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post #1021 of 23446
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Originally posted by MrPorterhouse
INHD and INHD2 are the most amazing HD that I have ever seen, PERIOD. The programming on these channels rotates, and varies widely in subject from sports(awesome) to concerts to nature shows(Discovery-type) to movies.

Got to agree with this statement. Fabulous HD picture. Unfortunately they repeat a lot of programming over and over.

Baseball in HD on these channels is spectacular, but I wish they'd show an Indians game. The team is actually starting to be worth watching again.

They have some good concerts as well (Little Feat; Lynyrd Skynyrd; etc.), although, most often, the audio is only stereo and not Dolby Digital 5.1.

It is my belief (and hope) that as we go along, there will be more programming available, and the repeating will diminish some.

All in all, iNHD is off to a very good start.
post #1022 of 23446
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Originally posted by Dweezilz
$7.95 per month is not an aditional fee keep in mind. If you had just plain digital cable, you'd be paying the same for the 1st box....

I totally respect your opinion, but from this point of view, to me it's not that bad. PLEASE understand that this is my opinion so let's not start the flames again.

That $7.95 sure looks like an extra fee to me. All I know is that when I swapped out my old box for the new HD one, they added a $7.95 charge to my bill where there was no charge before. I don't know what they charge for non-HD boxes now, but back at Christmas when I added the HD service, there was no charge at all for my old SD box.

Actually, the new box started at $3.95, then went to $7.95 after a couple of months. And that's exactly what they told me at the time - that I'd find an additional $7.95 added to my bill. So I think you're mistaken on that point.

No, I intend no flames, I just find Adelphia to be a bit higher in price than I think they should be. They offer decent HD service, but at a premium price. I suppose I'll pay it, but grudgingly. They'd just better get CBS, UPN, and WB added soon.
post #1023 of 23446
OK. I appreciate your effort not to flame me, but to end this debate, I called Adelphia to get the definative answer. I just got off the phone with a very helpful person who explained it to me (or better said verified what I said previously). There is a charge for the digital cable box regardless if you are seeing it or not. I can't tell you what you saw in your December bill, but it is there. I asked about in the past & the woman verified that there has always been a charge for the digital box rental and it's $3.50 for the 1st box and $6.50 for the 2nd ($3.50 plus $3 extra box fee). I made a typo and reversed the charges for the 1st and 2nd box, but it's obvious that I was saying the HD box is $4 more (which is what I said actually). On your bill, it may be listed as something else, but I assure you it's there. I'm reading off my JANUARY 2004 bill here:

Digital Add'l - $6.50
-Receivers at $3.25 each (it went up $0.25 since)
-Service Charge $3 each (each additional)

In my post I said approximately because I wasn't sure...I was close with $4 being the difference. So the 'new' charge of $7.95 is about $4.50 more than you were previously paying, which is about what I said.

So in the end...I was not mistaken. $7.95 for the HD instead of $3.50 for the digital box, for a difference of $4.45. Add that to $5 and you pay LESS for 5 channels on Adelphia than you do on Dish Network or DirectTV.

I think once you see this, you'll see that it's not a bad deal at all. And...when I got the HD box, mine was $3.95 at first then $7.95. I never even mentioned that so I don't know how I could be mistaken about it. Also, we forget that there isn't any expensive reciever to purchase. I dropped $400 on my dish receiver which is equivalent to over 50 months of Adelphia's hardware charge...all in one lump sum. Again, it's not that bad when you get a real handle on what the charges actually are.

-Todd
post #1024 of 23446
Dweezilz is quite correct. I assume that all of you with Adelphia cable aren't just watching analog channels on your expensive Hd televisions. I also assume that you have at least one digital box. So the total cost of your upgrade to Hd will only be $9.45. $4.45 for the equipment and $5.00 for the addtional programming.

Then again from one who knows When the new HD/DVR combo box is ready, it will be the same price ($7.95), however if you are a gold package subscriber or better (2+ premium movie channels), then your total cost for both services is still $9.45. Gold pak+ members get DVR service free. Can't think of anyone who can beat that.

As soon as I get another update about the combo box I will be sure to post it, but I hear they are waiting for another software upgrade to drive certain outputs like the IEEE1394 port.
post #1025 of 23446
It really doesn't matter how the charge is hidden. If the total bill was $100 before, and now its $107.95, then thats $7.95 no matter how you define it. He didn't flame you, he was just pointing out the fact that he pays extra for it.
post #1026 of 23446
HOLD ON Mr.Porterhouse...who said anything about him flaming me? You totally read that wrong!! He didn't flame me and I never said he did. In fact, in the first line of my post, I said I appreciated him trying not to flame which was COMPLIMENTING him as he said he intended no flame. I was thanking him, not scolding him! HA! It was worded in an ambigious why so I see how you thought I said that, but you misunderstood. Go back & re-read it including his last paragraph & you'll see nobody accused him of flaming. Can you tell I'm agrivated here? ha! It's just frustrating to post something & then have people completely either misinterpret or ignore what's been said. Sorry if this comes off harsh, but it's getting very old.

Also, this is not even a debateable thing unless somehow his bill is different than everyone elses, mine, & different from what Adelphia told me. The bill is NOT $7.95 more due to hardware. It's quite plain to see. You pay $3.50 for the digital box and $7.95 for HD box. When you remove the digital box, you remove the $3.50 and get $7.95 added. The difference is $4.45 n ot $7.95. I's simple math for goodness sakes. I don't know what else to say if people don't understand it. How much plainer can it be.

People need to carefully read before posting!! We need to get our facts more or less straight before complaining is all I'm saying. Mistakes can happen I realize so don't get me wrong in that respect, but I'm trying to explain the mistakes about the billing and cost so it's more palateable for everyone.

-Todd
post #1027 of 23446
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Originally posted by handsworth
Dweezilz is quite correct. I assume that all of you with Adelphia cable aren't just watching analog channels on your expensive Hd televisions. I also assume that you have at least one digital box. So the total cost of your upgrade to Hd will only be $9.45. $4.45 for the equipment and $5.00 for the addtional programming.

Then again from one who knows When the new HD/DVR combo box is ready, it will be the same price ($7.95), however if you are a gold package subscriber or better (2+ premium movie channels), then your total cost for both services is still $9.45. Gold pak+ members get DVR service free. Can't think of anyone who can beat that.

As soon as I get another update about the combo box I will be sure to post it, but I hear they are waiting for another software upgrade to drive certain outputs like the IEEE1394 port.

Thanks for your post!! Someone understands what I was saying! At least there's one person in the world that understands me. HA!
post #1028 of 23446
Dweezilz(Todd)
I don't intend to cause misunderstanding, or make matters worse. I understand your math and the price difference. I also understand the post that I was refering to by Jim Gilliland. His math showed a $7.95 difference(not a $7.95 charge), your math showed a $4.45 difference. I don't really care regardless, as I don't even have Adelphia. I fully understood your point, his point, and my point. You've obviously put in great effort to sort this out, and that is commendable and helps us all understand the big picture better. A trivial charge like that shouldn't matter anyway, as long as you get the HD programing that you want to view.
post #1029 of 23446
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Originally posted by Dweezilz
So in the end...I was not mistaken. $7.95 for the HD instead of $3.50 for the digital box, for a difference of $4.45.

You are correct. I checked my earlier bill, and there is indeed a charge for the older digital box. Apparently Adelphia didn't understand this themselves when I first signed up for HD service back in December. So the difference is smaller than I thought it was.
post #1030 of 23446
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Originally posted by Jim Gilliland
You are correct. I checked my earlier bill, and there is indeed a charge for the older digital box. Apparently Adelphia didn't understand this themselves when I first signed up for HD service back in December. So the difference is smaller than I thought it was.

No problem at all. I'm glad we straightened it out. It's very understandable as I've heard all sorts of wrong things from Adelphia people over the years. Wrong info, wrong prices, etc... The cable installer even told me a few months ago that HD wasn't much different than digital cable anyway! ha!! Dish is no better for CS. When I was trying to get the new Dish 811-hd reciever back in Dec., I must have been told 6 different stories why they failed to ship it to me after placing the order 3 different times. Then it turned out they wouldn't sell it to me stand-alone yet even though their website gave a stand-alone price! I had already sold & shipped my Dish 6000-HD receiver so I was beyond upset that Dish never delivered the 811. After two months without HD, I finally received it. I think it's that type of customer service in general...they often aren't even close to knowlegable enough to have the job!

Anyway, let's hope that WOIO-CBS and Adelphia (and others who don't carry CBS-HD) can work things out soon. For those who don't have Dish as an alternate like I do, remember you can always buy an OTA tuner for about $150-$200 on eBay should football season roll around (not to mention three CSI shows) & Adelphia still has no CBS-HD.

Take care.

-Todd
post #1031 of 23446
Speaking of WOIO, is WUAB showing Smallville and Enterprise in HD? The reason I ask is that means we need them too, and since they're owned by the same company as WOIO, hopefully they'll come in together to cable companies not currently offering them.
post #1032 of 23446
Star Trek and Smallville are shown in HD on WUAB. As I noted in a previous post , for me, the picture is dark, with little contrast and poor color saturation.

Have others noted this problem? I'd be interested in a reviews of the transmitted HDTV video quality on WKYC, WJW, WEWS, WOIO, WUAB, WNEO etc.
post #1033 of 23446
just to let everyone know people with comcast hd now have discovery hd theater. Its on channel 205 in my city. Might be different in other peoples cities.
post #1034 of 23446
I though smallville was on the WBNX, not WUAB?
post #1035 of 23446
You're absolutely right; it's on the WB, no UPN. My error...
post #1036 of 23446
Woops! There is another series broadcast in HD on WUAB, I thought it was Smallville, my mistake.
post #1037 of 23446
Yea, I got Discovery-HD this morning, channel 205, Comcast in North Ridgeville.
post #1038 of 23446
jake 2.0 was in HD on UPN but that show quickly got the axe.
post #1039 of 23446
Does anyone know for sure whether the splicer has been installed at WJW? The reason I'm asking is that I read elsewhere that any local Fox station that is totally HD ready will be showing the All Star game in HD. Since Fox was one of the few stations I was able to get with my OTA box, it would be worth pulling it out of mothballs for the game!
post #1040 of 23446
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Originally posted by jtscherne
Does anyone know for sure whether the splicer has been installed at WJW? The reason I'm asking is that I read elsewhere that any local Fox station that is totally HD ready will be showing the All Star game in HD. Since Fox was one of the few stations I was able to get with my OTA box, it would be worth pulling it out of mothballs for the game!

I've definitely seen some HD content coming from WJW. Nothing worth watching, mind you, but some of it has defintely been HD. In fact, TItanTV says that they'll be showing HD from 8 to 9 this evening.

However, TitanTV does not show an HD indicator for the All-Star game on 7/13. So I guess we'll have to wait and see.
post #1041 of 23446
Fox is still not HD, its 480 widescreen converted locally to 720p, thats what you saw.


As far as the splicer being installed, I am gonna take a stab in the dark and say yes. But thats just a stab in the dark so who knows.

Edit:

Although maybe not as it isnt listed in the Fox thread in the programming forum.
post #1042 of 23446
It's always nice to see the HD symbol light up on the info banner. I noticed when WJW 8-1 recently went HD (720p), the signal strength also became more steady and stronger.

It's also good to have more 720p material to compare with 1080i which will provide plenty of fuel for discussion... re: disagreement... ^_^
post #1043 of 23446
I was just gonna ask about WJW signal strength. I used to have a heck of a time trying to pick them up but it has been solid since they switched to upconvert their 480 widescreen material to 720p.

If only I could pick up WKYC. Also if only WBNX and WVIZ would get their acts together. But this is discussion for another day
post #1044 of 23446
I watched Bernie Mac last night on FOX specifically because titantv had listed in HD. And sure enough, it was in FULL HD GLORY. Comcast in North Ridgeville has got it coming in beautifully. If the All-Star game goes HD, I will be a happy man, and its looking like that is gonna happen.
post #1045 of 23446
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Originally posted by Mike_Stuewe
I was just gonna ask about WJW signal strength. I used to have a heck of a time trying to pick them up but it has been solid since they switched to upconvert their 480 widescreen material to 720p.

If only I could pick up WKYC.

Hi Mike,
What type of antenna are u using?
post #1046 of 23446
Tom I got a Big A$$ 172" Antenna in the back yard. Its overkill I know. I had a smaller one that picked up WKYC perfect all the time, but was weak with other stations. Now I can't pick up WKYC but everything else is money. Its no big deal, the last thing I was interested in watching on NBC was the Daytona 500. I absolutely cannot stand their stretch mode for 4:3 programming, and the ugliness of the pixelation because they multicast is very bothersome as well.

Another part of my problem is I am right next to Columbia road in Westlake, I'm on the first street just west, parallel to Columbia. But Columbia and the houses on it are elevated a good 20 feet above my houses elevation, and my antenna is not very high up.




MrPorterhouse. Read my post at the top of this page of this thread. Fox is not HD. They are upconverting their widescreen 480p material to 720p. The all star game may be in HD, but other than that, we get nothing in HD until August at the very earliest.
post #1047 of 23446
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Originally posted by Mike_Stuewe
Tom I got a Big A$$ 172" Antenna in the back yard. Its overkill I know. I had a smaller one that picked up WKYC perfect all the time, but was weak with other stations. Now I can't pick up WKYC but everything else is money.


Wow, u got me beat. Mine's the 160" from RadioShack, their largest. I had to move the antenna off the back deck for a couple weeks for some home improvements and we really missed the doppler radar channel 3-3.

L8r, Tom
post #1048 of 23446
It's strange that for me, even when I can get in WKYC NBC 2.1 (I often can't get it in at all), when I try to tune in 2.3, I usually can't get the radar to stay on the screen for more than a few seconds. Anyone else have that issue? I wonder why 2.3 would be more difficult to pull in than the main channel? You'd figure if I could get 2.1, I'd be able to get 2.3 with the radar. Could they allocate different power levels?

-Todd
post #1049 of 23446
Todd,
Same issue here. I have a Dish 6000. When I tune in 2.3, the radar flashes for less than a second and then I see nothing. Then when I change the channel it flashes on again for less than a second.
Jeff
post #1050 of 23446
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MrPorterhouse. Read my post at the top of this page of this thread. Fox is not HD. They are upconverting their widescreen 480p material to 720p. The all star game may be in HD, but other than that, we get nothing in HD until August at the very earliest. [/b]

Yes, that may be the case, but I really enjoy the upconvert. Its much like watching the HD movies on Cinemax-HD. Those movies are upconverted to 1080i and they look amazing. So, I really see a difference when they(FOX) upconverts a show to 720P vs one of the shows that isn't upconverted. I consider that to be a HD show. If you couldn't count an upconverted program as HD, then you're saying only original programs shot with HD equipment are HD? I know that the true HD programs have the true resolution of 1080i or 720p and they are much higher in quality, but I also consider the upconverts to 1080i or 720P as HD because they are also much better than the 480i or 480p original resolution. If FOX or some other network is upconverting a program to HD resolution, then I consider that to be HD. There is a huge difference in programs that are upconverted and programs that are not upconverted.
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