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post #2731 of 4033
It's made by OnQ. The amp allows external inputs to be added to the cable stream. I have exterior cameras on the house. The cameras have boxes that allow you to select an empty analog channel. May be old fashioned in this age of internet cameras, but I have more TV's than computers. The amp hasn't given me problems before, but it could be getting old (5 years).
post #2732 of 4033
I'm new to Denver and have the standard Comcast cable package. I let my tv search for the digital channels Comcast offers free, and found alot. However, I cannot find CBS HD. I find a digital version of cbs, but its not HD.

My tv found nbc, abc, fox, pbs, etc fine, just not CBS. I want CBS because I want to be able to get the Broncos games in HD.

Can anyone help me out?
post #2733 of 4033
CBS HD should be at 89.2, but not all TV's are picking it up for some reason. My TV (Sharp) picks it up just fine, but others here are having problems getting the channel.
post #2734 of 4033
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Originally Posted by dubbledxu View Post

Can anyone help me out?

No, but you might be able to help us. In what area of town do you live? If you read back a page or two you will find others with the same issue. I live south of Denver, in Highlands Ranch, and have no trouble with any of the locals coming across via QAM. I'm not sure if someone had isolated this problem to a particular head end or if it was spread throughout the area. I'm not sure there's anything we can do about it. You might try calling Comcast and asking for a CSR who is knowledgeable about QAM tuners, but Comcast is not under any obligation to provide HD versions of local channels - just the digital version, which you already found.

If your TV has a QAM tuner, it must also have an ATSC tuner. Again, this varies greatly by location, but you might try hooking up an indoor antenna to see what you can get. Most of the locals are broadcasting from downtown (Republic Plaza). If you're a good distance away KCNC might be tough to receive because it's channel 35 OTA and the higher frequencies don't carry as far.
post #2735 of 4033
Much thanks for all your help. I was able to find CBS HD when I punch in 89.2 directly, but my TV does not find it when it searches for some reason. I re-ran the channel search and it found all the same channels as before, just not 89.2 again.

Thanks for all the help, i was able to watch the Broncos pull out a win in HD without having to use an antenna for OTA
post #2736 of 4033
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Originally Posted by HDJello View Post

Comcast's "limited HD offering" is actually fairly extensive. They are the only service that offers all of the OTA stations, including the only local PBS HD channel, KRMA-DT, on 658 (the other PBS affiliate, KBDI, is not available but they do not transmit HD.

Up until recently, I used to receive 3 PBS channels: KRMA SD, KBDI SD and KBDI HD. I noticed my HDHomerun is not longer able to pick up KBDI HD. Anyone else notice this change?
post #2737 of 4033
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Originally Posted by MorrisonHiker View Post

Up until recently, I used to receive 3 PBS channels: KRMA SD, KBDI SD and KBDI HD. I noticed my HDHomerun is not longer able to pick up KBDI HD. Anyone else notice this change?

I assume you mean KRMA HD (I don't think KBDI broadcasts in HD). My TV currently finds KRMA HD at 6.1 (was at 116.2 a while ago).
post #2738 of 4033
Does anyone know about CBS HD in the Greeley area?

would it be the same as 89.2 if anyone knows? I have a built in QAM tuner in my Panny TH42PZ700U and get a few other HD channels (NBC/PBS/KDVR/KMGH) but haven't been able to locate CBS yet...and with the looming Broncos game I would hope to find it before sunday.

I do have the choice of getting it via broadcast out of Cheyenne but I get bad macroblocking due to their stupid sub channel.
post #2739 of 4033
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Originally Posted by flood222 View Post

Does anyone know about CBS HD in the Greeley area?

would it be the same as 89.2 if anyone knows? I have a built in QAM tuner in my Panny TH42PZ700U and get a few other HD channels (NBC/PBS/KDVR/KMGH) but haven't been able to locate CBS yet...and with the looming Broncos game I would hope to find it before sunday.

I do have the choice of getting it via broadcast out of Cheyenne but I get bad macroblocking due to their stupid sub channel.

Did you try just entering 89.2, as dubbledxu did, above? Other than that, I don't have a suggestion.

I have a similar problem here in the southern suburbs, although with KWGN. It used to be at 116-1, but my TV no longer finds it in a scan, nor does it find anything if I enter the channel directly. It seems to have disappeared about the same time that 116-2 started remapping to 6-1. If anyone else has found KWGN's HD channel via QAM, please let me know where it is. Thanks.

I wonder if any of this is a limitation of my (our ) TV's.
post #2740 of 4033
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Originally Posted by gakon View Post

Did you try just entering 89.2, as dubbledxu did, above? Other than that, I don't have a suggestion.

I have a similar problem here in the southern suburbs, although with KWGN. It used to be at 116-1, but my TV no longer finds it in a scan, nor does it find anything if I enter the channel directly. It seems to have disappeared about the same time that 116-2 started remapping to 6-1.

I wonder if any of this is a limitation of my (our ) TV's.

Im going to give it a whirl when I get home(89.2). A friend of mine says he can get HBO HD sometimes too but the channel moves around a lot.

I haven't ever found KWGN either. I'll mess with it again tonight.
post #2741 of 4033
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Originally Posted by flood222 View Post

Im going to give it a whirl when I get home(89.2). A friend of mine says he can get HBO HD sometimes too but the channel moves around a lot.

I've never seen HBO HD. I have seen On Demand channels in the 101-102 range and 113-114 range, including HBO occasionally (some HD, some SD). Those channels always float around, because it's whatever someone else is watching. I just wish they would stop fast forwarding - sometimes there really is a plot, not just a "money shot".
post #2742 of 4033
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Originally Posted by dvdmth View Post

I assume you mean KRMA HD (I don't think KBDI broadcasts in HD). My TV currently finds KRMA HD at 6.1 (was at 116.2 a while ago).

Yeah, I think you are right. I just remembered I had 3 PBS channels and one was HD. I'll check there. Thanks.
post #2743 of 4033
I found National Geographic but not CBS yet.

I stopped at howard stern for a few.
post #2744 of 4033
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Originally Posted by flood222 View Post

I found National Geographic but not CBS yet.

I stopped at howard stern for a few.

Where'd you find NG?
post #2745 of 4033
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Originally Posted by flood222 View Post

Im going to give it a whirl when I get home(89.2). A friend of mine says he can get HBO HD sometimes too but the channel moves around a lot.

I haven't ever found KWGN either. I'll mess with it again tonight.

I'm in Ft. Collins, and haven't been able to find CBS HD for a long time. It's not at 89.2, like some here have posted. Last I found it, it was at 4.1, but that was back in April or May. I also lost KWGN HD as well, but I can't remember where it used to be. My 116.1 and 116.2 are both no signal.

If anyone can find those two channels, I would sure appreciate it.
post #2746 of 4033
Well in loveland (outside actually) the networks now are 68.1, 68.2, 69.1 and 69.2

Give them a try...
post #2747 of 4033
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Originally Posted by Bletch View Post

I'm in Ft. Collins, and haven't been able to find CBS HD for a long time. It's not at 89.2, like some here have posted. Last I found it, it was at 4.1, but that was back in April or May. I also lost KWGN HD as well, but I can't remember where it used to be. My 116.1 and 116.2 are both no signal.

If anyone can find those two channels, I would sure appreciate it.


I get CBS-HD on 87.2 and KWGN on 0-656 which is probably a weirdness of my TV.
post #2748 of 4033
Well I have tried all the above listed channels to try and get CBSHD. I may just have to try to get it OTA instead.

Also NationGeographic HD has moved from the channel it was (90-somthing). I'll rescan this afternoon one last time.

Also my TV does for example 113-3 not 113.3, not sure if it makes a difference. I assume a - and a . are treated the same.
post #2749 of 4033
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Originally Posted by coorsleftfield View Post

I get CBS-HD on 87.2 and KWGN on 0-656 which is probably a weirdness of my TV.

And that's using Ft. Collins Comcast? I tried those, and all I get is the automatic re-direction to channel 71 (24 hours of 9News).

I also tried 68.1, 68.2, 69.1 and 69.2 with no signal at all on those.

Here's my mapping:

0-652 redirects to 87, which is ABC HD
0-653 redirects to 85, which is NBC HD
0-655 redirects to 85, which is FOX HD (very strange - 85 shows up as both NBC and FOX!)
6-1 is PBS HD
94-1 is My20 HD (KTVD)

Every other 0-xxx channel I try manually just redirects to 71 (including 0-656).

This "redirection" may be just a Panasonic thing (my TV is a Panny 37-inch Plasma, purchases last November), or a QAM thing, I don't know.

In my channel setup menu, the above 0-65x show up just fine, and CBS used to be at 0-654, but not any more.
post #2750 of 4033
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Originally Posted by Bletch View Post

Every other 0-xxx channel I try manually just redirects to 71 (including 0-656).

This "redirection" may be just a Panasonic thing (my TV is a Panny 37-inch Plasma, purchases last November), or a QAM thing, I don't know.

In my channel setup menu, the above 0-65x show up just fine, and CBS used to be at 0-654, but not any more.

My Samsung won't even accept a 0-### channel, so if Comcast puts something there, I'll never find it.
post #2751 of 4033
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Originally Posted by coorsleftfield View Post

I get CBS-HD on 87.2 and KWGN on 0-656 which is probably a weirdness of my TV.

I just bought a Samsung DTB-H260F and can't get KCNC-HD or KWGN HD or KTVD HD. I tried 87-2, 89-2 and all the 87-x channels that the STB picked up. I also tried punching in 654 without any luck. I checked all the other channels that the STB picked up and didn't auto-label. When I hooked up the antenna and scanned OTA, I can get KCNC-HD and KWGN HD, but no KTVD HD. Why can't I get these channels with the STB QAM tuner, but can with Comcast's HD-PVR Motorola?
post #2752 of 4033
The QAM card in my htpc still finds KCNCDT (CBS) at 89-2 and KWGNDT (CW) at either 116-1 or 116-2, I can't remember which. But the QAM tuners in my LG and Samsung TVs do not find either of them, either through scanning or manual entry. I'm in Boulder.

Comcast is obviously experimenting with with how they provide PSIP info. In some cases, like the remapping of KRMADT to 6-1 and ABC, NBC and FOX to the 0-65x range, my TVs can pick them up, while in these other two cases they can't. MYNetwork at 117-1 is the only one that doesn't get remapped.

The QAM tuners in TVs these days are all different, such that some are able to pick up KCNCDT and KWGNDT and some aren't. As far as I can tell there's nothing to be done but wait for Comcast to change the way they map these channels, though I suppose they could just as easily go the other way and screw all of them up.

Comcast sucks. They have no incentive to fix this, and with football season upon us I'm sure they're looking forward to QAM users breaking down and renting boxes from them.

Derek
post #2753 of 4033
In reality, Comcast is under no obligation to provide the HD versions of the locals. They are only required to provide the digital channels, and you will probably find digital versions of the SD channels somewhere else on your QAM tuner. Of course, when the analog switch happens, will the locals be providing two different channels - one 4:3 SD and one 16:9 HD, or will it only be the latter?
post #2754 of 4033
When the transmitter on Lookout Mountain is finished, this should not be an issue. At that point most people along the Front Range will be able to receive local HD OTA.

Concerning cable and the analog-digital divide, today there was an article in the Spotlight section of the Rocky Mountain News addressing the issue. Apparently the FCC is compelling cable companies to continue offering analog cable service to analog-only customers until Feb 2012. It doesn't quite address what you were discussing, but I found it interesting nonetheless. This should really screw with Comcast's introduction of new HD channels. They must continue to provide broadcast channels in SD in some fashion for the next five years.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...700589,00.html


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Originally Posted by gakon View Post

In reality, Comcast is under no obligation to provide the HD versions of the locals. They are only required to provide the digital channels, and you will probably find digital versions of the SD channels somewhere else on your QAM tuner. Of course, when the analog switch happens, will the locals be providing two different channels - one 4:3 SD and one 16:9 HD, or will it only be the latter?
post #2755 of 4033
Comcast could choose to provide boxes for free to the analog only customers.
post #2756 of 4033
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Originally Posted by Snagglepuss View Post

When the transmitter on Lookout Mountain is finished, this should not be an issue. At that point most people along the Front Range will be able to receive local HD OTA.

Not everyone is lucky/unlucky enough to have direct LOS to Lookout Mountain and its plethora of towers. Some people will always have to rely on Comcast or another service in order to receive HD in the Denver metro area.
post #2757 of 4033
When the tower is finished and the stations are broadcasting at full power, LOS should not be necessary in a lot of cases. I have a friend in Evergreen (Brook Forest) who currently gets KTFD DT(channel 14.1). I think they're broadcasting from Mt. Morrison, and he does not have line of sight. I am sure there will be people unable to receive OTA even with full power and the new tower, so this may still be an issue.

The question is whether the locals (and all other cable channels) will continue to broadcast two different versions of each channel (SD and HD) or will they consolidate? For the locals (this discussion is currently taking place in the Denver OTA thread), will they broadcast HD and SD versions as different sub-channels, taking even more bandwidth away from the HD version? For the cable channels, what will Comcast (and others) do if ESPN, for example, only has one version and it's in HD? How would they charge extra for it?
post #2758 of 4033
I was addressing the person who was trying to tune in the local HD channels via QAM. One would think if he/she tried to tune in via cable, he/she could also tune in OTA. If not, it's a very odd television set.

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Originally Posted by MorrisonHiker View Post

Not everyone is lucky/unlucky enough to have direct LOS to Lookout Mountain and its plethora of towers. Some people will always have to rely on Comcast or another service in order to receive HD in the Denver metro area.
post #2759 of 4033
That could prove very expensive for Comcast, especially when everybody else starts to complain about having to pay for their cable box while these people don't.

I'd actually love to see them take the cable-boxes-for-all option. Then we could finally get true digital SD (and, perhaps, HD) for many more channels. I'm tired of the faux stereo sound on FX, for example. They rechanneled mono to stereo about ten years ago, when it was Jones Intercable, and have not fixed it since. The last time I spoke to a tech supervisor, he said it was a matter of bandwidth, and they were waiting for the full digital conversion. Still waiting.


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Originally Posted by colofan View Post

Comcast could choose to provide boxes for free to the analog only customers.
post #2760 of 4033
As of Feb 2009, they must fully convert to digital. As you likely know, analog TV will go away literally over night. This will free up the VHF band presently used by channels 2 - 13 for local emergency and military use, and is one of the principle reasons the government gave for making the change.

If broadcasters choose to provide both a digital SD and digital HD signal, the bandwidth must come from somewhere. It is also my understanding that the SD ATSC TVs will provide a letterboxed digital picture regardless of whether or not the signal is HD, so this may not be an issue. If anybody knows for sure, I'd appreciate your insight.

Regarding the blackout spots along the Front Range, many of them are there with the analog towers. Whether it is a digital or analog signal, VHF and UHF are line-of-sight frequency bands. If you can't see the transmitter with your receiver's antenna, you won't receive the signal. I'm sure we all agree, however, that overall OTA reception will be better than it is now from the current Republic Plaza Tower location downtown. Blackout spots will likely be addressed with repeaters, as they are now (if they are now).

What bothers me is how rich this conversion is making China at America's expense, with the exception of Vizo televisions (which are made in America). I'm especially concerned about how screwed the poor are with this conversion. Their TVs will become pretty expensive door stops if Congress and the electronics vendors don't come through with those fabled $50 analog-to-digital converter boxes.


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Originally Posted by gakon View Post

When the tower is finished and the stations are broadcasting at full power, LOS should not be necessary in a lot of cases. I have a friend in Evergreen (Brook Forest) who currently gets KTFD DT(channel 14.1). I think they're broadcasting from Mt. Morrison, and he does not have line of sight. I am sure there will be people unable to receive OTA even with full power and the new tower, so this may still be an issue.

The question is whether the locals (and all other cable channels) will continue to broadcast two different versions of each channel (SD and HD) or will they consolidate? For the locals (this discussion is currently taking place in the Denver OTA thread), will they broadcast HD and SD versions as different sub-channels, taking even more bandwidth away from the HD version? For the cable channels, what will Comcast (and others) do if ESPN, for example, only has one version and it's in HD? How would they charge extra for it?
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