Is the CRT dying? - Page 3  

QQQ,
Yes it matters in my application. The panel is either on of off. If on I want to see black not gray.

As far as improving by a significant margin, so far thats a blanking shutter.

As long as they take that approach I dont see the engine improving anytime soon. I know we need to make the technologies advance but Im not seeing that happen. What I am seeing is band-aids to sell the product and saying its good.

It will improve but a no signal is a part of everyday switching, I dont want that to show and without a black burst or bandage. Doug

IMHO , I think CRT will die sooner than we want to see , it is not that PQ equalled by Digital but from no market demand ! When Tim & other good guys cannot find a living from CRT sale or services , they may leave and then us un-supportted , VDC will do no retubing and then we will be forced to leave CRT , I am afraid that day wouldn't be long !! I am a bit worried !

One other thing to consider:

I agree, the purchase of a new CRT is pretty much a non issue for the average Joe.

You'd be surprised how many 'Joes' come back to CRT after suffering with an older LCD though.

One other thing that has not really been touched on.

Ive seen running across 30K + hour CRT's since I got started in this area 5 years ago. Just how many DLP and LCD units will last over 10K hours? From what I've seen, absolutely none! It's a disposable technology, much like computers, and to me, that's an absolute waste. Can I do anything about it? of course not! But it's a sad state on today's society. (jeez, I sound like an old geezer!)

So yeah, new CRT's have limited use, there's some applications like flight simulators that demand it, and the rich that can still afford it. And lots of people want to buy something new in the box, so they are not candidates for CRT's either.

But after they have gone thru their third LCD/DLP due to the bulbs and other parts having been discontinued, I'll still be watching my XG with original tubes and original chassis.

As for VDC getting out of retubing, I really doubt it. Think of all the VDT's out there, bank machines, etc. Those all stil get retubed for years to come. CRT projectors is a small fraction of what they do. If they get out of it, I'll buy their rephosphoring machine for $1.00, being the only bidder that knows what it is on eBay..;)

But I'll share!..;)..;)

Curt

larry,
Yes I know. I heard it all 3 years ago but we are still here today, even with the technologies happening.

Im thinking the direction its going is keeping us here.

As long as AVS forum is still running Im hoping we have a CRT section to come to.

Now theres a thought. Doug

Oh, my guess? 2-3 years of me still selling projectors at a rate that I am now, and about 10-15 years of repairs after that, until the last one has given up the ghost. Then they'll go up in value as antiques..:)

Curt

back a number of years ago
the quarts watch movement came along
and the death of the atomatic movement
was announced
well its still around
and my daytona still keeps time
better than any plastic timex made

XANATOS

I finally got to see one of the new HD2 DLP's perform (Yamaha DPX-1000).

Me likum the picture so much that, frankly, it's now just a matter of the price differential and that's all. I'd still choose used CRT. But only because it's cheaper.

is crt dying? .........no,just look at the growth with the amount of members the forum has, never mind the sale of crt,s and parts etc, if anything its getting better, the death of crt,s has definetly been greatly exagerated to the chagrine of all in the bulb forum, besides where else can you get such a wonderful ht experience for the exspence involved? ..................

p.s its amazing how much avs is missed when the local forest fires burn down the internet connections for a few days.......................

Well, I don't think that CRT's are dying, but I know that today MY Ampro died...

Just before the CART race resumed on HDnet. Crackling sound and the picture went completely black, with an accompanying burning smell...

:(

I have parts..:)

Curt

CURT SUCH SHAMELESS ADVERTISING:eek:
DON'T YOU GET ENOUGH FROM EVERYBODY
RECOMMENDING YOU TO ANY ONE WHO NEEDS A PART
OR PROJECTOR IS THERE NO PLEASING YOU :)


WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE AUDIO MARKET
DOES 50-100,000$$$$ DOLLAR SPEAKER
SYSTEMS MAKE UP 1% 2%3%
YET THEY ARE STILL MADE AND SOLD
ITS THE SAME WITH NEW CRT PROJECTORS
AND WILL BE TILL A BETTER TECHNOLOGY COMES ALONG



XANATOS

Hey bob, how much was the hd2?natve 1080 but honestly didnt it look sterile?

It was $10k, madclammer. I might consider paying that much money for a car. But a video projector? Not on your life.
It's native 720p. Yes, it's not quite as smooth as CRT. And it's not as black. But it's close enough on both counts now to suit me.

Sorry to hear your AmPro died, Robert. But don't worry. AmPros are modular and anything about them is fixable. And you've got Curt, Thurman, Ray and a host of others here who will help you through it.

Bob

I was this close to buying a DLP Projector. I was setting one up in a customers home and while it looked good. (the customer liked it) The CRT is just much better. I'm hunting for a good used Crt. Got the ok from the wife and now im in!

CRT's Dead???? not to those who know what they're about.

Well, someone asked, so I have to reply. I just bought a new Seleco SVD 500 Plus with the HD upgrade. It's not used, not open box, not refurbished, but NEW.

Admittedly, I got it well under MSRP, so maybe someone will infer that Sim2 must be blowing them out because the CRT business is drying up. On the other hand, there are currently four Sim2/Seleco CRT models in production and for sale, so I don't see the product line as moribund just yet.

I know there is some feeling that the SVD 500 is not on a par with some of the larger, more expensive models. Someone might want to point out that I could have purchased a better used CRT for less (please don't) or that a stand alone line doubler would be preferable to the built in up converter (I'm not listening), but the challenge essentially was "No one is buying new in the CRT world, or at least they're not talking about it," so I thought I'd say, "Yes, at least one guy is." I know that's not a trend.

Compared to my $4,500 LCD projector, this Seleco's output is absolutely amazing. Also, it was cheaper than any of the top quality LCDs and DLPs I previewed, plus it came with the line doubler. In addition, it's got tremendous flexibility in inputs and configuration, and it's relatively easy to set up. Finally, it will last longer (fingers crossed).

So: superior picture, lower price, included line doubler, easy set up, and longer life. Who wouldn't buy this over a more expensive LCD or DLP? For me, the CRT is just starting to live.

Hi Bob,

Yeah, I knew it would go someday. Now I need to decide to fix it or jump back to the digital side. I was going to in about 6 months after the new models come out but this is really forcing my hand.

And I'm not all that good in diagnosing/repairing whatever is wrong inside (but I did pretty good in setting it up!)

anybody interested in an Ampro 2000g with infrared remote? :)


BTW, I've noticed the older I get, the more I like Rachmaninoff's music. He was very underrated...

QQQ,I gotta disagree. How many new Lamborghini's are gonna roll off the "production line" this year?? Not many. Are they Dying. Not even, the local Lambo dealer is a customer o' mine and he has orders for lambo's that wont be delivered til 2 years from now.

Just because CRT's arent in the Mass Market doesnt mean that they are dying. I for one am glad that the digital projectors are becoming so Cheap, and user friendly. Thats where a lot of my $$$ are coming from. The small digitals are bringing more people into the marketplace. Which is great. But when i have a customer who asks me for the BEST picture available. I point him to a CRT. Does it have certain caveats, yes. Can they be quirky or require more maintenance. Yup. But when your friends see the picture, nothing will make them more jealous. Just like the lambo.

For those of you who havent had the pleasure. Nothing I mean Nothing turns a girls head like a racing Yellow Lamborghini Drop top!!!!

Its pure Joy.

emdawgz1,

You tell him !!! Some people just can't seem to understand that.

Hey, my XG135 is chick magnet, and a dust magnet too for that matter.:D

Sam Runco was on the forum on 2/11/02. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=103730

Here is what he said:
So if you go by his 5 year number, Runco will offer CRT for another 3 1/2 years. Of course the reality is that they will sell them until their supply is gone. That will be less than 3 1/2 years. BTW, the DTV-1100 that you mentioned seeing in A/V Interiors hasn't been made for a couple of years.

Now here's what Sam said that some of you will love and celebrate:
Translation: I'm going to say that until we sell out of our current supply.

QQQ
(you already made such a post ) the 1292 projector i bought last
year was called b stock but it was new
and it cost a bit over 6,000$$$$$$$$
well below the msrp
so theres 1
a few post back another in this
very thread filecat13 posted that he bought
a new seleco svd 500
someone else posted a time ago they
were buying a new barco 812
but they went for the cine8
do to the smaller size
so thats three


XANATOS:cool:

Hey QQQ,

I bought a NEW CRT projector about 3 months ago. What are you implying, that I had to post the the purchase on the forum? Projection Systems posted 20 new projectors on their website a few weeks ago, included were about 5 BRAND NEW E'home (Christie) 9500LC projectors. I wanted to buy one in the worst way to replace my main projector, however, THEY WERE ALL GONE IN 3 or 4 days.

This whole thread has degenerated to the ridiculous at this point. WHO CARES, if you want to proclaim that CRT IS DEAD, go ahead, it won't change the fact that it is still recognized, BY EXPERTS, as being the BEST technology available today for the reproduction of material originating on film, which is something I am considered an expert in and have been a member of the SMPTE for over 25 years.

Just buy whatever makes you happy QQQ !

Regards,
Bruce

Robert, if you saw the Yami at a DLP convention after 5 free Martinis from the scantily clad "Yamaha girls", that dosen't count :p

It's still recognized by this expert as having the best picture quality. Unfortunately, that has NOTHING to do with the threads question.

p.s. I'm glad to see that you capitalized "CRT IS DEAD". That shows that painful as it is, you're subconscious mind is trying to face the truth.