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post #241 of 10632
Try 042-2

Tim
post #242 of 10632
Quote:


Originally posted by metamatt:
I cannot get 7-1 anymore and 42-1 does not come up. Anyone else having this problem?

I get 25-1, 5-1, and 30-1 for NBC.

You receive WCVB mapped to 5-1? Which receiver are you using? I currently receive the following with my E*6000:

4-1 - WBZ-DT
9-1 - WMUR-DT
20-1 - WCVB-DT
23-1 - WHUB-DT
23-2 - WHUB-DT
25-1 - WFXT-DT
42-2 - WHDH-DT
57-3 - WENH-DT

Curious if WCVB is mapping to 5-1 and my 6000 just doesn't pick it up. Quite often WHDH-DT (42-2) briefly maps to 7-1, then quickly reverts. I was always under the assumption that they were just testing but now I'm wondering if it is my receiver.

Anyone with any insight?

Chip
post #243 of 10632
I soon plan to have an outdoor antenna installed, and I want to do it right the first time. I live in Marblehead, MA (01945). There are no "huge" hills or buildings nearby, but my house is reletively "low" compared to most other houses in town. There are many tall trees surrounding my house (maybe extending 23-30 feet higher than my roof. My house is two stories, and I do not have a metal type roof. I have used this website's "search function" so I do have some information. I have tried the antenna selector websites, but I do not find them to be even remotely accurate (they would practically have me think that a paperclip stuck in my receiver would get NH stations ... I think MegaWave must be funding their site). I have tried the following antennas, all with a RadioShack 26 db signal aplifier: MegaWave (sometimes works for some of the stations), RadioShack double-bowtie (sometimes works for some of the stations, SilverSensor (usually works on most stations). Currently, I do pretty well with WBZ and WCVB. WFXT and NBC come and go. I cant get any PBS stations.

I only need to use the antenna for one TV, located on the first floor. My TV is a Sony Wega KV-32XBR400 and my set top box is a ProScan PSHD-105 (same as the RCA DTC-100) with the RCA VHDC-300 RGB-to-component converter.

I am looking to have one outdoor antenna mounted on my roof or chimney. Visually, the antenna has to be somewhat acceptable to my wife, who isnt a fan of outdoor antennas. It cant be the most expensive thing in the world, but I do want to do it right. I want it to be durable enough that weather (snow, ice, and typical wind) wont wreck it. I DONT want to need to use a rotor if possible.

I'd like to get a very strong reliable signal for 30-1, 20-1, 31-2, and 42-1 (and any PBS would be nice). Anything else is a bonus.

Based on people's real world experience (not a website), what antenna is suggested for my situation? I assume all RG6 cable is recommended? Should I start out with a signal amplifier or not? Thanks for the help.

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Rick W. Scogland

My Email Address:
rickscogland@mediaone.net

My Home Theater:
The Scogland Home Theater

[This message has been edited by RScogland (edited 09-13-2001).]
post #244 of 10632
Rick,

You are approximately 23 miles from the Needham towers so you shouldn't have any trouble picking up the stations with a relatively small antenna.

All of the stations you have mentioned broadcast from the same area, so you could get away without a rotor, but if you really want to future-proof you should spend the money and include a rotor in your setup. At least for the near future WGBH (PBS) will not be broadcasting, so if you want PBS you would need to get it from WENH-DT in NH. For this you will need a rotor. Trust me when I tell you that right now PBS has the best HDTV available OTA.

I'm about the same distance from the towers as you, and I am able to get at least an 80% signal on each of the major networks using a Channel Master 3023 antenna mounted in my attic. (installation photos)

If you have any specific questions please feel free to contact me directly.

Chip
post #245 of 10632
I found a web page that plots tower locations right down to street level. It's at http://sites.netscape.net/bostondtv
post #246 of 10632
Quote:


Originally posted by RScogland:
I soon plan to have an outdoor antenna installed, and I want to do it right the first time. I live in Marblehead, MA (01945)

Rick,

I live fairly low also - on Salem Harbor, but I have no obstructions as I'm on the waterfront. Currently I have a Radio Shack UXR-75 UHF-only on a short mast on my roof pointed at Needham. I get all the local digitals on my Mitsubishi SR-HD5. If I manually point towards Manchester I can get WMUR-DT (not watchable - they broadcast an upconverted 480i image stretched to 16:9) and WEND-DT marginally. If I add my R/S UHF preamp, they're rock solid. Even with a Silver Sensor in the house, I can still get all the locals from Needham.

I tried a Channel Master combiner to combine both antennas on the roof, but it caused too much multipath on WHDH (channel 42), and WENH & WMUR dropped completely off the map. So right now I'm waiting on a Channel Master Jointenna that I ordered. Hopefully I'll be able to point the UXR-75 at New Hampshire (with the pre-amp) and the SS towards Needham so I can get everything without resorting to a rotor. And no, WHUB-DT - the shopping channel - doesn't count, although I get it from time to time.

I'll let you know how it works out!



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post #247 of 10632
Chip, I thought PBS WHGH was supposed to start broadcasting September 19 on channel 19, isn't this right?
post #248 of 10632
Very odd, on my cable ch. 4 (normally NBC) as well as over the air DTV ch. 4, UPN 38 is being broadcast!
Strange, huh?
post #249 of 10632
Hi Bob Hess,
Do you have any contacts at WHDH (NBC)? They have very obvious problems with field interleaving, so they have bad ghosting delays with all their material. They are also out of lipsync. I really wonder if they even watch their own signal?

Also, are they still in beta mode? Their signal is the weakest by far, worse than Fox. ABC and CBS are pegged at full strength.

BTW, last couple of days UPN and CBS have been swapping! Very odd.
Steve
post #250 of 10632
Quote:


Originally posted by Soycrema:
Chip, I thought PBS WHGH was supposed to start broadcasting September 19 on channel 19, isn't this right?

That was their plan, but it seems that as each deadline approaches they push the date back further.

Some recent encouraging news is that they (WGBH) have recruited some local DTV owners to be part of beta test group. Not sure when that is going to happen, but if you look back through this thread you can find some more info.

Even though I have no problem receiving PBS from WENH-DT in Durham, NH, I'm still looking forward to WGBH-DT if for no other reason than the possible variety it will then offer.

The more HD we can get on the air the better it will be for everyone!

Chip
post #251 of 10632
Jon/Rick
I am very much interested in making the plunge into HDTV but am concerned about what I'll be able to receive. I live in Salem MA and consider myself in a low area. About 25 years ago I had what was considered to be a half decent outdoor antenna and experienced severe problems with ghosting. I was told by several people this was because of the smoke stacks at the power plant.
I'm told today it's still a trial & error type thing. I find it hard to believe that there's no meter that could be used to check what one would get for reception.
What gives?
post #252 of 10632
Ralph,
I live about 40 miles from the towers, in a low area with a hill in front of me and a 2 1/2 story condo in front of me. My Rat Shack antenna is in the attic of my 2 story home pointed directly at the 2nd floor of the condo. I also have a diplex of one sat line with the antenna signal. Without an amp I could get every station except FOX. With the amp I now get FOX. I consider my setup the worst case scenario. If it works at my house I think it should work in most peoples homes around the 495 belt.

---Andy Garabedian

P.S. If you can get Ch. 44 analog with a decent picture and sound you should be ok. My 44 is a bit snowy, but watchable.

[This message has been edited by andyg (edited 09-13-2001).]
post #253 of 10632
Ralph,

Is the power plant still smoking? Maybe it is, and I just dont notice it. I was under the impression that they had to reduce the smoke.

Just FYI ... I have heard of the "channel 44 guideline" which probably is a good indicator, but I actually get a horrible picture on channel 44 with my current indoor antenna setup, and I still get a pretty reliable picture on CBS and ABC (sometimes reliable on NBC, and not too reliable on FOX).

My suggestion as to whether or not to "make the plunge into HDTV" is:

1.) Be sure to educate yourself on the Firewire / Copywrite Protection / 5C issues (personally, I'm not that educated on the issues, but since I had already bought my equipment before it was an issue, I couldnt do much about it anyway).

2.) Try to assume that you CAN get OTA HDTV from the high power networks (CBS and ABC), and buy your equipment locally from a store who allows you to return the equipment for a full refund. You are close enough to get the major networks, so just bite the bullet and get the best antenna setup in the beginning (use all RG6 quad shield cable, get a high db gain adjustable signal amplifier, get a high quality outdoor antenna properly installed, and consider a rotor). You will never know without trying.

3.) Because of the slight chance that for whatever reason you might NOT be able to get OTA, try not to get too excited until you see it does work. Even if it didnt, you would potentially be able to get satellite HDTV from DirecTV (HBO & HDnet / PPV) and/or DishNetwork (HBO, Showtime, PPV, and maybe CBS).

At the time I bought my equipment, I was temporarily living in my parents basement while my new house was being worked on. I knew I might not be able to get satellite HDTV because my house is surrounded by trees, but I figured that since I could get OTA with an indoor antenna in a basement, that I could get it anywhere. Now, I just want to get it more reliably (ie: not having to manually move the antenna) so I want it outdoors.

Ghosting is something I know little about. I dont think I've ever seen it (we got cable when I was real young, so my only antenna experience has been with a digital signal). Is ghosting as much of an issue with a digital signal? Is there a way to fix it if it is a problem? I've heard that high end JVC VCR's (the 9600 thru 9900 series) help ghosting, but how could you put one in the loop of a HDTV setup?

If at some point you are looking for an installer of an antenna and/or an HDTV capable satellite setup, I can recommend, "The Antenna Man" in Beverly, who did my DirecTV installation, and will probably be doing my antenna installation. He recommended that I have him intall a "Channel Master 4-bay UHF antenna with a rectangular mesh that is about 2-feet by 3-feet" ... does anyone have any comments on this antenna (I dont have the model number for it).

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Rick W. Scogland

My Email Address:
rickscogland@mediaone.net

My Home Theater:
The Scogland Home Theater

[This message has been edited by RScogland (edited 09-14-2001).]
post #254 of 10632
Quote:


Originally posted by spearse:
Hi Bob Hess,
Do you have any contacts at WHDH (NBC)? They have very obvious problems with field interleaving, so they have bad ghosting delays with all their material. They are also out of lipsync. I really wonder if they even watch their own signal?

Also, are they still in beta mode? Their signal is the weakest by far, worse than Fox. ABC and CBS are pegged at full strength.

BTW, last couple of days UPN and CBS have been swapping! Very odd.
Steve

Steve,

I'll pass your comments on to WHDH. I'm not sure of what power they are operating at right now, but they do have the capability of operating at full power. Perhaps they have some technical problems. They are not located at the WBZ site.

WBZ-4, UPN-38 and UPN-28 are all located in the same facility. We have used all three stations to distribute the current news updates. Last night, we simulcast our 7 PM UPN-38 news on WBZ-4. We also had WCBS from NYC up on UPN-38 last night.

Bob


[This message has been edited by Bob Hess (edited 09-14-2001).]
post #255 of 10632
Thanks Bob! You're terrific.

I take it from an above post that NBC is not at full power, explaining why their signal is comparatively weak (FOX is also weak vs. CBS and ABC).

Looks like NBC in Boston put up DTV as an afterthought anyway-- they don't pass Leno through in hi-def.

Steve
post #256 of 10632
Andy/Rick
Thanks for the feedback, I guess I'll do a little more research on receivers and antennas then bite the bullet.

Thanks again!
post #257 of 10632
I have found that the Panasonic TU-HDS20 guide has 4-1, 5-1, 7-1, and 25-1. But channels 4 and 7 are not picked up there. Instead they are 4 = 30.1 (which is on the guide without any program info) and 7 = 42-1 (which does not show up on the guide at all, even after it comes up fine when entered. 5-1 comes up fine, as does 25-1. This is with an indoor antenna and only a few miles from the towers.
post #258 of 10632
Dear Viewers,

Thank you for your continued interest in WGBH digital broadcasting. Â*We are pleased to announce that WGBH will be testing its digital broadcast transmitter on WGBH-DT19 on 9/24 through 9/27 from 7:00 PM - 12:00 AM.

The principal digital programming event on Monday, September 24 through Thursday, September 27 - to be broadcast from 8:00PM to 10:00PM each evening - will be EVOLUTION, a seven-part series produced by WGBH for national distribution on PBS.

EVOLUTION will be broadcast in Boston in high definition format (1080i) on WGBH-DT19, and simultaneously (in analog) on WGBH-TV2. DTV-19 will rebroadcast the episode nightly from 10PM to Midnight.

This "journey into where we're from and where we're going" presents evolution from the perspective of science journalism, bringing to life Charles Darwin's simple theory that forms the bedrock of all biology.

Thank you for your interest in WGBH-DT19.

Sincerely,
WGBH Audience & Member Services
feedback@wgbh.org
post #259 of 10632
A_S
Great news!! Do you know what power level you will be broadcasting DTV-19 at?
Ron
post #260 of 10632
GREAT NEWS WGBH!!!!! Keep up the good work! I'll look forward to Evolution in 1080i

Thanks!
post #261 of 10632
Audience_Services,

Awesome! I can't begin to tell you how excited I am about seeing 'GBH's Evolution (lousy pun intended ) in HD!

Regards -- Steve
post #262 of 10632
Great news! Finally quality HDTV in Boston!!
Steve
post #263 of 10632
Audience_Services,

Please pass along our appreciation to all those at WGBH that are making this possible. We may complain a bit, but we truly do appreciate the efforts. And please don't be a stranger...keep us in the loop!

Now where's that checkbook...

Chip
post #264 of 10632
Given the current state of my Durham feed, really looking forward to the PBS flagship returning to flagship status.

Checkbook comes out when I get more than 0% signal strength on 19.

Looking forward to plenty of HD content on WGBH-DT. Hopefully you can rebroadcast the Jiohn Singer Sargent production, given that he is considered a "local son."

Tim

[This message has been edited by rudolpht (edited 09-19-2001).]
post #265 of 10632
I, too am ecstatic about this. In previous posts I documented my cessation of contributions to WGBH until they went HD. Well, I guess my membership just got renewed.

SMK
post #266 of 10632
Durham rules!

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Steve P
post #267 of 10632
WGBH on the air is HUGE news. Granted it's only a test for a few days but, hopefully, we'll see more in the immediate future...particularly HD material.

Now, if NBC would produce more HD programming I'll bet our local affiliate would take the plunge as well.
post #268 of 10632
Quote:


Originally posted by jeff43:
... it's only a test for a few days

Only a test??????? Durham definitely does rule if WGBH does not carry ALL PBS digital feed HD events.

Tim
post #269 of 10632
speculation:
"we're testing" = code for we can't justify the power bill full time yet. I suspect HD events will all be carried.
post #270 of 10632
REMINDER: PBS-HD's Evolution begins airing tonight, Monday, September 24 through Thursday, September 27. I can't wait

Regards -- Steve
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