal DVR. All of my listings end at 4 am on Wednesday, 02/27.

Rovi notified me Tuesday they are shutting down in the Boston market (as they are nationwide).  Data is no longer being updated, though your DVR may still show it until it ages out.

post #10477 of 10625
Now that TVGOS is gone from Boston, I did a quick survey of how much PSIP data the stations I watch are putting out; it ranges from the minimum allowed 12 hours (WGBH and WHDH) to 72 hours (WLVI). Twelve hours is just about useless for setting up recordings, and even 72 hours is less than desirable; I'd love to see all stations providing a full week of PSIP data so I could set up recordings on an easy-to-remember once-a-week schedule. (As far as I know there are no significant technical problems with providing this much data; please correct me if I'm wrong.)

So it looks like it's time to politely lobby the various stations to increase the amount of PSIP data they transmit. If this is already being coordinated somewhere else, I'd appreciate a pointer. If not, I think it would be a good idea to create a list of the appropriate people to contact at each station, report any progress, and perhaps even agree on the maximum amount of PSIP data it's reasonable to request.

Comments? Data?
post #10478 of 10625
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Originally Posted by daa View Post

Now that TVGOS is gone from Boston, I did a quick survey of how much PSIP data the stations I watch are putting out; it ranges from the minimum allowed 12 hours (WGBH and WHDH) to 72 hours (WLVI). Twelve hours is just about useless for setting up recordings, and even 72 hours is less than desirable; I'd love to see all stations providing a full week of PSIP data so I could set up recordings on an easy-to-remember once-a-week schedule. (As far as I know there are no significant technical problems with providing this much data; please correct me if I'm wrong.)

So it looks like it's time to politely lobby the various stations to increase the amount of PSIP data they transmit. If this is already being coordinated somewhere else, I'd appreciate a pointer. If not, I think it would be a good idea to create a list of the appropriate people to contact at each station, report any progress, and perhaps even agree on the maximum amount of PSIP data it's reasonable to request.

Comments? Data?
I haven't done any work with PSIP data for quite a long time (the last time was when I was still working on the accessDTV software), but as I recall it wouldn't be practical to do a week or more of PSIP data. Even if that much data were available, you would have to tune to each channel and wait a while for the PSIP data to update to get a complete set of guide data - that's not exactly a practical solution.

What are you using for your DVR / recording solution? Depending on how technically inclined you are, there are at least a few PC based solutions that would solve the guide data problem for you. One would be Windows Media Center - if you have Windows 7 Home Premium or above, it's included with the OS. All you would need to do is add 1 or more tuners to a PC and you're good to go. Another option would be BeyondTV (plus 1 or more tuners) - even though they've stopped development, it's still a viable solution that works quite well, but costs $99. Neither of these solutions requires ongoing subscription fees. Both of these solutions can provide you with virtually unlimited storage space for recordings and support (or can be configured to support) as many tuners as you could possibly need. OTA tuners for PC's are pretty inexpensive these days.
post #10479 of 10625
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

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Originally Posted by daa View Post

Now that TVGOS is gone from Boston, I did a quick survey of how much PSIP data the stations I watch are putting out; it ranges from the minimum allowed 12 hours (WGBH and WHDH) to 72 hours (WLVI). Twelve hours is just about useless for setting up recordings, and even 72 hours is less than desirable; I'd love to see all stations providing a full week of PSIP data so I could set up recordings on an easy-to-remember once-a-week schedule. (As far as I know there are no significant technical problems with providing this much data; please correct me if I'm wrong.)

So it looks like it's time to politely lobby the various stations to increase the amount of PSIP data they transmit. If this is already being coordinated somewhere else, I'd appreciate a pointer. If not, I think it would be a good idea to create a list of the appropriate people to contact at each station, report any progress, and perhaps even agree on the maximum amount of PSIP data it's reasonable to request.

Comments? Data?


I haven't done any work with PSIP data for quite a long time (the last time was when I was still working on the accessDTV software), but as I recall it wouldn't be practical to do a week or more of PSIP data. Even if that much data were available, you would have to tune to each channel and wait a while for the PSIP data to update to get a complete set of guide data - that's not exactly a practical solution.

What are you using for your DVR / recording solution? Depending on how technically inclined you are, there are at least a few PC based solutions that would solve the guide data problem for you. One would be Windows Media Center - if you have Windows 7 Home Premium or above, it's included with the OS. All you would need to do is add 1 or more tuners to a PC and you're good to go. Another option would be BeyondTV (plus 1 or more tuners) - even though they've stopped development, it's still a viable solution that works quite well, but costs $99. Neither of these solutions requires ongoing subscription fees. Both of these solutions can provide you with virtually unlimited storage space for recordings and support (or can be configured to support) as many tuners as you could possibly need. OTA tuners for PC's are pretty inexpensive these days.

I've never worked with PSIP data, so I certainly could be missing something important, but I'd have thought that the (former) existance of TVGOS served as a demonstration that the amount of data involved doesn't present a serious technical problem -- after all, TVGOS sent (within a single station's signal) more data per item for a full week of items for all of the stations in a market.

Gathering up the PSIP data for all the channels I care about would indeed be ridiculously difficult if I had to do it by hand, but my DTVPal DVR does a nice job of collecting it automatically. IIRC unless I'm recording two channels or recording one and watching another it uses its second tuner to continually scan for PSIP data.

Thanks for the suggestions; I assume that they all get guide data from somewhere on the Internet. But I'd still like to have the stations I watch provide enough PSIP data to make the equipment I've already got work well.
post #10480 of 10625
Just thought I'd point out that WUTF 66.2 is now on air as Bounce.
post #10481 of 10625
I saw that. Is Bounce an english language channel? It was when I was watching this morning. I thought this was telefutura or something. Also, I have no PSIP data for wsbk 38.
post #10482 of 10625
BounceTV's primary target market is the African-American community.
post #10483 of 10625
Has anyone seen any PSIP data on channel 38 (WSBK in Boston)?
post #10484 of 10625
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Originally Posted by wizwor View Post

Has anyone seen any PSIP data on channel 38 (WSBK in Boston)?

Yes. I just checked and found what looks like 12 hours of it.
post #10485 of 10625
Now I have it until 4:00pm, but this is the first I've seen of PSIP data since TVGOS went away and follows an email from me to WSBK last night.
post #10486 of 10625
Looks like they are updating it now. Out to 10:00pm now.
post #10487 of 10625
I purchased :
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008KVUAGU/..._M3T1_ST1_dp_1

my TV Fool link is:
http:////www.tvfool.com/?option=com_...1dda71d5bae02c

Quality= of channels I received was great

but I got 37 channels which include around 10-11 Spanish channels plus
I was getting CBS, NBC and ABC news channel but not there normal ones( 12, 9 11)

My antenna gain is 5db is that the issue?

Can some one tell me what I should do if its possible to receive those channels

WPRI-TV CBS 13 12.1 VHF 18.0 kW Providence 34.00 mi 194.99°
WNAC-TV FOX 12 64.1 VHF 11.47 kW Providence 34.58 mi 195.90°
WLNE-TV ABC 49 6.1 UHF 350.0 kW New Bedford 34.85 mi 195.06°
WSBE-TV PBS 21 36.1 UHF 50.0 kW Providence 34.85 mi 195.06°
WJAR NBC 51 10.1 UHF 1000.0 kW Providence 34.85 mi 195.06°

this are the channels i want to receive
Edited by nisawe - 3/7/13 at 11:52am
post #10488 of 10625
Your TV Fool link is broken, so I don't know exactly where you are, but I can't believe that a small indoor antenna such as the one you have is going to pick up a signal from 35 miles away to give excellent reception. Plus, the Providence stations do not transmit at great power compared to larger city's transmitters. To get these channels you would need a larger directional antenna pointed in that direction in your attic or mounted outside.

SMK
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post #10490 of 10625
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Originally Posted by nisawe View Post

I purchased :

WPRI-TV CBS 13 12.1 VHF 18.0 kW Providence 34.00 mi 194.99°
WNAC-TV FOX 12 64.1 VHF 11.47 kW Providence 34.58 mi 195.90°
WLNE-TV ABC 49 6.1 UHF 350.0 kW New Bedford 34.85 mi 195.06°
WSBE-TV PBS 21 36.1 UHF 50.0 kW Providence 34.85 mi 195.06°
WJAR NBC 51 10.1 UHF 1000.0 kW Providence 34.85 mi 195.06°

this are the channels i want to receive

Those power levels are slightly off on WPRI & WNAC
Both stations are running 30kW, per their licenses.

Your TV Fool results may be off, if they are calculated on the wrong power level(s).
post #10491 of 10625
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Originally Posted by MrBruce View Post

@ Wizwor Here's my report:





http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d1dda8b4c8e9663

My Tv Fool actually states that Boston is 2 edge, however as I said I get WBZ in here at 45 to 55 % signal strength, no drop outs. WGBH as well.

Here's a good one, WUNI 29.1 and LATV 29.1 come in here at 75 to 80 % signal strength here.

WTNH 10.1 does NOT come in here at all, it is blocked by a vary large 3 story building about a 1/4 mile to the west-south-west of me.

WFSB 33.1 is a no show here as well. I have problems with the south-west to North-West here, the ground starts to rise in that direction and then the houses are basically 20 feet higher then my antennas, so I'm stuck pointed right into their attic areas of two houses.

31.1 WTIC and 45.1 WEDW boom in here though at 80-90%. WFSB Must have a lower tower or something, because it registers as 3% signal and that's about it.

I'd have to erect a 60 foot tower to over-come those houses, however, the 3 story building is roughly 100 feet higher then my antenna is so legally I can not erect anything that would work in that south-western direction.

Bruce.

Either your receiver has a mapping issue, or you are reading the information incorrectly

WUNI should be showing up as 27.1 or 29.3. Not "27.1". WTNH would be 8.1, or 10.3, not "10.1", WFSB 3.1 or 33.3, not "33.1"m WTIC 61.1 or 31.3, not "31.1", WEDW 24.1 or 45.3, not "31.1".
"25.1" is the mapped channel, what our PSIP information being transmitted is telling the receiver the channel is, and both parts are inculsive, "31.3" is the raw UHF channel and sub channel program number. What your TV would decode with no PSIP.
post #10492 of 10625
Some TVs, seeing no PSIP or having an issue decoding it, will sequentially assign channels, so it is entirely possible MrBruce is seeing the channels noted.

- Trip
post #10493 of 10625
I've noticed for the last couple weeks at least, WPXG-DT, 21.1 & 21.2 from the Concord, NH area is now MIA at my location. I used to get them as well as the other NH channels. Anyone know if something has happened there?
post #10494 of 10625
I have a couple Insignia Best Buy version of the Zenith CECB and even found a Zenith DTT901 for free at the still good shed at our dump. I agree it has a great tuner. I use one with my PC tuner card, much better tuner, and another with an old CRT TV.

We have not been able to receive WBIN/WZMY ever since they went digital. I have not tried very hard since it means rotating the antenna.
Interesting their web site they don't even list the broadcast channel just cable channels.
http://www.wbintv.com/program-line-up.html

The only place the RF/Virtual channel is even listed is in the FCC filings under the "Public File" tab.
https://stations.fcc.gov/station-profile/wbin-tv
post #10495 of 10625
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Originally Posted by nicoge21 View Post

By the way, is anyone still picking up WBIN (formerly WZMY) out of Derry NH? They are still broadcasting 7.3kW on UHF 35 (formerly UHF 50?)
Yes, receiving all 3 WBINs (50.1, 50.2, 50.3 UHF35) just fine here, west of Derry. April 14, 11:00 - you're only missing an infomercial right now smile.gif
post #10496 of 10625
I live in Worcester county and although I don't have cable I was still able to get a few channels through house co-ax connection (not antenna).....; 2.1 (PBS), 4.1 (CBS), 5.1 (ABC) and 116.1 (fox) and 116.2 (NBC).

Anyway last night I go to watch TV and Fox/NBC are now gone. I did an autoscan on my TV's but nothing but static and they haven't been reassigned.

Anyone else have this issue or know anything more about this?
post #10497 of 10625
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Originally Posted by sschantz View Post

I live in Worcester county and although I don't have cable I was still able to get a few channels through house co-ax connection (not antenna).....; 2.1 (PBS), 4.1 (CBS), 5.1 (ABC) and 116.1 (fox) and 116.2 (NBC).

Anyway last night I go to watch TV and Fox/NBC are now gone. I did an autoscan on my TV's but nothing but static and they haven't been reassigned.

Anyone else have this issue or know anything more about this?
Maybe the local cable company started encrypting everything so people can't get anything unless they're paying for service. But this thread is for OTA (antenna) users, so installing an antenna might help wink.gif.
post #10498 of 10625
Looks like WENH has added another subchannel. 11.5 Create. Now they have all the WGBH/WGBX channels

The addition has not been updated on the web site yet, so perhaps it is a fluke..
http://www.nhptv.org/schedule/single_chan.aspx?chooseDate=4/27/2013%208:27:04%20PM&chnl=create&view=
post #10499 of 10625
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Originally Posted by Tschmidt View Post

Looks like WENH has added another subchannel. 11.5 Create. Now they have all the WGBH/WGBX channels
I do miss the old WENH, when they had their own material that varied from GBH/X (and apparently had more state funding too). Why do they even bother keeping the WENH call sign? They should just set up more repeaters around the state and get WGBH's material a broader coverage area.
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I hope I'm posting in the right place! I was advised to post here, based on this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1471453/do-i-need-a-digital-converter-box#post_23284345

I live in Charlestown and want to cancel my Comcast and had no idea what I needed to get regular network (non-cable) channels. Based on my type of TV (I was told it has an ATSC tuner), I was told all I'd need was an antennae. Can anyone advise me which kind of antennae would work best for Boston? I'd love a reco of brand/type, so I can confidently order one and not feel like it's a crap shoot if it will work!

Thank you!
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