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Although the coveted ratings demograghic is 18 - 49; ch-19 has decided to go for 10 - 19.

They WIN!

No, I got it wrong. I'ts : "Honest, Fair.....Everywair"

And of course FOX news is "Fair and Balanced"......you have to lean to the right to straighten out the picture.

I haven't been able to receive 5.1 OTA for a while now. I punch it in and get a blank screen or a weak signal reading. My signal meter on the other hand shows it at 82.
I also tried punching in 5.2, 5.3 and 15 with no luck.
Have they ever returned the HD signal to the air after the 4/25 problem they had?

PPS
What receiver are you using? I have been having the same problem (Dish 6000). I haven't been able to receive digital 5 for a few weeks. I tried re-scanning and 15-1 shows up (it doesn't remap it to 5-01 like it used to). When I choose 15-1, the receiver shows a signal strength, pauses and then shows no picture. They must have changes something.
Jeff

I rescanned a week or two ago looking for that new WUAB music channel on 43. At that time the receiver mapped WEWS to 15-1. It's coming in fine here OTA. I have a Samsung SIR-T165 receiver. Maybe your receivers are more sensitive to incorrect PSIP information or something...

Try 15-1 It is on the air right now but thier PSIP is screwedup in that
it does not remap to 5-1 good luck.

Dan

Same thing happened to me when I tried rescanning...WEWS-DT showed up at 15-1. The earlier entry stayed in my program guide (5-1), and 5-1 has no picture...15-1 does.

I am having similar problems with ABC. It maps to 15.1 on my Disn 921 receiver. My new 942 refuses to recognize the channel altogether. Does any one has similar problems in receiving ABC with Dish 942 receiver.
What does PSIP mean anyway?

Vivek

"Program and System Information Protocol" - it basically is a packet of data that the station transmits that tells your receiver what digital subchannels are available and (I assume) what channel the analog equivalent station can be found on.

Note one of the bullet points on this page:
http://www.psip.org/psip_reasons.html
"Some receivers may not work correctly if you don't do PSIP right"

If we all chip in, we can buy the book on PSIP and send it to WEWS engineering, LOL.

I have a DISH 811 and it also comes in on 15.1, and usually (80%) the info is there and accurate...the problems i have with the info is on channels 50.1 and 50.2...but again for some reason i get these channels in crystal clear with my OTA, but cannot pull in 3, 19 or 25. Go figure....

Don't feel bad Italians, most of us have trouble with those channels. I used to get 50-1 with no prob a few months ago but now it's a no go. It never showed up in the guide. I had to punch it in.

Just noticed abc is coming in on both 5-1 and 15-1(but signal is blocky).

Is the issue with 3 and 19 related to location or their signal?? Anyone know? I get 49% on both but just cannot pull them in.....

3 is always going to be a problem until they move off that low-VHF frequency (the HD channel is actually channel 2). But they won't be moving for 2 or more years from now.

Personally, I don't have a problem with 19 as long as I keep the antenna up high on the 3rd floor of the house.

Yeah NBC & CBS are definately the two weakest for me too. I usually get WOIO though but sometimes it'll break up. WKYC is very low signal strength (60-73), but usually pops in & stays. I can't get 50.1 at all...never have.

WOIO's DT allocation is also on VHF, like WKYC-DT 2, but it's 10...high VHF. In theory, that should be somewhat easier to pick up than 2.

If you don't have a VHF antenna at ALL in your system, it could explain the problem. Though, it's my understanding that even a decent UHF antenna could probably get a high VHF if it's strong enough.

So here's a question...if I have an antenna in my attic (one of the big ones that was there when we bought the house) is that both a VHF and UHF antenna or does it depend on the model of the antenna?? It's pretty big, and that's all i know about the antenna.

Yes, not all antennas are created equal. Some are better than others, some are UHF only & some both. Usually the big 'yagi' type antennas are quite good (although big) & are usually both UHF & VHF. Sounds like that's what you have although without seeing it or knowing the model # it's hard to say for sure. One thing about channel 10 (CBS). Even though it's higher in the VHF band, it conflicts with another channel 10 coming from Detroit or Canada (can't recall which) thus it tends to have some breakup issues for some people. Some have said it's because WOIO must keep their power output down as to not cause a problem for the other channel & others say it's the power of the other channel that is causing the issues. I don't know which it is, but if the channel signal seems strong, yet on some days it has a few breakups each hour, that is the reason. It's not often that this happens for me, but it does happen. My signal strength will be low 80's & it'll freeze & pixelate a few times in an hour show, while NBC will be in the high 60's to low 70's & once it locks in, it's fine.

Either way, I have Adelphia as well, so I watch those channels on cable most of the time now.

You've probably got plenty of antenna, but the problem is your roof is going to block a lot of signal. I tried the big-antenna-in-the-attic when I started playing with HD and it just didn't work for me. Once you move the antenna outside it makes a big difference.

Now I have a small tabletop silver sensor UHF-only antenna sitting in a 3rd floor window facing Parma, and it works fine for me -- I get all the locals including WKYC. (I don't get WVIZ-DT PBS, but they are still at low power...)

I just wanted to pipe in in reference to the questions about the Dish 942 a couple posts back. I have a Winegard HD7082 gigantic rake on my roof in which all digital channels are at about 89-97% signal strength (other than WVIZ-DT which I barely get at 50% (which I understand due to their low power they are running at). WEWS-DT WILL NOT REGISTER AT ALL. Not even 1% (and according to the CEA chart, they are in the 'Yellow' zone. I get WOIO-DT which is in the 'Blue' zone at which I get 96% - so I know it is NOT the antenna) . I have a feeling that it may be a PSIP issue and the 942 OTA.

My Dish 811 has WEWS locked & coming in strong, still mapping to 5.1 (actual channel is 15.1). I won't run the scan for at this point as I don't want to lose it if there is a problem!

So out of curiosity, is the frequency for WEWS-DT at 5 or 15 or both?? When I do a scan, should I try 5? Or will it always be at '15'? I am new at this whole OTA/Digital stuff, so please bear with my naivity.

WEWS-DT is on channel 15. (note the -DT designation for digital)

The traditional call letters WEWS (without the -DT) will be on channel 5 until someday the FCC decides to let the broadcasters turn that off.

Think of them as two separate stations that just happen to be showing the same TV shows.

I think it depends on the receiver whether you can punch in 15 on the remote and get WEWS-DT directly. It sounds like some receivers make you punch "5" for the analog channel first, then make you hit the channel up button for 5.1 to get the DT signal (which the receiver knows is on 15 because it learned that during the channel scan setup process)

I can't recall how the re-mapping works. On my original Dish 6000, for a long time, the channels showed up as the actual frequency such as 31.1, 10.1, 15.1, 2.1, etc... The same goes for the old DTC-100 I had. Then at some point, one or two started showing up as the analog number with .1 on the end (such as 5.1 or 19.1). I'm assuming it's something the station is encoding in the signal to do that since a software update would have done so for all channels if that was the case. I think when I 1st got the 811, it had most but not all mapped to the analog number plus .1 on the end. Of course by going to 5.1, it took me directly to the digital version, not 5 analog.

Now all the channels are mapped to their analog plus the .1. When analog goes away totally (who knows when), they'll obviously have to change it to the actual frequency again since the other numbers will not be relevent anymore.

Same here. Though I don't usually have much probably getting a solid lock on WOIO-DT with my OTA box, even with my indoor antenna pointed out the window in northwest Akron. Maybe I'm on the right side of the stick, if there are interference issues out of Detroit or Canada...

I've got an old antenna in my attic, it was there when I got the house. The wiring is old and I think it's just UHF so I haven't even bothered with it.

He's the thing about my reception. I've elevated my HDTVi a few feet higher and it has made an actual difference. I can now get WKYC, but usually only locked in by evening and in the nighttime. By morning it's gone. Is that a solar issue or is that a broadcasting signal strength issue?

It's a "WKYC-DT Is On Low VHF Channel 2" issue.

The biggest problem with that channel, as with WKYC's analog channel 3, is noise. VHF 2 is SO susceptible to electrical interference. If you wanna see why, just pull out a small analog TV with rabbit ears and look carefully at the reception on 3...it's even worse on 2.

If you're getting locks on WKYC-DT in evening/night and not during the day, perhaps there is nearby industrial electrical interference that only shows up during the workday. Just a guess. It's not that regular for me, but I've usually noticed that my locks on WKYC-DT are at night and on weekends.

Both you and I are using indoor antennas. If you can get VHF wiring out of that old outdoor antenna in the attic (and it has VHF elements), you might have much better luck. There's not a lot of room for error with low VHF and indoor antennas. Getting it outside and facing to Parma may be the only way you can squeeze out WKYC-DT 24/7.

The interference on WOIO-DT is from CFPL-TV London, Ontario about 110 miles north of Greater Cleveland. I grew up watching CFPL from my home in Euclid. It came in like gangbusters every summer (along with several other Canadian, Detroit , Erie, and Toledo stations). If you live in Lake, Geauga or Ashtabula counties you can count on interference on WOIO-DT (hey this gives a whole new meaning to the "snow belt"). If you live far enough south - like in Mansfield, I'm willing to bet WBNS-10 out of Columbus is also taking a byte out of your WOIO-DT reception.

Out of all the Cleveland DT assignments, WOIO-DT's being ch 10 is one of the worst choices the comittee made (followed by WKYC-DT's being on ch 2). I have nothing against VHF assignments, however when there are stations on nearly every VHF channel within 120 miles of a city VHF DT assignments should not have been considered. The "skip" from neighboring areas (not to mention the problems people in the outlying areas like Sandusky) will cause guarenteed interference problems.

Even the UHF DT's are not immune from the neighbors. About the only Cleveland DT assignment that I have not previously DX'ed an analog station on from my days in Euclid is ch 15 (digital home of WEWS-DT).

Using a highly directional antenna is almost a necessity in order to mitigate the analog interference. Even then if the interfering analog signal is strong enough you still may get pixillation or black screens.

I'm lucky that I now live in the Parma antenna farm. WOIO-DT peggs my 921 at a solid 125. I still cannot get a lock on WVIZ. I found out from their web site that they are on an "STA" (special temporary authority) broadcasting at a paltry 1 kw on a 99' tower located at their Brookpark Rd. studio (which is farther north and down the hill from the rest of the antenna farm tower sites).
So unless you live along I-480 just west of State, you probably won't be getting a lock on ch 26. (HINT: now you know where to aim if you want to try for WVIZ).

Welcome to the thread! Some pages back here, we had a discussion of this, and confirmation that WVIZ was working on its permanent DT installation, at the same North Royalton site that houses analog 25. There was a legal battle between WVIZ and Infinity Broadcasting (Viacom), which owns the site also used for one of its FM stations, WNCX/98.5.

The legal stuff was resolved, and WVIZ/ideastream has been doing the planning, and presumably at this point, actual construction of the new full-power DT site. Last I'd heard, the full-power DT 26 should be up sometime this summer. (I can't get the tiny stick at the studios here, either, though Adelphia does put WVIZ-DT's HD feed on its system.)

As far as the interference issues on DT 10 go, I guess I'm too far from London, Ontario for CFPL's analog stick to be a problem, and too far from Columbus for WBNS's analog stick to be a problem. We never really got CFPL down here in Akron, even when I was a kid. (For anyone who cares - CFPL, now known as "The New PL" in a regional network of stations in Ontario, will change again to "The A Channel" this fall.)

anyone have any advice for/against putting my HDTVi in the attic and trying to pull all the locals with it on my 811?? I have it behind my tv now, down low, and pull 8, 15, 43, 50, 50.1 so I'm hoping that maybe having the antenna in the attic will help me pull almost everything from my western North Olmsted home. Any pros or cons would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all your knowledge and help!!

If you've got RG/6 coax going to the attic, it would be easy to just give it a try, it can't hurt. I really advise putting that antenna in a window though (with no metal screen in front of it). It was a PITA, but I ran RG/6 coax directly from the ground floor TV to a 3rd floor bedroom just so I could put my Silver Sensor on top of a dresser aimed out the window towards Parma.