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post #18662 of 23446
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

It's the same thing on E* (Dish Network). The ABC bug is just "AB".

NBC used to broadcast in letterbox on their analog feed, that makes more sense than just cropping the 16x9 picture for 4X3 screens. It must be standard practice now just to crop instead of a letterbox.

I can't believe ABC hasn't fixed their bug. I think I pay more attention to it than the network does. NBC is still letterbox on TWC, since we are still getting the SD analog version of WKYC. But I'm anxiously awaiting that one going the way of WEWS, so my SDTVs will have a nice 4:3 NBC picture.
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Anybody else get the email from TW? It says that new on demand will be starting through months of April and May. I'm not able to provide copy at this time.

From wording of the email it would appear its being done with distribution of SDV. I know no big surprise but it does confirm that they will be handling this like the line up change.
post #18664 of 23446
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Anybody else get the email from TW? It says that new on demand will be starting through months of April and May. I'm not able to provide copy at this time.

From wording of the email it would appear its being done with distribution of SDV. I know no big surprise but it does confirm that they will be handling this like the line up change.

An email? You must have got that since you email TWC and Steve-O so much! TWC doesn't even have my email address!
post #18665 of 23446
Well, if the channels above 99 are available in real digital in legacy TWC areas, maybe that explains the confused cablecard guy I had a couple of weeks ago. Still no sign of any SDV mucking around in my corner of ex-Adelphia land.

I don't understand this "too poor to have a converter box" thing. DVB-T converter boxes can be had for about the cost of a month's entry-level cable subscription, I can't see why Cable QAM boxes in quantity would be any different. It would be worth TWC absorbing the cost of issuing these to free up all the capacity wasted by the analog channels so they can sell more channels/services. Having to watch analog TV a decade into the 21st century just sucks.

I would expect that after June 12th, TWC are going to have to convert from digital to analog on the below 100 channels - looks like they do this for e.g. Weather Channel and I presume other non-OTA channels already.
post #18666 of 23446
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Originally Posted by nickdawg View Post

An email? You must have got that since you email TWC and Steve-O so much! TWC doesn't even have my email address!

If you get your internet somewhere else then they may not. I get my internet from TW and they do have my email. That's how they contact most of their customers.

They just like keeping you in the dark.
post #18667 of 23446
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

They just like keeping you in the dark.

haha! If their internet service is anything like their cable service, I'm not the one 'in the dark'. If you know what I mean...

But seriously. I hate this company. Every time I call with a complaint, they tried to sell me their phone or internet service. Are you kidding? I'm calling because one of your services doesn't work and you think I'm going to buy another? That's like making a car that has doors that fall off and trying to sell me another one when I bring it in to be repaired!
post #18668 of 23446
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Anybody else get the email from TW? It says that new on demand will be starting through months of April and May. I'm not able to provide copy at this time.

From wording of the email it would appear its being done with distribution of SDV. I know no big surprise but it does confirm that they will be handling this like the line up change.

Yep.. I got the email in Solon....
post #18669 of 23446
Nope. No email here. I take it you got it through your provided neo.rr.com accounts? I don't think I've ever given (or been stupid enough to give them) my personal non-RR email address.
post #18670 of 23446
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Originally Posted by Vchat20 View Post

Nope. No email here. I take it you got it through your provided neo.rr.com accounts? I don't think I've ever given (or been stupid enough to give them) my personal non-RR email address.


They may have my mail which is my main email but what's stupid about it? They only use it for communicating what's going on. I got my tuner adapters via email.

There may be an ad every once in a while. I never gave it to them they got it from me responding.
post #18671 of 23446
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

They may have my mail which is my main email but what's stupid about it? They only use it for communicating what's going on. I got my tuner adapters via email.

There may be an ad every once in a while. I never gave it to them they got it from me responding.

*shrug* I just don't foresee anything important enough from them to where I'd need to give them my personal address. If anything, I have my gmail account set to retrieve mail from the rr.com account should anything mildly important come in.

Also, on a side note I just got this interesting message:

Those who currently have RR Lite will be getting a free upgrade to the Standard package from April 20th to April 30th. So a massive speed bump from 768k/128k to roughly 7mbit/512k.
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Yeah, and unless I can get it for $19.95 a month, NOT INTERESTED!
post #18673 of 23446
well i hope to download as much stuff as possible during that period of time if it includes Erie and its suburbs
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Anyone in the Cleveland area using ClearQAM over the Cox cable network for their HD feed? Recently, channel 19 WOIO and channel 43 WUAB have stopped working. When I do a channel scan, they show up. However, there is no audio/video when I tune to those stations or their substations. Anyone know what the story is? I tried rescanning a few times etc, but no luck.
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Anyone experiencing audio/resolution issues? My Marantz 5003 is saying there is surround sound but nothing is coming out of my surround speakers. I changed the channel to Paladia and it was full 5.1 surround.

Also, is anyone else less that thrilled with the resolution quality? I recently set up my Mitsubishi 5500 and AVR, and am currently projecting the image on my wall (waiting to buy screen). Something just doesn't seem right with the broadcast.
post #18676 of 23446
Nope. ABC HD on TWC is fine today. It's actually the first time in a long time that WEWS isn't having some kind of 'technical difficulty' as they've had in the past.

I'll bet the resolution problems are due to the fact you're watching it on the wall, instead of a screen.
post #18677 of 23446
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Originally Posted by nosey313 View Post

Anyone experiencing audio/resolution issues? My Marantz 5003 is saying there is surround sound but nothing is coming out of my surround speakers. I changed the channel to Paladia and it was full 5.1 surround.

Also, is anyone else less that thrilled with the resolution quality? I recently set up my Mitsubishi 5500 and AVR, and am currently projecting the image on my wall (waiting to buy screen). Something just doesn't seem right with the broadcast.

Yes, the picture quality was like it was halfway between HD and SD, I had to turn up the brightness so I could see the darker parts of the picture.
post #18678 of 23446
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Originally Posted by nickdawg View Post

Nope. ABC HD on TWC is fine today. It's actually the first time in a long time that WEWS isn't having some kind of 'technical difficulty' as they've had in the past.

I'll bet the resolution problems are due to the fact you're watching it on the wall, instead of a screen.

Actually , no. The wall has nothing to do with the resolution. Paladia, Discovery, Indians on FOX, all look fine.
post #18679 of 23446
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Originally Posted by schandorsky View Post

Yes, the picture quality was like it was halfway between HD and SD, I had to turn up the brightness so I could see the darker parts of the picture.

Did you notice any surround audio problems?
post #18680 of 23446
WEWS is really improving their act lately. Tonight I noticed that there were several high definition channel 5 promo commercials. The "Good Morning Cleveland commercial was full screen 16:9 and a promo for Monday's news and ABC primetime had the cool HD wings with the "big blue 5" and HD. I think WEWS is broadcasting all digital for the DT channel rather than upconverting analog content when HD programming is not available. I've noticed the local commercials no longer have the VBI at the top of the screen and the picture is a bit wider than my 4:3 channel banner.
post #18681 of 23446
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Originally Posted by nosey313 View Post

Did you notice any surround audio problems?

I do not have a surround sound, only Hi-Def TV and two channel stereo.
post #18682 of 23446
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Originally Posted by nosey313 View Post

Did you notice any surround audio problems?

I think it's a broadcast problem. I'm getting no surround on ABC via OTA and WOW Cable. It is being decoded as DD 5.1, but no rear audio.
post #18683 of 23446
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

I think it's a broadcast problem. I'm getting no surround on ABC via OTA and WOW Cable. It is being decoded as DD 5.1, but no rear audio.

I think it is too, and I'm wondering if it's national. I'm still not watching and my rear speakers are charging. Has anyone tried posting thins on http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=34 to see if anyone else is having this problem?

Just to be clear, I'm definitely not telling you to post somewhere else I'm trying to be helpful.
post #18684 of 23446
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

I think it's a broadcast problem. I'm getting no surround on ABC via OTA and WOW Cable. It is being decoded as DD 5.1, but no rear audio.

All the local channels are broadcast as "DD 5.1", even when real 5.1 programming is not shown. Some channels(WOIO, WUAB) choose to 'upconvert' to fake surround sound(which sounds like a toilet). Others(WKYC, WBNX and WEWS) pass only L/R sound, even though it is flagged as 3/2.1. According to your time stamp at 1:14, the schedule has a program listed that is not even tagged as HD in my guide. If you were hearing 2 channel only at that time, it was correct.

Is the problem on ABC network programming or local WEWS programming? If it's ABC programming, something is wrong at either WEWS or ABC(probably WEWS). If it's on local programming/syndication, it's not supposed to be surround(unless they're using 'fake' upconvert surround.

EDIT: I just turned on ABC, NBA is on with no surround sound. IMO, I really don't think it's any 'worse' than before.
post #18685 of 23446
Last month on a Monday for some reason WOIO had HD with no surround. It was only that day during prime time. I'm a month behind on shows again.
post #18686 of 23446
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

Last month on a Monday for some reason WOIO had HD with no surround. It was only that day during prime time. I'm a month behind on shows again.

I think I remember that. It might have been in March(if you're a month behind). That happens on WOIO sometimes. But if they're broadcasting in color, that alone is a win for WOIO!
post #18687 of 23446
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

TBS and USA OTA nationally? Well, TBS started out as WTBS then went off the air completely. Why do you suppose they did that? And USA is owned by NBC so I can guarantee that it will stay an exclusive cable network. You could say the same thing about ESPN and you know that will never happen.!

WTBS (FKA WTCG)... off the air?? since when? Still broadcasting OTA on 17, 20-1 DTV last I knew.

See you think of this as a National Network now? Turners old man bought this for Ted in the '70's as a playtoy, was nothing more than what WUAB is. Ted just had the bux to force feed it to the cable industry. IMO it was much better as an Independent station out of Atlanta in the 70's & 80's.

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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

I don't believe any longer that the majority of houses still receive just OTA. I have nothing to support this statement but it seems everybody you run into has either satellite or cable..

So right there bill. I'm one of a few that haven't joined the status-quo, but this will be one household that will be without cable, even if my homeowners association forces the antennas off the roof.
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

I'm all in favor of OTA people getting all the programming they can get with this technology, but I think "quality" is subject to debate when we look at what this channel offers. The classic movies? Absolutely. Mr. Ed?

Ohhhhhhh Wilber!

You don't like Mr Ed?

I would much rather watch a pack of indys than the network with garbage infomercials... I miss the days of the late night horror show hosts (that were local, no matter what city I lived in), the romance & nostalga of television is dead, I'll just stick to DVD's.
post #18688 of 23446
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Originally Posted by nickdawg View Post

NBC is still letterbox on TWC, since we are still getting the SD analog version of WKYC. But I'm anxiously awaiting that one going the way of WEWS, so my SDTVs will have a nice 4:3 NBC picture.

Looks like I'll get my wish on June 12 or whenever WKYC or NBC quits the analog network feed. Friday Night Lights is on WKYC right now(replay from Indians opening night). 16:9 on WKYC HD, 4:3 on WKYC analog. So I take it nothing is letterbox except network-broadcast programming on the NBC analog feed and the occasional commercial.
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

There is one program missing from This TV that is seen on virtually every other cable network and OTA station: PAID PROGRAMMING!

Kudos to THIS TV for providing a unique schedule that is 24/7 of ENTERTAINMENT!

Ditto!

But why are the cable networks showing infomercials?? & you're PAYING for this?? (I'm confused here?)
post #18690 of 23446
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

Nope. WUAB has it's own tower at the opposite end of the antenna farm from WOIO. While Raycom has an "LMA" for WUAB the towers for both stations were erected back when they were separate entities. Today, the only tower with multiple TV stations on it is WBNX, which has virtually every LPTV station (35, 53 & 65) farther down the stick. Once it get erected, WKYC and WVIZ will be on the same stick. Today WVIZ is sitting on WKYC's back-up tower, so technically it's not yet sharing the same tower.

Tower-wise: WUAB is next door to WEWS. Both are just north of WJW.
The rest are in a row starting with WKYC on Broadview RD just above Ridgewood DR., with WOIO, WBNX and WQHS behind WKYC and along Ridgewood (btw it's the "Ridgewood Row's" tower lights that illuminate my back yard )

What exactly is the Fate of 53, & 65 (35 I do NOT receive at all) after 6/12?
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