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post #61 of 4033
Got my install done this morning, the entire process took maybe 15 minutes. So far, I am fairly impressed. The stations that are broadcasting in HD look great. HBOHD looks better than a DVD, while some of the content on INHD is awe-inspiring. I look forward to the Tonight Show and Sunday Night Football to see some true high-definition material.

I am having one problem. My INHD1 channel is having a brief audio and video dropout about every 10 seconds. The audio will drop out very briefly, and then at the same time the picture will do that weird digital pixelation thing very quickly. Is this a problem others have seen that maybe just needs to get worked out on the Comcast end, or should I call service already?

Let's hope that Comcast gets ABC up real soon, like in the next 72 hours! An addition of HDNET and Discovery HD would be warmly welcomed as well, but first priority needs to be Monday Night Football, and in the not so distant future, the Super Bowl.

Brett
post #62 of 4033
Thanks for the help everyone. I finally got hooked up Thursday. They couldn't activate the box right away because someone had cut the fiber optic cable somewhere. My comcast Internet was down most of the day also.

HD looks great. GIVE ME MORE! Did you any of you guys catch that thing about penguins on INHD. It was literally like looking through a window at them.

Like Benzyl, I am wondering why the Tonight Show and ER were shown in 4:3. Are they always?

I also sent an email to KMGH website asking when ABC hd would be available from comcast.
Here is the response directly from Cindy L. Velasquez herself:

"The retransmission consent necessary for carriage is currently being
negotiated. We hope it is resolved soon."


J. D.
post #63 of 4033
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Originally posted by nu2this
Like Benzyl, I am wondering why the Tonight Show and ER were shown in 4:3. Are they always?

I saw ER on Bell ExpressVu and it was HD. It's probably a KUSA issue, someone not flipping the switch.
post #64 of 4033
Is anybody else having problems with INHD1? In my post above I mentioned this, that that the audio is dropping out briefly every 5 seconds, accompanied by the screen pixeling out. I called Comcast and complained, and they sent the original tech back out to take a look. He said he has seen this on every install he has done in Boulder "25 or so", and only on this channel. He said there is nothing that can be done from my end, that it is some type of compression issue that Comcast needs to work out. Seems to me this should have been worked out while they tested the boxes for the last 2 months. Should I take hos word for this, or dig deeper with Comcast?

Brett
post #65 of 4033
Brett,

My InHD (both channels) always have great pictures with no breakups so far. However, on one of the channels (I don't recall which one) I have had an ocassional audio dropout. Its very quick, and doesn't happen often or regularly. I'm in Southwest Denver.

I'd say that if it isn't fixed quickly, keep calling Comcast. In my experience they will do whatever it takes to fix a problem. Others may have had other experiences, but mine have all been good.

Tim
post #66 of 4033
I called up comcast today, and the CSR checked the computers and said that they had service in Fort Collins. I did my dance of joy while she put me on hold to draw up the work order for the install. When she got back on the line she ripped out my heart and stomped on it a few times when she said her supervisor told her that it wasn't ready yet in Fort Collins! There was no eta on when they would have it. Anyone with more info?

Ed
post #67 of 4033
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Originally posted by Tweakophyte


Have you (or anyone) compared the way the locals look on big screen TVs on Comcast (with the 5100) versus Dish? I see compression artifacts on my 31" TV fairly easily with Dish. I'm going to get a 50" HDTV soon and there's a good chance I'll switch to Comcast. Has anyone switched?

Thanks,
PS Keep the stories coming!

I have not had a chance to compare I have never had a sattelite system, was real tempted to get it but the price of HD hardware is to expensive right now.
post #68 of 4033
Hooray!

I just got the news from Comcast. HD service has been available in the Denver area since Monday, September 15th. It's free of charge until December or January and then will cost $5 more per month over digital cable. I can't wait to check it out.

Mike Riley
post #69 of 4033
Anybody else watch the two HD college football games today? This was my first chance to watch football in HD. I watched some of the Eastern/Western Kentucy game on InHD, and part of the Miami/BC game on ESPN. I don't really care about any of the teams (though I used to hate Miami when I was at Florida back in the early 80's).

I thought the PQ on InHD was pretty incredible until I saw the ESPN HD picture. Wow! I think ESPN blew away InHD. Maybe it was better lighting, or something, but it was definitely better. My TV is native 720p, so I wonder if that made a difference too?

Tim
post #70 of 4033
Does anyone know if a QAM HD tuner can be used with Comcast HD?

I'd heard the $5 monthly charge was for the rental of the HD box... I'm curious if I could buy a Samnung HD tuner w QAM support and use it's DVI output.
post #71 of 4033
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Originally posted by mayest
I thought the PQ on InHD was pretty incredible until I saw the ESPN HD picture. Wow! I think ESPN blew away InHD. Maybe it was better lighting, or something, but it was definitely better.

I think there was a difference, but maybe not as much as you did. Maybe it was because the InHD game was in Kentucky . I think there were some pretty great pictures on some of the other InHD programming comparable to the quality on ESPNHD, so I don't know if it could have been the 720p vs. 1080i (I'm assuming that's what InHD is). My Samsung DLP is also 720p.

How do the analog cable channels look to you over the 5100? I think they're quite poor compared to a direct coax feed to the TV. I'm not sure if it's the better upconverter in the Samsung or what, but it's very noticeable.
post #72 of 4033
You might be right. I watched a little more of the E/W Kentucky game on the replay. It wasn't as bright and I think it wasn't as clear. I agree that there have been some stunning pictures on InHD that rival the game on ESPN HD (especially the nature shows -- that penguin thing is very good).

At first, I thought the analog cable was as good on the 5100 as on my old box. However, I'm not so sure now but its not a dramatic difference. I still have the old box, but I feed it through a TiVo which I think hurts the PQ a little. Tonight the analog channels on the 5100 didn't look as good to me. Maybe that's because I've watched almost nothing but HD for the last couple of days. Anyway, I just watched "Coupling" from the BBC America channel on TiVo and I think it looked better than the analog/digital channels on the 5100. Its hard to tell because I seem to adjust to whatever I'm watching. SD looks bad at first, but better as the memory of HD fades a bit.

I'm just hoping that we can get the MNF game this week in HD. On ABC would be great, but if they run it over InHD (that's a rumor I picked up somewhere) that would be great too.

Tim
post #73 of 4033
I also have a native 720p display (50" sony lcd). Tim and gakon,
are your STB's set to output at 720p or 1080i? From what I understand, 720p looks better for fast moving stuff like football games and ESPN HD is the only one that comcast currently broadcasts with this resolution. I'm concerned that if I change the box to 720p the Inhd and PBS nature stuff (broadcast in 1080i) will suffer.

I agree with gakon, the sdtv is a little worse than my old analog cable signal. I'm currently letting the 5100 do the converting, but I have the option to hook up the coax directly to my tv's aux in for non-scrambled channels.

I'm still very happy. I've had my hdtv for a year and now I can really see what it can do.

BTW, have you guys gotten any KUSA prime time hdtv in 6:9? Even Leno has been 4:3 all week.
post #74 of 4033
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Originally posted by nu2this
I also have a native 720p display (50" sony lcd). Tim and gakon,
are your STB's set to output at 720p or 1080i?

Mine is outputting 720p and the 4:3 override is set to off (the other 4:3 selections don't play well with the DLP). If an image being broadcast in 1080i is suffering, I certainly don't notice it, given the massive improvement in PQ for HD over analog cable. That said, I don't know if InHD is 1080i or 720p - I couldn't find any info on their web site. I know NBC is broadcasting in 1080i, and I don't think the picture is quite as good, but it may be the content (Law and Order has a lot of dark scenes). I also may need to do some tweaking on the DLP.

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BTW, have you guys gotten any KUSA prime time hdtv in 6:9? Even Leno has been 4:3 all week.

I just got HDTV through Comcast yesterday, and L&O was in 16:9. It's the only HD on KUSA I've watched.

As far as the MNF game rumor on InHD, I really would like it to be true, but the InHD schedule shows other programming already planned for that time. Of course they could always change it, or KMGH and Comcast could agree on retransmission in time, but I'm not going to get too optimistic.

Finally, we bust on ABC a lot, but we're not getting KCNC/CBS via Comcast either. We could be seeing more football, plus CSI, plus other shows I don't watch. Anybody heard about when CBS might be available?
post #75 of 4033
I agree with the InHD game(1080i) not looking as bright or clear as ESPNHD, but I have cbs OTA HD and their football games in 1080i look great! Better than ESPNHD which I think is lower on the HD quality scale. I also have seen ABC HD (720p) which is a better comparison VS ESPNHD and ABC is sharper in my opinion. My projector can handle all the HD formats so I did a comparison in the native formats of the channel, however I just leave it on 1080i because I don't feel like fussing with it and the difference is not that noticeable to me. Also I notice a difference when I set the 4:3 overide to 480i that way I can bypass the scaler in the Moto 5100 box, which isn't very good, and use the scaler in my projector which is, so the analogs look fine. CBS HD sports is awesome the prior post about getting on comcast about CBS as well as ABC is RIGHT ON!
post #76 of 4033
From what I have read in other CBS theads on AVSForum, the Denver CBS station is Owned and Operated (O&O) by CBS. So the carrier rights issue is not just Denver, it is all the major O&O stations (except Chicago they have a grandfather clause). The good news is allot of people are putting pressure on CBS to make this happen, the bad news is there is allot of money involved, so it may take awhile.

In other news, there are some threads that are saying that Comcast is negotiating with Dicovery Channel, but I wouldn't be holding my breath for the channel to show up soon.

Benzyl
post #77 of 4033
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Originally posted by nu2this
I also have a native 720p display (50" sony lcd). Tim and gakon,
are your STB's set to output at 720p or 1080i? From what I understand, 720p looks better for fast moving stuff like football games and ESPN HD is the only one that comcast currently broadcasts with this resolution. I'm concerned that if I change the box to 720p the Inhd and PBS nature stuff (broadcast in 1080i) will suffer.



BTW, have you guys gotten any KUSA prime time hdtv in 6:9? Even Leno has been 4:3 all week.

I have the box set to 720p, but my TV is native 720p. If your Sony is a native 1080i, then I think you are better with the 1080i output. I've currently got the 4:3 Override setting turned to Off, but I'm going to try the 480i setting and see if it gives better quality as zeff suggests. I have a weird little line on the right side of the KUSA 4:3 feed on the HD channel. Its not too obnoxious, but maybe that setting will get rid of it (the problem is only on KUSA).

I've seen a couple of 16:9 programs on KUSA. Leno looks spectacular, but they did forget to flip the 16:9 switch one night (I think it was Thursday). Fox's Widescreen enhanced is better than analog, but nothing to write home about.

Tim
post #78 of 4033
Hello all,

How does Comcast's on screen guide compare with that of Directv--can you set custom channel lists/etc? Does the channel stay visible and audible while you access the guide?

Thanks,
N
post #79 of 4033
FWIW a Comcast CSR said that channel 7 ABC is now available on cable. She didn't know if MNF would be on tonight but "assumed it would be".
post #80 of 4033
Iwanthd,

I hope who ever you talked to on the phone is correct but my cable installer wrote down channel 652 for kmgh hd. As of 10:45 Monday morning, I can't get that channel. It skips right over it. Does anyone know if channel 652 is where kmgh will be?

Sunday night, the prime time shows that are supposed to be hi def on KUSA (from 8:00 - 10:00) were displayed in 4:3 on my set. They have light gray bars on the side. I assume these are coming from the 5100 because when my tv does the bars they are black. Did anyone else experience this? Maybe I have been missing it, but I have yet to see anything on KUSA in 6:9.

About the 1080i - 720p thing; After a lot of experimentation, I have set the box 5100 box to output 1080i. Even though my set is native 720p it is much better at converting the signals than the 5100. Currently, all the hd on Denver Comcast cable except ESPN hd is being transmitted in 1080i. By setting the 5100 to 1080i and let my tv do the converting, I let the better scaler do the majority of the work for most of the stations. I realize that I am then converting the ESPN 1080i signal to 720p on the 5100 and back again to 720p on my tv. As far as the ESPN pq, I don't notice a huge difference, but then again, it take so long to switch the 5100 back and forth it's hard to tell. Does this make sense or am I missing something here?
post #81 of 4033
Quote:


Originally posted by N123
Hello all,

How does Comcast's on screen guide compare with that of Directv--can you set custom channel lists/etc? Does the channel stay visible and audible while you access the guide?

Thanks,
N

I haven't seen a DirectTV on screen guide in several years, but I think the Comcast guide is pretty awful. The on screen guide from my TiVo is far superior. Also, TiVo recently added a new guide format from TV Guide. I like its looks better than the old-style TiVo guide, but it is way too slow so I switched back to the old guide.

Tim
post #82 of 4033
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Originally posted by nu2this
I hope who ever you talked to on the phone is correct but my cable installer wrote down channel 652 for kmgh hd. As of 10:45 Monday morning, I can't get that channel. It skips right over it. Does anyone know if channel 652 is where kmgh will be?

I won't be home until just before the game tonight, but I spoke to a CSR who said that they needed to send a signal to the box to allow it to receive new channels (sounded like they could do that remotely). They also said that ABC is still NOT part of the lineup. If someone else wants to call and see what story they get, it would be nice to know.

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Sunday night, the prime time shows that are supposed to be hi def on KUSA (from 8:00 - 10:00) were displayed in 4:3 on my set.

The bars come from Channel 9. It seemed that they switched back and forth between 16:9 and 4:3 many times - I even think they switched to a different L&O:CI episode for a little while, because at one point it was different than what was on the analog KUSA feed. I think they must still be getting used to controlling HDTV (not that I know what's required to do this). But I did see quite a bit of L&O that WAS in 16:9.

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About the 1080i - 720p thing; After a lot of experimentation, I have set the box 5100 box to output 1080i.

I will try this. I'm not sure I'll notice that much difference in HD. I'd still like the output of the 5100 to show regular cable with better PQ, but I'm not sure what could be causing that (I don't think switching to 1080i would affect the analog cable picture quality).
post #83 of 4033
I hate to dash everyones hopes for an hd football game tonight, but I just got off the phone with a Comcast CSR. She knew nothing about adding KMGH to their line up and said her understanding was that they still havn't reached a re-transmission agreement. She checked the latest "comcast headline bulletin" for company news and it didn't mention it either.

I think it would be a good idea to get names of these CSR's when we call in. Then we could at least track down who said what, and where they got their info. (I'm guilty of it too. I forgot to get the names of the people I talked to.)

She said that when any new stations become available they immediately send the signal to everyone's 5100 that should get it.
post #84 of 4033
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Originally posted by gakon
I'd still like the output of the 5100 to show regular cable with better PQ, but I'm not sure what could be causing that (I don't think switching to 1080i would affect the analog cable picture quality).

Does your Samsung DLP have an "aux in" and a "converter out" jacks? This will bypass the 5100 for regular cable viewing. It is more of a pain to flip through the channels because you have to press "Ant" on your remote to access scrambled or hd channels but may be worth it if the pq is greatly improved for regular cable. Here is how the hook up works with the Sony LCD:

1) Connect the coax cable from the wall directly to the TV's VHF/UHF jack.

2) Using a coax cable, connect your TV's "to Converter" jack to the the cable box's IN jack.

3) Connect a coax cable from the cable box's out to the AUX input on your TV.

As I said, this is how it works with my TV. You may check your Samsung manual first to see if this is possible. The other option would be a splitter.

Good Luck!

Jeff
post #85 of 4033
I just got off the phone too, for some reason the main number sent me to the sales department. Anyhow he said the press release about two Broncos games in HD were for games airing on Fox. Gave me the dates but I didn't pay attention, at that point I was pretty disappointed. This goes against the article in the Denver Business Journal which specifically names tonights game.

I don't have enough posts to post a link. But google HDTV Broncos and it's there.

"The HDTV games will be Oakland vs. Denver, on Sept. 22,and New England vs. Denver, on Nov. 3."
post #86 of 4033
I just got off the phone with Amber 303-537-1064 to inquire about the Comcast HD package. She was very sweet, but only said about CBS and ABC that new local channels were being added all the time.

Currently, it works like this for the minimalist:

$13.44/mo for basic subscription
$ 9.95/mo for high definition package (includes equipment)
$ 5.00/mo added to bill in 2004, when free HD TV service expires.

How they call that "free" until 2004," I don't understand. Maybe someone else can figure it out.

http://comcastcolorado.com/ComcastCo...gh_def_tv.html

Doesn't seem like a great deal to me without CBS and ABC in HD.
post #87 of 4033
nu2this

I have a sony GWII (which may or may not be the same set you have) and would like to hook it up the same way you have yours. If you use the tv's remote and tuner to watch standard digital cable how do you switch over and use the 5100's remote and tuner to watch HD channels? Also are you still able to use your guide and favorite channel options on your tv or are they disabled, when it is hooked up this way? Finally did you have to reset any menu settings (pro, vivid, color contrast ect........) when switching between HD channels and analog channels.
post #88 of 4033
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Originally posted by nu2this
Does your Samsung DLP have an "aux in" and a "converter out" jacks? This will bypass the 5100 for regular cable viewing.

Actually, I am using a splitter, with both the DLP and the 5100 getting the split inputs, and the 5100 feeding the DLP via component. Swapping the splitter connections doesn't make a difference. Since the DLP picture is so much better, I wonder if it's just the poor upconversion capability of the 5100. I was hoping to avoid the extra steps of switching between inputs on the DLP - not a real big deal for me, but for others in the house (that's my story and I'm sticking to it ).
post #89 of 4033
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Originally posted by BBYRNE
nu2this

I have a sony GWII (which may or may not be the same set you have) and would like to hook it up the same way you have yours. If you use the tv's remote and tuner to watch standard digital cable how do you switch over and use the 5100's remote and tuner to watch HD channels? Also are you still able to use your guide and favorite channel options on your tv or are they disabled, when it is hooked up this way? Finally did you have to reset any menu settings (pro, vivid, color contrast ect........) when switching between HD channels and analog channels.

Yes I have the GWII. But, I also have a situation like gakon's. Everyone in my house didn't like having to switch back an forth, so my hook-up stayed like this for about 15 minutes. Sorry if I gave the impression that I still used this set-up.

You press "ANT" on the TV's remote control to switch between the channels coming in through the cable box and those coming directly to the TV. It is on page 26 of your GWII manual. If I remember right, the guide works only when you are using the cable box input. But don't quote me on that. I didn't have much time to play with it. You need to have both remotes handy because you change sdtv with the TV remote. Scrambled and hd use the 5100 remote after pressing the "ANT" button.

The advantage (besides a better picture for sdtv) is you could use the twin view feature, channel index, and favorite channel features on you tv (for sdtv and non-scrambled)

I did the UMR does GWII tweaks and leave my settings on pro. If you aren't familiar with these tweaks do a search. I HIGHLY recommend it. It really improved my sdtv pq.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you try this set up and if it improved your sdtv pq. If so, I'll have to try to talk my family into it!
post #90 of 4033
Anybody watch any of NBC's "Las Vegas" on HD? (the game got kind of boring - not that this show was any better, except for Nikki Cox) Maybe it's my DLP, but it sure seemed like there were a lot of jerky transitions, especially during fast motion on the screen. I haven't seen anything like this on any other HD program, and it wasn't evident on the analog cable feed. Of all of the Comcast HD channels, NBC's is by far the worst for me - too red (when all the others appear well balanced) and too much contrast. I thought I had read that all but ESPN are being broadcast in 1080i. Since these other channels look equally good to me (and NBC doesn't), I don't think it's my TV, which is 720p. Changing the 5100 from 720p to 1080i doesn't make a significant difference (letting the DLP do the scaling). Anyone else have similar issues with NBC? Interestingly, Las Vegas is not on NBC's list of HD programs, although it certainly didn't look like SD to me.
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