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post #1471 of 23446
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Originally posted by cristo28
Yes Avon lorain County, and yes Browns games on NFL ticket is blackout ed within so many miles of Cleveland.

Oh, OK. My "up there" was a generic reference to anything north of Akron.

I doubt you'll have a shot at WEAO-DT 50...
post #1472 of 23446
I know I am just having fun, I can't seem to get it in but I have only made several attempts with my ota and rotor.


john "go bucks"
post #1473 of 23446
Bad news, at least in the short term on CBS HD on Adelphia. I sent the following email to Fred Dixon who is in marketing for Adelphia and received his response today.

From: Brian Parsons [mailto:brian.parsons@adelphia.net]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:50 PM
To: 'Fred.dixon@adelphia.com'
Subject: Adelphia HD Complaint

Fred,

I just left you a voice mail, but thought I would follow up with you via email as well.



I am an Adelphia customer living in Avon Ohio. I have both Adelphia high speed internet and cable with the HD package.



My issue is with the lack of WOIO in the HD package. As I am sure you know, this CBS affiliate offers great HD prime time programming as well

as most NFL AFC games. The Browns will be playing this Sunday at 4:15pm in HDTV and I will be unable to watch it due to the fact that Adelphia does

not have the HD channel. As you also know, there are many options for service today including DBS and even OTA reception.

Could you please respond at your earliest convenience as to the date when this channel will be available? (Hopefully by this weekend!!)

Thanks in advance,

Brian Parsons

From: Fred Dixon [mailto:fred.dixon@adelphia.com]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:59 PM
To: Brian Parsons
Subject: RE: Adelphia HD Complaint


Hello Brian, I apologize for not getting back sooner but this has been a very busy week. In response to your inquiry regarding WOIO in HD, currently we are in negotiations for the rights to broadcast the HD signal. We are aware of how important it is for Adelphia to have that option available on our HD line-up, and we doing everything in our power to give our customers every available option.
post #1474 of 23446
Unfortunately, that's the same answer we've been getting since Adelphia launched HD last year. We know it's possible, since WOW has CBS...
post #1475 of 23446
That's exactly the answer that you would have gotten from a CSR on the phone too.

I have no doubt they would like to give it to us but I'll bet because of the fact that the Browns are on WOIO the station itself may be offering at a high price tag.
post #1476 of 23446
Brian, Thanks for the info, this is why I have kept my OTA set-up. Its gonna be a while.

John
post #1477 of 23446
It's been a long, frustrating day that's finally resulted in a working Adelphia SA 8000HD DVR and the full complement of HD service. But...

* The technician's first visit resulted in one of the non-DVR boxes, the 3250, I think, being delivered. I specifically asked for the DVR box. The technician didn't have any with him, so he left the 3250 and I told him I'd go up to Brunswick (nearest walk-in) to pick it up.

* Adelphia didn't, despite telling me they did, turn on the HD PLUS tier. And in the process of this box swapping, someone deactivated one of my other two boxes, the second time this has happened in a week!

* Finally got it all working tonight. The PQ is fine, though I get occasional dropouts both in video and audio (about once a minute or so, on average). The 8000HD does allow me to swap around between stretched and zoomed pictures for my 4:3 screen, but doesn't remember that setting per channel...and doesn't output 480i component to an analog set, apparently...at least not accurately. I have to use S-Video.

Add to this the absence of WOIO in the HD pak (see above), and I'm not a 100% happy camper. (Oh, and I'm having renewed problems pulling in WOIO-DT OTA. Are they lower power tonight or am I just being victimized by the weather?)

The dropouts are driving me nuts. It appears to be motion related...if they're doing anything of any substance motion-wise in this baseball game, for example...swinging a bat, etc... (it's not all motion, that just seems to trigger it when it does happen...just now the pitcher went into his motions and became a blur, but the time after that, he was fine) I might have a technician back out this week to see if we have a signal strength issue or something. I assume it's not supposed to happen this much?

I'm *this* close to getting a decent outdoor OTA antenna I can squeeze stuff out of and hope I can hit Parma off my deck, and dumping all of Adelphia. It's the worst cable company in America...and it doesn't seem to care.
post #1478 of 23446
Mike, when you set this thing up did you review your set up yourself or did the tech set things up for you? Did you set up for 480i and 1080i only? You can set it up for 480p as well and also 720p.

If you want to know how to change the settings it's right on the front of the box. Press the button next to the on button while the unit is off simultaneously.

If you already knew this then it looks like you'll need to get an HD set.

C'mon, you know you want one.
post #1479 of 23446
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Originally posted by hookbill
If you want to know how to change the settings it's right on the front of the box. Press the button next to the on button while the unit is off simultaneously.

Yeah, I already caught onto that. It says to hit INFO and GUIDE while the 8000HD is off. That cycles it through HD and SD modes. Neither of them work with component video fully hooked up to my SD TV. The SD mode, with those cables hooked up, looks funny (color/resolution wise), and I figured out why on page 9 of the manual:

"HD Mode or SD Mode? When you set up the 8000HD in HD mode, the connector Y/V Video Out becomes the HD Y video output (Y portion of the YPbPr video output). See the connection diagrams in the Connecting Entertainment Devices section. When you set up the 8000HD in SD mode, the connector labeled Y/V Video Out acts as an SD video out connector (V). See the diagram on page 14 for an example."

So, it appears that all three component output cables do not get used in SD mode at all - the box shuts off the other two in SD mode and changes the Y output.

As a result, I'm settling for S-Video (and am still feeding the component video from my OTA STB), the best I can get otherwise. It's still not bad...just not as breathtaking. But if I really want breathtaking...I need to go all the way!

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If you already knew this then it looks like you'll need to get an HD set.

C'mon, you know you want one.

Yeah, I just don't know WHICH one! I was interested in a $716 special on a new Toshiba HD direct view CRT set I read about elsewhere here, but then it seemed like everyone had a major complaint about it...so I backed off (I almost ordered it!). And I think the full blown large plasma/DLP/LCD set would be overkill for my small, modest condo...so I'm probably going CRT.

BTW, the dropouts have largely disappeared on Adelphia. I wonder if it was an issue of both ESPN and inHD running baseball games (with some motion at times) at the same time? I wonder if that pushes the bandwidth limits... then again, inHD is running sumo wrestling now... LOL

And I managed to get an antenna placement for WOIO-DT...for now. I don't wanna lose this before Sunday! I just hope we will not too long from now... look back at the days where they had to go through negotiations to get local OTA affiliates on cable in HD as "the bad old days".
post #1480 of 23446
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Originally posted by Inundated
Yeah, I already caught onto that. It says to hit INFO and GUIDE while the 8000HD is off. That cycles it through HD and SD modes. Neither of them work with component video fully hooked up to my SD TV. The SD mode, with those cables hooked up, looks funny (color/resolution wise), and I figured out why on page 9 of the manual:



Yeah, I just don't know WHICH one! I was interested in a $716 special on a new Toshiba HD direct view CRT set I read about elsewhere here, but then it seemed like everyone had a major complaint about it...so I backed off (I almost ordered it!). And I think the full blown large plasma/DLP/LCD set would be overkill for my small, modest condo...so I'm probably going CRT.


BTW, the dropouts have largely disappeared on Adelphia. I wonder if it was an issue of both ESPN and inHD running baseball games (with some motion at times) at the same time? I wonder if that pushes the bandwidth limits... then again, inHD is running sumo wrestling now... LOL

And I managed to get an antenna placement for WOIO-DT...for now. I don't wanna lose this before Sunday! I just hope we will not too long from now... look back at the days where they had to go through negotiations to get local OTA affiliates on cable in HD as "the bad old days".

FYI...I was in Walmart the yesterday and spotted a Panasonic HD Ready set for around 750.00, 30" WS. They also had a Sanyo 27" HD ready for around 575.00 but I wouldn't touch that.

I think very highly of my Sony KV-30HS420. I believed it's priced right now at CC and BB for 995.00 (just don't let them sell you any of their bs Monster cables, that's how they make up for the low price). I'll give you some features:

DRC - (Digital Reality Creation) Mutifunction. Unlike conventional line doublers, the DRC Multifunction feature replaces the signal's NTSC waveform with HD equivalent, while doubling the number of vertical and horizontal lines. This results in four times the density for quality sources, such as DVD satellite, and digital camcorders. The Video Menu allows you to select interlaced, progresive or CineMotion output.


SCREEN MODE - Enables you to resize picture depending on the singal source.

Favorite Channels...which you wouldn't use with cable

ClearEdge VM (Velocity Modulation): Sharpens picture definition by enhancing vertical lines

Steady Sound - Equalizes volume levels so there is consistent output between programs and commercials

2 Component and 1 HDMI inputs...S video and cable analog (like you would use that)! Three other inputs for SD television and audio.

V Chip...if you got kids...everybody has that

HD Detailer Wideband video amplifier has a high bandwith frequency rating, which allows

CineMotion (Reverse 3-2 pulldown processing provides optimal picture quality for film-based sources (media originally shot in 24 frames-per-second format).

It has alot of things you cand dow with the sound like virtual surround and something called WOW which I never use. Also simulated stereo for mono broadcasts.

Now I'll tell you what I dislike:

Quality of analog picture on some of Adelphias stations can be poor.

It weighs 150 lbs. Once you get it in there don't plan on moving it unless you got help. Anyway, good luck!
post #1481 of 23446
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Originally posted by hookbill
I think very highly of my Sony KV-30HS420. I believed it's priced right now at CC and BB for 995.00 (just don't let them sell you any of their bs Monster cables, that's how they make up for the low price).

I think I'd buy a Terk antenna before I'd buy a Monster cable, and that means...I'd buy neither one.

I've looked at the Sony you have...in the stores, at least, it's been one of the ones I've been interested in. Sony also kinda has that "pay for the name" problem, but the actual TV sets still appear to be solid, good performers. I'm wondering how much I'll miss a 32" set here, but when you think about it, a widescreen set is about what I'm getting now doing letterboxing on the Toshiba 32" set. I don't need a huge set, though...and the cost difference between a 30", 32" and 34" set can be pretty huge in and of itself.

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Quality of analog picture on some of Adelphias stations can be poor.

Quality of some of Adelphia's analog stations is poor, period.

Adelphia is, by far, the worst cable TV company in America. Even without going through that customer service hell I went through the other day. I'm nearly on bended knee each night begging Time Warner to take them over!
post #1482 of 23446
Hookbill,

I've been looking at that Sony for my bedroom. I've been going back and forth between spending the money for a 42" Pio plasma or just going cheap and getting the Sony 30" tube. What is you overall impression of HD material on that set?

Thanks for the input.
post #1483 of 23446
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Originally posted by Shark73
Hookbill,

I've been looking at that Sony for my bedroom. I've been going back and forth between spending the money for a 42" Pio plasma or just going cheap and getting the Sony 30" tube. What is you overall impression of HD material on that set?

Thanks for the input.

I think it has great pq. I have to disagree a bit with Inundated about the paying for the name thing. It has been my experience that you do pay more for Sony but the reason is quality. There are only two electronics that I trust and that is Sony and Panasonic.

One more comment about the HD material. Keep in mind I'm watching through component video as Adelphia drags it's but in activating the DVI port on their HD/DVR (Scientific Atlantic 8000 HD). I'm highly impressed even with SD Digital. And another comment about that set. I don't have Dolby but the sound quality it delivers on it's own is so good that unless I'm watching a concert I don't even need to run it through my stereo. I do anyway because I like the steady sound feature which you can still use even if your piping it through your amp. Oh, My amp is a Sony too. So is my DVD/VCR combo unit.
post #1484 of 23446
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Originally posted by hookbill
I think it has great pq. I have to disagree a bit with Inundated about the paying for the name thing. It has been my experience that you do pay more for Sony but the reason is quality. There are only two electronics that I trust and that is Sony and Panasonic.

As of recent years, there's been a lot of debate about Sony and how not everything is worth the extra money with the Sony name...some stuff isn't even built by them anymore. But I think they're still building their own TVs and are still solid there.

Went shopping a little today, and it was hard to compare the three sets in my sights...the Sony you have, a similar Panasonic model and a similar Toshiba. For whatever reason, the store I was in (h.h. gregg) had very, very poor analog signals feeding all the tube TVs, including the HD sets!

Re: Adelphia...the dropouts/pixelization have not persisted, though they do come back from time to time. I have no idea if it has to do with bandwidth use, signal strength or what. Right now, it's (near) perfect.
post #1485 of 23446
Innundated, I also wanted to say something to you about the baseball on ESPN and INHD. You were theorizing that perhaps with both live shows it was taking too much band with causing sound drop outs. Well, ESPN isn't currently showing any baseball in HD. Now it is still digital so there may be something to that but I kind of doubt it.

Going back to the Sony thing; the way I feel about it is that everytime I have bought Sony I have had great quality and no problems. I don't care if a tribe of pigmies in Africa are putting it together, Sony makes sure it works and that's what counts. I think their quality is unsurpassed.

Panasonic gives me the same feeling. Nice and warm and fuzzy.
post #1486 of 23446
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Originally posted by hookbill
Innundated, I also wanted to say something to you about the baseball on ESPN and INHD. You were theorizing that perhaps with both live shows it was taking too much band with causing sound drop outs. Well, ESPN isn't currently showing any baseball in HD. Now it is still digital so there may be something to that but I kind of doubt it.

ESPN was running baseball, I think (would have to go back and check), but yes, it wasn't in HD...I forgot about that. But I had the dropouts - and picture pixellation - on both ESPNHD and INHD that night.

I'm watching the ND/MSU college game on ESPNHD, in HD, right now, and I haven't seen the same problems with the funky pixels or the dropouts.

I wonder what is causing them? And if it's an Adelphia/Cleveland problem or beyond...or a local problem on my hookup with cable signal. I did notice that the SD channels seemed a little clearer today. Maybe I screwed and unscrewed and rescrewed in the connectors in just right!

BTW, I get that same "warm, fuzzy feeling" about Toshiba stuff...my SD 32" set is fabulous...and is probably about as close to HD as you'll get with an SD set, with this feed. But Toshiba's new 30" HD set is getting a LOT of complaints in a thread in the "Directview Tube" section here on AVSForum... a set that was on Amazon for $716 earlier this week, and I almost bought it!
post #1487 of 23446
Here is one review on the Sony: http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Sony_KV...-30895537.html

If you do a search on your Toshiba model they probably have a review on that as well. Also CNET has a review as well but I think zdnet and CNET are merged at the hip.
post #1488 of 23446
I'm trying to get WOIO with my Terk-55 (I realize it sucks but I have one on-hand and I'm desperate.

I can get 5-1, 8-1, 61.1, 43.1 with no problems. I have the samsung HD receiver that I got with my DirectTVHD.

I have the terk in the attic with about 70 feet of additional coax - direct run to TV. I can bring it all over the upstairs if necessary but can't get a signa. It is jumping from 0 to 45 to 66 to 50, to 70 to 0, etc.

It is windy outside - why would the signal be so jumpy?

I put on a cheapy rabbit ears radio shack antenna and get basically the same results. Any ideas? I really want the game in HD today.
post #1489 of 23446
Well, don't break any limbs trying to get WOIO this early afternoon...the idiots at 19/43 haven't turned on the HD for the 1 PM game!

Does anyone here have a 24 hour number for "Cleveland's CBS (In SD) 19"?

Iron - the Terk is likely gonna getcha nowhere. If I were you, I'd spend the 1 PM game running down to Radio Shack and getting one of their rooftop antennas, and mount it in the attic.

FWIW, here in Akron and with just the amplified RCA ANT1250 indoor antenna, I'm having no signal problems with WOIO 19-1...just the stupid station itself not feeding the game in HD.
post #1490 of 23446
Just talked to whoever answered the newsroom line (216-781-1900 or 877-929-1943). She said they had some calls, and when someone had called earlier (last week) and she checked into it...she said "they told me not all games are in HDTV".

Well, this one is, I told her...and I mentioned that if they think they're getting complaints now, wait till the Browns game!

Just another example of incompetence out of that station, but I digress. Hopefully, she's talking to the control room. If we don't see them switch to HD in the next half-hour or so, please, call that number and bug them!
post #1491 of 23446
Hold your calls to WOIO/19... they just put on the HD feed of Steelers/Ravens. And it's looking GOOD...outstanding...my first CBS NFL game!

There were reports over in the CBS HD NFL thread in the "HDTV Programming" board here that the game didn't have any announcers for those watching in HD. Maybe that's why WOIO didn't switch to it...anyway, it's all working now, picture, announcers and all.
post #1492 of 23446
Since Adelphia still is not broasting 19 in HD I'm watching Green Bay v Chicago...and flipping to espnhd for a no hd broadcast of Yankees/Red Sox
post #1493 of 23446
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Originally posted by hookbill
Since Adelphia still is not broasting 19 in HD I'm watching Green Bay v Chicago...and flipping to espnhd for a no hd broadcast of Yankees/Red Sox

I'm fortunate that I still have my OTA tuner hooked up to get 19. I can't believe that with the Browns having their first HD game this season...nothing has happened on the Adelphia/19 front. They must be working on it...they did get FOX 8 up! But I don't have any confidence in Raycom (19/43's owner). Adelphia may be the world's worst cable company, but Raycom may be a notch away from beating Sinclair as the world's worst TV group owner

Maybe if you called up the news director of "19 Action News" and told him you wanted to see the cheerleaders in HD on Adelphia, they'd do something...
post #1494 of 23446
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Originally posted by Inundated
Well, don't break any limbs trying to get WOIO this early afternoon...the idiots at 19/43 haven't turned on the HD for the 1 PM game!

Does anyone here have a 24 hour number for "Cleveland's CBS (In SD) 19"?

Iron - the Terk is likely gonna getcha nowhere. If I were you, I'd spend the 1 PM game running down to Radio Shack and getting one of their rooftop antennas, and mount it in the attic.

FWIW, here in Akron and with just the amplified RCA ANT1250 indoor antenna, I'm having no signal problems with WOIO 19-1...just the stupid station itself not feeding the game in HD.

Well, FINALLY got a good signal.

I took your advice - quick trip to the Rat Shack for a rooftop ($50 level) and threw it in the attic (which is no small feat - up and down, up and down through the hole in the upstairs ceiling).

Anyway - I get a hiccup every 3 or 5 minutes but generally a pretty good picture. I'm going to have one of the guys with the bucket trucks where I work stop by this week so I can just roof mount this thing.


Steelers losing (WOOHOO!) and looks like I'll get to see my first Browns in HD game since buying my TV last January!

Sweet! Thanks for the help, guys.
post #1495 of 23446
Too bad you're watching a pretty bad game right now!

Glad you got it going, though!
post #1496 of 23446
I almost wish I didn't go through the trouble. Geez they are horrible.
post #1497 of 23446
FWIW, I'm getting WKYC perfect as well. I did a total of about 10 minutes of uneducated tweaking and I'm in an attic and I appear to be getting everything great.

I'm hoping that on the roof (out of the attic) improves the reliability further.
post #1498 of 23446
Glad to hear it's working for you, ironmanix! Yes, out on the roof should help you even more...who knows, you might scan and pick up an Erie or Youngstown station! I know Youngstown has two HD stations - and think WFMJ-DT 20 has been picked up by some outside the market. I don't know if ANY of the Erie DT stations are up. You'd likely have to have a rotor for out of market stations, though.

Whichever team wanted to win that game, they were apparently nowhere near the stadium today...both of 'em. Vinny passed for over 300 yards, but lived up to his old Cleveland nickname "Interceptaverde"...for that matter, so did Garcia. Yipes!

I'm thinking of getting an outdoor antenna and finding SOMEWHERE to put it here. Maybe I can mount it up high on the wall by my large loft window here on the second floor...and convince people it's a new art sculpture! But as long as I can pick up WOIO and WEAO OTA for now, I'll wait... the amplified RCA ANT1250 keps in check with WOIO for about 97% of the afternoon. Too bad it couldn't make the teams play better.

And I'll hold off on the actual HD set for now...as I've solved one problem. I couldn't get my HD cable DVR, the 8000HD, output component video to my Toshiba (SD) 32" set, which does accept 480i output from my OTA STB (the US Digital I use to pick up WOIO and WEAO). I was feeding it with S-Video, which was noticably less clear and smooth.

It turns out I had to kick the box into one more mode...into actual HD output mode (not SD), and then use a special key sequence to pump out 480i. Once I did that, it's fine...and looks just as good as the OTA box did in component video. Light years better...and no S-Video "grille" in front of the picture.

The only problem? The TV only has one component video, so I had to relegate the OTA STB to S-Video But I can always switch it back next Sunday...

This picture is good enough for me, that I'll not pull the trigger on buying a regular HD set until I'm 100% satisfied with my decision on which kind to purchase, let alone which brand.
post #1499 of 23446
I'm trying to decide between all of my options.

I have comcast cable installed now (two HD-DVR's and one Digital box), I have DirectTV HD installed (samsung HD box - the rest sony receiver-only boxes) and I now have the rooftop antenna.

Does anybody know about splitting the rooftop antenna signal? Will that degrade the signal at all?
post #1500 of 23446
It depends on how strong your signal is. If you have a good strong signal, then splitting it might not hurt you. If splitting the signal causes your signal strength to drop too much, you can amplify the signal first, then split it.
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