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Very interesting. Unbelievable that the FCC apparently didn't coordinate with Canada when assigning all these DTV channels to US stations close to the border.

The only problem with that is that I've had it for 3 weeks. Any time I reboot, the screen is red & out of wack looking. Need to do the wizard to fix it. This is the only time it's ever rebooted on it's own in 3 weeks, so I'm assuming it was done by Adelphia. That is good news about ESPN2-HD. I wish they would add TNT-HD as well.

-Todd

Dweezilz, if the 8300HD component outs are the same as the 8000HD, SA chose to save 5 cents on the design and make one of the component jacks do double duty as a composite video out. I assume your box is resetting to a default composite video out configuration, thus losing your "blue" or "green" component signal.

FWIW, my SA8000HD always remembers it's output configuration if I reboot or unplug.

Ya know, everytime I get an email saying this dude has posted it's always good news!

How well we know about the first 48 hours, huh handsworth?

Yeah, I know, I post those maps on AVSForum all the time.

I'm right on the edge of the WFMJ service contour. The blue line goes right through here. I've had varying success with an indoor antenna getting a very faint and not really watchable analog signal out of them, and haven't gotten a peep of digital signal out of them, even with an amplified antenna.

I'm just wondering if putting a StealthTenna out there will change anything. I sense there are terrain issues between me and the Youngstown sticks. (Remember, they're down south of downtown, and they're "in the Valley" over there.)

Hip hip, hooray!

As far as I know, the ONLY people getting ESPN2HD anywhere in the nation right now are some Adelphia customers up in Connecticut or something. Maybe Adelphia's getting a fiber-optic feed from Bristol there.

ESPN2HD? What about CBS, WUAB or FOXSOH? I can't watch any AFC Browns Games in HD or the CAVs in HD, espn2 should be low on the HD priority list for Cleveland sports.

Which channel in Cleveland is HD FOX

As far as I know everybody now has CBS in Cleveland in HD. If your an Adelphia customer and you don't see it on your list, try rebooting.

Cavs games aren't on in HD on WUAB or FOXSOH. They are on ESPN-HD or TNT-HD. There is no FOXSOH HD as far as I know. So as I said in my earlier post for the very reason stated here (to watch the Cavs in HD), I wish they'd get TNT-HD. It's the only reason I'm hanging on to Dish Network HD for an extra $15 per month on top of Adelphia.

If you are talking Fox sports...none.

I haven't heard even any rumblings that FSN Ohio is going to do anything in HD. Nothing. Zip. And I'd pretty much bet the farm that WUAB won't be doing any Cavs games in HD. WUAB, of course, does do HD itself, but only for passing through UPN network shows.

The situation may change next year or the year after, but for this year...you're only going to see the Cavs or Indians in HD on existing national networks like TNT-HD or ESPN-HD. (If I remember right, there's at least one Cavs game on ESPN-HD this coming month...after the one that aired this past week. Having LeBron on your team tends to get you more ESPN love. )

With the addition of Adelphia, I believe every major cable MSO in Northeast Ohio carries WOIO/CBS-HD. Time Warner added them a couple of weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure both Cox and Comcast have 'em. So, you'll definitely be set for Browns games this fall.

As already mentioned, CBS is now available on Adelphia. WUAB is not broadcasting any local sports in HD, so the Cavs games wouldn't be in high definition, and Fox Sports Ohio doesn't even have a high definition channel. So don't blame Adelphia for not carrying something that isn't even available.

With the addition of Adelphia, I believe every major cable MSO in Northeast Ohio carries WOIO/CBS-HD. Time Warner added them a couple of weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure both Cox and Comcast have 'em. So, you'll definitely be set for Browns games this fall. [/b][/quote]


Not all ARMSTRONG CABLE doe not have it yet. Still waiting. Come on Armstrong.

Why is it WEWS OTA does not fill the screen. I always got the sides missing on my 60 inch widescreen. I have it set to full and its coming in 720p 16:9. I have to use zoom to fill the screen. PBS OTA is not doing this.

any anwsers or does no one feel like anwsersing questions in this forum

I'd be happy to answer your question, but I do not get OTA I have Adelphia.....However, we get the same picture that OTA gets so I can tell you they fill the screen on local broadcast but when showing network shows if it is not in HD it does not fill the screen.

To tell you the truth, I'd rather they not stretch the picture and leave that option to me.

Not sure why the need to say what you did in that last line there. Everyone contributes here & is willing to help. Did I miss something where we weren't answering questions in this forum? If you asked the question previously & it went unanswered, a simple on that topic would suffice instead of sarcasm which usually gets you nowhere.

In this case however, I'll also help answer your question.

I have OTA & Adelphia. For WEWS, hookbill is correct. It is indeed the same situation on both. They don't stretch their SD content like some of the other locals do on national SD feeds. I can't recall what they do with local SD, but I'll go with hookbill that they do stretch that. The national SD feeds are sent with the black sidebars built into the 16:9 picture. WEWS just passes that along without stretching it. The only way to get rid of that is to zoom. Now if you have having problems with HD content on WEWS not filling your screen, then you have a setting problem with your TV or box (which we can't help fix without knowing the TV or box).

I'd say that the issue is just how WEWS sends SD material.

Hope that helps.

As I was reading this message the first time, I was wondering what you were talking about...as I was watching WEWS-DT, and they were running ABC's "World News Tonight'" in lovely stretch-o-vision.

And earlier today, they were running NBA basketball (Cavs vs. Lakers, go Cavs!) in stretch mode.

But since then, I think I have figured it out.

They just went into primetime with the SD-only "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition". It appears they do stretching outside of prime-time...and none in prime-time, as this show is not stretched.

Inundated, you aren't supposed to tell everyone you watch Extreme Makeover : Home Edition! The secrete is out! HA!

Honest, it was just a tune-by!

Actually, as I'm not terribly aware of what show is on what night, I usually run by all the OTA HD stations at 8 PM (7 PM Sundays) to see who's running HD shows...

Tonight I was checking OTA vs. cable, and the Grammys were coming in Dolby ProLogic II via the SA8000HD cable box (Wide Open West), but on my Samsung SIR-T165 OTA, I was getting simple "stereo". Weird???

As a side note, this is the first broadcast I have heard truly good surround with Dolby PLII, all others have been very lame compared to Fox's DD5.1....

How was your picture for the Grammies OTA and with WOW? I was very unimpressed with my Adelphia picture. Lots of pixelation and I often felt that that the picture was not particularly sharp.

Dolby ProLogic is just a stereo signal. ProLogic just uses ambience information in the regular two-channel feed to decode the surround information. And, yes, because it uses this technique, it rarely sounds anywhere near as good as full Dolby Digital. For that matter, ProLogic will extract some surround information from any stereo feed - even one that has no DPL encoding at all.

I'm not aware of any way for a receiver to "detect" ProLogic - generally, it is used only when the user turns it on. So my guess is that you have it turned on for the input that accepts your cable box, but not on the input that accepts your OTA receiver.

As for the Grammy video, I was disappointed, too. Some of the problems in the video may be Adelphia's and/or CBS's, but some seem to be inherent in digital video broadcast. For example, some of those strobing effects - you can't change that much of the screen with that rapidity without triggering pixelization. Even at the highest bandwidths allowable on the air, you're going to see pixelization. So television producers are going to have to learn how to work in the digital broadcast world. On an event that is produced specifically for television, they should be able to avoid effects that trigger broadcast problems like these.

Grammys? You mean somebody actually watches that stuff?

Well, my first recordings off of Adlephia/WOIO HD were JAG and Numb3rs. I fell asleep during the latter, but JAG looked good.

One question for you OTA folks. It was my understanding that CBS had Dolby 5.1. I thought maybe they didn't happen to use it on the two shows I recorded but now your saying it wasn't on the Grammys either. Do they not have Dolby?

CBS offers DD 5.1, but Fox and NBC are the only local stations with DD 5.1

CBS does a good job with the 5.1. I usually watch shows on DirecTv's CBS E/W feed because of the 5.1 vs. WOIO who refuses to upgrade.

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. Still I have to admit my Dolby Pro Logic II does a great job with the sound. Even football games on 804 (Adelphia's "digital") was noticeably better then on their analog station.

I thought that Adelphia's digital locals were on 3, 5, 8, 10 and the 800's were the analog versions (which use to be on 3,5, 8, & 10). I'm pretty sure that's what they said. The 800 version look terrible to me while 3, 5, 8, & 10 look much better than they did previously.

The PQ was excellent other than when the strobe lights came into play. There was one band where the strobes were constantly flashing through the whole performance with the camera gyrating quite a bit and the picture pretty much fell apart. Other than the strobe thing it was excellent PQ.

I thought the picture wasn't that great at first until I realized I had my SA8000HD set for 720p from last week's Super Bowl. Once I switched it to 1080i all was well. Just proof once again the internal scaler in that box isn't all that great.

BTW, I'm not a big awards show fan either, it was one of those things (like the Academy Awards) that I will take a look at just because it's in HD.

Nope, it's the other way around. Think about it. You need a digital box to receive the digital signals. 3, 5, 8, 10 (channel 4 in my area) you can get with just the cable hooked up to the tv. That's the way I have my bedroom tv set up (I only watch local news there).

Yeah, I must have had a momentary brain cramp. I was so tuned into the fact that the analog version actually look much better on my HDTV than do the 800 tier versions that I forgot which was which. Thought they were doing something where the lower ones were digital if you had a digital box & analog if you used basic cable. I'm assuming that the box itself is capable of delivering digital channels below 100 no?

At any rate, I just read a few old posts & saw Inundated also found the same with the lower tier locals (analog?) looking better than the 800 tier. Are we 100% sure what we are seeing is correct? I have no clue why analog channels would look better.