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post #23311 of 23446
Interesting. When I returned the dvr and modem to TWC at Chapel Hill Mall. About a dozen other people doing the same thing. All came in with boxes, none left with them.
So it wasnt any exchanges of bad equipment
post #23312 of 23446
off topic
speaking of hook bills
http://jalopnik.com/5966479/this-man-built-a-robotic-car-for-his-parrot
post #23313 of 23446
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Originally Posted by bassguitarman View Post

off topic
speaking of hook bills
http://jalopnik.com/5966479/this-man-built-a-robotic-car-for-his-parrot

I have two African Grey parrots, and they are so smart it's amazing. When Bob Dylan's Highway 61 comes on they do that crazy whistle that they use in the song, but not just randomly they put it in spots that it fits in the song. I think in the song the whistle is used 3 times, but they have some suggestions about that.

So no surprise, they have the intelligence of a 6 year old child. But believe it or not they do not have the largest vocabulary. Your average pet store $15.00 budgie, more commonly called a parakeet holds that prize. But when it comes to sound effects, African Greys rule.
post #23314 of 23446
sounds like a good youtube video opportunity
post #23315 of 23446
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Originally Posted by MaximusMMIV View Post

Ugh, that's crappy. I had one of their modems and as soon as I saw the charge, I purchased my own. You can get the Motorola Surfboard 6141 from eBay for around $90. It will take me two years to recoup that cost.

My sister is in the same boat, though she is a legacy TWC customer. She wants to know which modem she should buy...
post #23316 of 23446
MOTOROLA has worked well for me , I suggest a DOCSIS 3.0 Modem
Google:docsis 3.0 cable modem
or
motorola cable modem DOCSIS 3.0
post #23317 of 23446
The sats have this new dvr that records 5 shows at the same time and can be watched in any room. Why is TWC always the latest for new equipment but the first to raise prices
post #23318 of 23446
Dunno, but they have a box capable of recording six shows at once slated for the second half of this year. I'm sure it will have some absurd monthly fee associated with it, of course (because it's "hosted").

http://stopthecap.com/2013/02/12/a-look-inside-time-warner-cables-quarterly-results-and-forthcoming-plans/
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Time Warner Cable’s forthcoming “hosted navigation product” represents a major change for the company’s set-top boxes. The “gateway” device will include 1TB of storage, can record up to six shows at once, and will automatically transcode video for an IP platform, letting customers view recorded and live programming on set-top boxes or wireless devices like smartphones and tablets inside the home. Expect to see the new device arrive in the second half of this year in many Time Warner cities.
post #23319 of 23446
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Originally Posted by MaximusMMIV View Post

Dunno, but they have a box capable of recording six shows at once slated for the second half of this year. I'm sure it will have some absurd monthly fee associated with it, of course (because it's "hosted").

http://stopthecap.com/2013/02/12/a-look-inside-time-warner-cables-quarterly-results-and-forthcoming-plans/
Quote:
Time Warner Cable’s forthcoming “hosted navigation product” represents a major change for the company’s set-top boxes. The “gateway” device will include 1TB of storage, can record up to six shows at once, and will automatically transcode video for an IP platform, letting customers view recorded and live programming on set-top boxes or wireless devices like smartphones and tablets inside the home. Expect to see the new device arrive in the second half of this year in many Time Warner cities.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/video/ps11488/ps12334/ps12291/9800_multi-screen.pdf
post #23320 of 23446
Just wondering if any TiVo people locally had an issue last night with their Tuner Adapters. Both of mine had to be reset, and it appears that both TiVo's rebooted. When I saw the flashing green light I noticed both tuners were on the same channel.

Sort of odd, almost like TiVo did something (perhaps some fix or upgrade) and that may have caused the Tuner Adapters to drop off. Just a guess.

Customer service handled this for me, and I only had to explain it to 3 different people. The first guy I got tried to send me to cable card support but I ended up in the Wisconsin area regular customer service line. They sent me back to TWC NEO, and he fixed me up fairly quick.
post #23321 of 23446
I am considering adding a tuner card to my HTPC to replace my SA 8300HD. It seems that unless channels are marked "copy freely", playback is limited to using Windows Media Center.

Can anyone tell me what TWC is setting the copy flag to? If not, is there a way I can get my cable box to tell me, perhaps in a maintenance or diagnostic mode? I am in Lyndhurst, an old Adelphia area, if that matters.
post #23322 of 23446
Flags are set to 'copy once.'
post #23323 of 23446
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Originally Posted by Cathode Kid View Post

Flags are set to 'copy once.'
But you should be able to view them on an extender, such as an Xbox 360 (what I've done with my HTPC).

J
post #23324 of 23446
You are correct. On a TiVo you can look at the diagnostic screen and see the protection codes. If I recall correctly there were 3 codes. One for copy freely, one for copy once and one for copy never. That last code shouldn't be used but in the early days I did see it.

I don't understand though how knowing the codes will help you record on a computer or any device.
post #23325 of 23446
For the average STB/Tivo user it may seem like those codes do not mean much, but for the power user it defines a few things that will even affect your average CableCo STB or Tivo depending on how it is used. For example using firewire to pull shows from a CableCo STB, Copy Once will deny that ability since the STB is essentially that first and only copy (hence 'Copy Once'). If Copy Freely, it means the content can be copied as many times as desired. On a PC or more specifically a full Cablecard enabled PC running Windows Media Center, Copy Once limits access to the recordings on that PC only. Official WMC extenders get around this but the copy protection pipeline is well protected so Cablelabs is happy. And only the Windows Media Center software on that same machine can play back the recordings as obviously letting other software have access, even if on the same machine, can ultimately and easily break the copy protection pipeline. Copy Freely on the other hand opens that up so those recordings are able to be viewed and manipulated by other machines, software, whathaveyou.

To add another wrench into these works, and is something I have only learned of myself recently, is with the use of certain cablecard tuners (I believe SiliconDust's 'external' HDHomeRun CableCard tuner is the one, maybe others?) you can use them with non-WMC software even including MythTV on Linux. The key part is the CCI flags. Anything but WMC can only tune Copy Freely material. So you could have a cablecard tuner with a properly paired cablecard and have access to your full subscribed channel lineup and as long as the feeds are marked Copy Freely, you are open to do with it as you wish. Copy Once material on the other hand is out of the question.

As already mentioned, Copy Never is fairly rare these days. From what I have gathered, this is mostly limited to PPV content.

We are actually moving here in Columbus shortly and I plan to go with WOW for my cable service eventually saving up for a CableCard tuner and rolling my own WMC DVR. From what I have read, they are predominately Copy Freely aside from the premium movie networks which are Copy Once. So given that, it means I should have unfettered access to the recordings without needing to be 100% in line with Microsoft's PlayReady system (which is the core part of the copy protection enforcement in WMC and allows extenders to view protected content). I can just as easily pull one of said recordings off and drop it onto my Android phone and watch it without an issue.
post #23326 of 23446
The CableCard tuner you purchase must also work with the Tuner Adapter, like a TiVo. I've been looking at this one:

http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-4-pcie/

At $23 for the cable box + DVR service, even after paying for the cablecard, payback is still less than a year. And I get 4 tuners, not 2.
post #23327 of 23446
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Originally Posted by Chris Isble View Post

The CableCard tuner you purchase must also work with the Tuner Adapter, like a TiVo. I've been looking at this one:

http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-4-pcie/

At $23 for the cable box + DVR service, even after paying for the cablecard, payback is still less than a year. And I get 4 tuners, not 2.

So, you buy this puppy, install it into your computer. The cable goes into the Tuner Adapter, and then USB into PC. That I get. What I'm not getting I guess is how it delivers the signal to your TV. It seems that there is a need for something like an XBox or something that they sell which acts as the tuner. Then that delivers the signal to your TV.

You mention $23 for the cable box. I don't see how that comes into play. And does the install require opening your computer?

I don't know where the cable card goes, but I assume there is a slot in the computer.

I have windows 8 installed on my Dell XPS, and I believe it's probably capable of all this stuff, but I'm afraid I'm behind on the technology. Maybe someone can bring me up to speed.
Edited by hookbill - 3/19/13 at 11:07am
post #23328 of 23446
Ok first thing as far as TV connection: You can even simply just hook up the computer directly to a TV, grab a suitable remote (if you do not already have one or are inclined to use another input like keyboard, etc) and go. This is what I intend to do with my setup as the PC will be a dedicated HTPC. Or can just use it as a regular PC and add an extender such as an Xbox 360, Ceton Echo, or track down a couple discontinued but still working models. There's a list of models here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Center_Extender#Version_2_Extenders

Cablecard: This all goes into whatever tuner you decide to pick, not the PC directly. You pretty much have the selection of tuners here and they for some reason are missing Ceton's USB model: http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-4-usb/ If you look at their internal PCI-e model though you will see the slot the cablecard goes in. In the case of the external boxes, they have the cablecard slots.

Tuning adapters on the other hand(!) will plug into the computer directly in any available USB port. My mind is very vague on exactly how these operate in a Windows environment and thankfully with WOW I do not need one.

Windows 8....is in a kinda odd place for media center. Microsoft decided to break out Media Center and make it an optional package that, initially, was free. You just had to go to a website and inquire for it and they'd email you a cd key which you'd enter and media center would install. Looks like it is at least inexpensive at $9.99 now and could be had by following the instructions Microsoft has laid out: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/feature-packs

As for Chris' comment on the cable box rental he is simply comparing the up front cost of the hardware to build your own DVR plus the cablecard rental compared to renting TWC's own equipment and paying their tacked on fees. In most cases if you stick it out a year or longer the DIY route ends up being cheaper in total if you already have a capable PC.
post #23329 of 23446
I installed Windows 8 as an upgrade, so I know about Media Center and I downloaded that probably the day after I installed Windows 8.

I assumed the cable card would fit into the internal Ceton device. And I understand about the tuner adapter, because I have TiVo's. Just like a PC, TiVo has a USB that you plug the Tuner Adapter into.

Apparently you are also saying they have external devices that you can use a USB to plug into your computer, and the cable card would go into that device. It wouldn't make sense to have more then one cable card, so the extenders that hook up to the television sort of are like devices that you use to pick up signals on your home network, like a Roku or an Airport Express. I get that they are not the same as either as those devices, but their purpose is to pick up the signal from the Ceton device and that would go to your TV.

Have I got that right?
post #23330 of 23446
Yeah. There are external tuning devices. SiliconDust has their HDHomeRun Prime which is network based so if you have ethernet runs you could have the tuner near a cable outlet and a PC in another room. Or there's a couple USB tuners. Each one the cablecard goes directly into the tuner/device and not the PC.

One very minor thing about the tuning adapters is with SiliconDust's device which is network based, it has a usb port on it to handle the tuning adapter so they both stay at the cable outlet.

Essentially the extenders work as remote desktop thinclients to the main PC you have the tuner(s) installed on. They just pull from the pool of tuners you have installed there. So if you have Ceton's 4 tuner device, if you have an Xbox 360 or other extender running and watch live TV on it, it will use one of those 4 tuners in the PC.

The nice part about going this route is if you also watch a lot of stuff on network/OTA channels, you can add whatever combination of tuners you want. Throw in an OTA tuner or two in addition to the cablecard tuners and have that extra headroom. And you can set tuner priority in WMC so network channel recordings will try the OTA tuners first and if they are occupied, it will go to the cablecard tuners.
post #23331 of 23446
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Originally Posted by Vchat20 View Post

To add another wrench into these works, and is something I have only learned of myself recently, is with the use of certain cablecard tuners (I believe SiliconDust's 'external' HDHomeRun CableCard tuner is the one, maybe others?) you can use them with non-WMC software even including MythTV on Linux. The key part is the CCI flags. Anything but WMC can only tune Copy Freely material. So you could have a cablecard tuner with a properly paired cablecard and have access to your full subscribed channel lineup and as long as the feeds are marked Copy Freely, you are open to do with it as you wish. Copy Once material on the other hand is out of the question.

The other problem with Copy Once is that if something goes wrong with your PC, or if you just want to upgrade, reinstalling Windows means you can no longer access recordings you made prior to the upgrade. So even with a large hard drive, you can realistically only use this to timeshift, and not archive.

I like your suggestion of adding an OTA tuner.

Thanks for the info on how TWC sets the flags, so I can plan accordingly.
post #23332 of 23446
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Originally Posted by Vchat20 View Post

Yeah. There are external tuning devices. SiliconDust has their HDHomeRun Prime which is network based so if you have ethernet runs you could have the tuner near a cable outlet and a PC in another room. Or there's a couple USB tuners. Each one the cablecard goes directly into the tuner/device and not the PC.

One very minor thing about the tuning adapters is with SiliconDust's device which is network based, it has a usb port on it to handle the tuning adapter so they both stay at the cable outlet.

Essentially the extenders work as remote desktop thinclients to the main PC you have the tuner(s) installed on. They just pull from the pool of tuners you have installed there. So if you have Ceton's 4 tuner device, if you have an Xbox 360 or other extender running and watch live TV on it, it will use one of those 4 tuners in the PC.

The nice part about going this route is if you also watch a lot of stuff on network/OTA channels, you can add whatever combination of tuners you want. Throw in an OTA tuner or two in addition to the cablecard tuners and have that extra headroom. And you can set tuner priority in WMC so network channel recordings will try the OTA tuners first and if they are occupied, it will go to the cablecard tuners.

From what I saw Ceton has an external device that plugs into a USB of a computer, eliminating the need for install into a PC. Since I don't feel comfortable opening a PC, that would be the route I would take. The cable card would go into the Ceton External device, which plugs into the USB. The Tuner adapter would also plug into a USB.

This is all speculation for me, something to think about. I don't record television the way I use to, there are too many things that sidetrack my attention to watch television like I use to, like my Roku, my iPad. TWC on Demand was excellent. I watched a whole series on Showtime on Demand by using my iPad. Got great sound via the Apple headsets.

I don't think Showtime on Demand is available for me directly, but it is via TWC. Matter of fact for a TiVo user which does not get on Demand this is an excellent way to receive it. Granted, you watch it on the smaller screen but with the Retina display you do get an extra picture.

While I'm ranting on TWC, on Demand, iPad, I should mention that I no longer subscribe to MLB Extra Innings via TWC. SDV made that a major headache for me, and by using my Roku I get full HD picture. Now I don't get Dolby 5.1 sound, which you can get with the MLB Extra Innings, but that doesn't matter. I no longer have the 5 speaker set up and have gone with the Bose Soundbar. It is not as good as true 5.1 BUT my set up had wireless speakers that were not capable of giving me the volume my sound system was capable of delivering. I had to take them down and recharge them every day, and I broke one of the chargers so that meant I had to charge them individually. Pain in the butt. I couldn't use the more modern wireless speakers because they require a unit it the rear and I have no place to plug that in.

My iPad makes it capable of watching the game in any room. Oh and it's 125.00/season vs TWC's best price of $179.99. Sort of a no brainer there.
post #23333 of 23446
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

From what I saw Ceton has an external device that plugs into a USB of a computer, eliminating the need for install into a PC. Since I don't feel comfortable opening a PC, that would be the route I would take. The cable card would go into the Ceton External device, which plugs into the USB. The Tuner adapter would also plug into a USB.
Bingo. That's exactly how it would work.
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Originally Posted by hookbill View Post

This is all speculation for me, something to think about. I don't record television the way I use to, there are too many things that sidetrack my attention to watch television like I use to, like my Roku, my iPad. TWC on Demand was excellent. I watched a whole series on Showtime on Demand by using my iPad. Got great sound via the Apple headsets.
Yeah. I am in the same boat. I have recently come to grasp the tv watching habits of our household and matching that up with what setup to go with when we move. Save for a select few shows which appear on even fewer channels, the actual 'cable' based tv watching could be sufficed with the basic channel lineup (Although WOW only offers the cable channels in SD on basic cable over ClearQAM, getting them in HD would require a step up to 'Digital Basic' which isn't much more) and the rest via other obvious sources. I've come to actually prefer some online only content rather than traditional tv drivel. A small handful of Youtube channels with good regular content, the TWIT network, etc.. My mom mostly survives on network TV shows, TNT or STO when Nascar and baseball are on, and USA's series when they decide to air. Trim out the higher useless packages. I think even starting out I'd probably just stick with basic and use a ClearQAM tuner or two on my WMC machine and later on splurge for the Ceton box and go the next package up for the HD's. I think I have calculated and doing a double play with 15/1 internet with basic cable is $70/mo and basic digital with an HD DVR is $85. If I go the cablecard route that drops to about $72.50 I think?
post #23334 of 23446
Has anyone else had a problem with WKYC over QAM since sometime on Monday? I recorded something off WKYC HD (3_1) using a QAM tuner Sunday night, and everything was fine. On Monday and at least through first thing this morning, however, there's no picture on 3_1, 3_2 .. and I think also 43_1 & 43_2.

I re-scanned, and they didn't appear to have moved. Using the QAM tuner on one of my TV's it still shows a strong signal, but never tunes anything.

No other symptoms that I can notice. Usually WOIO is the worst quality HD signal over QAM, but that appears rock solid at the moment.

Also, I'm in the Cleveland Suburbs area (formerly Adelphia .. wish it still was).

Thanks!
post #23335 of 23446
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Originally Posted by sabhain View Post

Also, I'm in the Cleveland Suburbs area (formerly Adelphia .. wish it still was).

Thanks!

I've never met a cable company I liked, but Adelphia was by far the worst.

I just took a look at WKYC 3.1 on my computer. No cable card or box. It's coming in just fine.
post #23336 of 23446
This happens to me from time to time in Medina county as well.
I will check those stations later today.
post #23337 of 23446
As a mythtv user, Adelphia was way better than TWC. This business of marking everything copy once makes my setup infinitely more complicated.

WKYC and WUAB digital came back Tuesday night for me. I didn't change a thing .. they're working again.
post #23338 of 23446
Last night my cable modem kept resetting. I was also getting dropouts (audio and video) on the TV. I may go weeks at a time with no problem, and then several days in a row where the service is miserable.

Is this worth reporting? Anybody else having problems?
post #23339 of 23446
I would call them, sounds like the feed may be bad.
post #23340 of 23446
Does TWC have website that regularly lists new channels and lineup changes?
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