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post #61 of 215
>>since I will only be using the VGA in?

Do you mean the HD-RGB in? It looks like a normal High-density DB-15 VGA plug on a video card.

The info in the c27v22's manual only shows an EDTV or HDTV set top box connecting to it.

Oh, here's the link to it:

http://www.zenithservice.com/jsp/com...1=206-3808.pdf
post #62 of 215
Quote:
Originally posted by Zombeezy
>>since I will only be using the VGA in?

Do you mean the HD-RGB in? It looks like a normal High-density DB-15 VGA plug on a video card.

The info in the c27v22's manual only shows an EDTV or HDTV set top box connecting to it.

Oh, here's the link to it:

http://www.zenithservice.com/jsp/com...1=206-3808.pdf

Yeah I was just gonna setup a radeon 9200 to run at 1920x1080i and plug it in there. Read somewhere that someone was just using the standard 640x480. The only thing that will be connected to the TV will be my HTPC
post #63 of 215
jamesavery - right, I see now - you've been asking for HTPC. Man, that's a whole other can of worms I hope to delve into sometime (after modding DirecTivo boxes).

You might want to ask in the AVS Forum > Video Processors and HTPC > Home Theater Computers forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...?s=&forumid=26

Not Zenith specific, but what would make a difference in the best res you'll get from the HTPC.

There is so much info there that my eyes are bugging out!
post #64 of 215
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Originally posted by Zombeezy
jamesavery - right, I see now - you've been asking for HTPC. Man, that's a whole other can of worms I hope to delve into sometime (after modding DirecTivo boxes).

You might want to ask in the AVS Forum > Video Processors and HTPC > Home Theater Computers forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...?s=&forumid=26

Not Zenith specific, but what would make a difference in the best res you'll get from the HTPC.

There is so much info there that my eyes are bugging out!
Yeah thats where I already got most of my info =) Basically only ATI cards can do interlaced and you have to tweak em with a program called powerstrip in order to get resolutions like 1920x1080i. But what Im affraid of now is will the c27v22 or 36 force into letterbox when given any 1920x1080i signal??? That would really suck since I have to run fullscreen to use the computer. But the 640x480p runs in fullscreen right? I am just worried about the 1080i signal...

Did you ever figure this out CoryK? So if I plug in my HTPC to the HD15 input having my 9200 output a 1920x1080i signal the c27v22 will force lettebox? Or do you have teh c27v36? Can anyone try this for me?? I am planning on building the HTPC a little while after I get an actual TV.. so I have nothing to bring over to CC and test.... If the only res I can do in fullscreen is 480p I am going to be very sad =( I guess I could just switch it to 1080i when I play DVDs on the HTPC but now digital cable will suck...
post #65 of 215
:( I've got a Radeon 9800, but it's not a Pro. I thought they were Pros in the Dell 8300 (still trying to get 2GB PC3200 DDR400 to work in the darn thing. ) when I bought it. It has TV output, but no tuner, so even if I get the 27v36 in the next couple of days, I can't try it for you. Or wait, I can output a DVD played in the system though, right? Usually I play SVCDs on the computer, but it has a DVD drive as well. Haven't hooked it up to a TV yet, so will have to look into that.

Didn't take the Panasonic TV back to CC yet - too many things going on (no, not stockpiling TP/water/batteries/Baby Ruth bars) but if I do in the next couple of days, it'll probably be the Zenith via the CC warehouse. If I don't like it, I'd return it locally for the Sony Wega xx310 model for the same price. If I get the Sony first, i'd probably just keep it.
post #66 of 215
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Originally posted by Zombeezy
:( I've got a Radeon 9800, but it's not a Pro. I thought they were Pros in the Dell 8300 (still trying to get 2GB PC3200 DDR400 to work in the darn thing. ) when I bought it. It has TV output, but no tuner, so even if I get the 27v36 in the next couple of days, I can't try it for you. Or wait, I can output a DVD played in the system though, right? Usually I play SVCDs on the computer, but it has a DVD drive as well. Haven't hooked it up to a TV yet, so will have to look into that.

Didn't take the Panasonic TV back to CC yet - too many things going on (no, not stockpiling TP/water/batteries/Baby Ruth bars) but if I do in the next couple of days, it'll probably be the Zenith via the CC warehouse. If I don't like it, I'd return it locally for the Sony Wega xx310 model for the same price. If I get the Sony first, i'd probably just keep it.
Yeah any Radeon can do it. Just get powerstrip and use one of the custom settings thats posted as a sticky at the top in the HTPC forums. They have em all setup already for common resolutions like 1920x1080i... Just unplug your computer monitor and plug it right into the TV (or what would be even better would be a dual monitor setup, like have the VGA go to your CRT and DVI go to the c27v36). You dont have to play a DVD or anything. Just see how normal windows looks. Id greatly appreciate it if you could :D Goodluck
post #67 of 215
Bump,
hope all of you fellow NOVA residents are doing ok. Looks like the worst of it was all lastnight. God speed and be safe.
post #68 of 215
Zenith C27V22 allows conversion of 1080i letterbox to full screen but it will appear stretched vertically with slight loss of sharpness associated with LB HD.
post #69 of 215
Isa-bel, my belle.........Trees out everywhere, water cr@p, but we've got power and internet back!
post #70 of 215
Just returned the Panasonic to CC - absolutely no hassle at all. Didn't even want the box, Styrofoam or plastic bag. "We just crush 'em".

The Zenith c27v22 looked awful tonight at CC compared with the Samsung TXN2775HF and the Sony KV27FV310. After I had adjusted all three the best I could, the Samsung and Sony absolutely looked great compared to the other TVs with their default settings. The Samsung really looked nice. The Zenith looked crummy. Then I checked the source - the Sony was right next the Zenith, and both had only a coax input hooked up. The Samsung has some receiver next to it, and it looked like that was the distributor to the other TVs via coax. But, then, I noticed an open box Zenith c27v22 across from the other c27v22, and after I adjusted it, it looked great! It had the same picture showing on the display as the others. I checked the back, and it had only component connections hooked up!. Not a clue how CC does their stuff. The display Zenith, which is supposed to convince others to buy it, looked like it had a bad over-the-air signal. The open-box unit looked great.

I think I will check out buying the c27v36 tonight online. Heading out of town next week, I may have to wait until I get back.
post #71 of 215
I'll try to hook up to my PC when I get my power back. I'm still powerless :( in Vienna.

But don't get your hope too high. All the things I've seen so far tell me it locks up its aspect to 16:9 hard. There's 'ARC' - aspect ratio control - button in remote but it only works for <= S-Video inputs. Not for Comp. cable or DVI.
post #72 of 215
Zombeezy

As I was reading your post the first thing that came to my mind as far as
the Sony and Samsung is "maybe thats the way they want it to look"
Funny when you get to bottom of the problem the things you find out.
The Zenith 27v36 sure looks like a deal, after trying to find out information on a Philip's 32" HD refurb from Electronicsnation.com- Philip's took forever
to get back to me, which does not inspire much faith in the Company. I
am looking at the Zenith. Sorry for all you guys who got hit by Isabel
I hope you get things up and running ASAP
post #73 of 215
Man, that was one tough hit, here in NoVA...the water/rain was worse by far than the wind.
post #74 of 215
So far I couldn't get into service menu trying out all the possible combo I found on the internet :(

It's not something you cannot live with but knowing you have it, it just bothers the heck out of me.

Also, note that the color looks kinda washed out or faded via NTSC or s-video. The same feed from DirecTV via Comp. cable or DVI looks much much better color but you'll stuck with 16:9 screen.

What good are my Avia and DVE DVDs w/o service menu....
post #75 of 215
Did you get a chance to hook your computer up to it CoryK? If so what resolutions are you outputing from the computer? Thanks
post #76 of 215
Sorry, I didn't have time for that yet.

Bear with me my PC is huge and heavy even with aluminum case. It's stealth power supply is so heavy. Has probably not the lightest CPU heat-sink you can find (Thermal Right 100% copper screwed onto MB) in addition to 2 DVD writer & CDRW & 2 HD raid and .. and so forth.. It's not so simple to move this monster from 3rd floor to basement untangling all the cables.. Besides I've connected this thru my Sun sparc server so I need some adjustment on my home network.

BTW, I've checked my video card config at least. and it seems to be able to put out 1080i. I don't know I'll need powerstrip or not though.
post #77 of 215
I tried to connect my PC to 27v36 last night.
Bottom line is I failed to make it work properly via DVI.

Played with it for couple of hours. W/o bringing down my monitor to make it dual display, it almost next to impossible to adjust any setting since it doesn't sync up automatically.

I'll probably read HTPC FAQ and Powerstrip FAQ and so forth. Then, try again later.
post #78 of 215
coryk - man, I'm curious what the heck you need all that stuff for! 2 DVD writers? RAID? Sun sparc server? I thought I was nutso with newsgroup downloads and my 2000 GB plus storage and six computers, but it seems like something is always kaput and needing fixing or moving or updating or reinstalling or or or. Are you into video rips, or you a programmer, or folding, or what? Just curious.

Any which way, I also appreciate your efforts to answer jamesavery22. And sorry to here that none of the codes worked to access the service menu. In one of my posts here I did include the one bit of newsgroup chatter where the fellow said that if you didn't have the service remote for the Zenith, it wasn't going to happen. But it would be nice to have confirmation of that from some repair dude somewhere.
post #79 of 215
Quote:
Originally posted by Zombeezy
coryk - man, I'm curious what the heck you need all that stuff for! 2 DVD writers? RAID? Sun sparc server? I thought I was nutso with newsgroup downloads and my 2000 GB plus storage and six computers, but it seems like something is always kaput and needing fixing or moving or updating or reinstalling or or or. Are you into video rips, or you a programmer, or folding, or what? Just curious.

Any which way, I also appreciate your efforts to answer jamesavery22. And sorry to here that none of the codes worked to access the service menu. In one of my posts here I did include the one bit of newsgroup chatter where the fellow said that if you didn't have the service remote for the Zenith, it wasn't going to happen. But it would be nice to have confirmation of that from some repair dude somewhere.
You'd be amazed on what you can find on ebay :D UltraSparc server

Yeah I too would greatly appreciate it if someone could plug their computer into the DVI input of their c27v36/22 and give it a 1080i signal and see if it forces letterbox or not :D Thanks again.
post #80 of 215
Quote:
Yeah I too would greatly appreciate it if someone could plug their computer into the DVI input of their c27v36/22 and give it a 1080i signal and see if it forces letterbox or not
It does on the v36. Any input from 480p to 1080i on component or DVI forces the set to go into 16:9. The Aspect Ratio feature unfortunately is only good for 480i sources.

I thought someone already posted the v22 can do 1080i 4:3.
post #81 of 215
Quote:
Also, note that the color looks kinda washed out or faded via NTSC or s-video. The same feed from DirecTV via Comp. cable or DVI looks much much better color but you'll stuck with 16:9 screen.
Doesn't this mean ntsc via RF (cable TV) and s-video (sat) is not exactly up to par with a Sony Wega? My Wegas have vibrant color.

Having to get a service remote to get into the service menu is another severe drawback :(
post #82 of 215
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Originally posted by hardwired
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I thought someone already posted the v22 can do 1080i 4:3.
Can anyone confirm this???? I would love it if someone could
post #83 of 215
For color, yes I don't think Zenith v36 is up to par with Sony Wega.

I can adjust the color but the Color from comp. cable & DVI is vibrant so that if I adjust the color for RF & S-video, that will influence the color from Comp. cable & DVI.

Also, this one I have definitely has serious issue with pincushion. Well, it's more than just a pincushion. I'll probably have to adjust individual corner as well as trapeziod to see perfect square or rectangle.

And all the AVIA & DVE DVDs I have are useless since I can't adjust them. As a matter of fact, my frustration level goes up having them find out more & more geo. convergence problem. Things that were OK is not OK any more as I find more details with AVIA & DVE.

Having Panny 50LC13 yesterday where I can see perfect square/rectangular boxes, it makes me consider returning this unit. For the price under $600, it defintely was a good deal and its HD PQ is just amazing. But w/o access to service mode and improper factory setup are just killing me.

As a matter of fact, I like HD PQ on Zenith more than the one from Panny 50LC13 with idential HD source (Samsung 160) - probably due to its smaller screen size.
post #84 of 215
Can you get the v22 into the service menu?
post #85 of 215
Yes. The v22's use the standard Zenith service menu.

Robert
post #86 of 215
Thanks, now I just need to find out if someone knows if the V22 forces 16:9 with a 1080i signal....
post #87 of 215
jamesavery,

"c in LA" posted the following earlier in this thread.

Quote:
Zenith C27V22 allows conversion of 1080i letterbox to full screen but it will appear stretched vertically with slight loss of sharpness associated with LB HD.
I could not seem to engage 4:3 on the 32" version with built-in ATSC tuner at the store. The Panasonic HL43's can do the AR switch from the user menu and the Sony HS510's can do it in the service menu. I've also seen it on some Samsungs in Sears. Not sure about the Toshibas.
post #88 of 215
Quote:
Originally posted by hardwired
jamesavery,

"c in LA" posted the following earlier in this thread.



I could not seem to engage 4:3 on the 32" version with built-in ATSC tuner at the store. The Panasonic HL43's can do the AR switch from the user menu and the Sony HS510's can do it in the service menu. I've also seen it on some Samsungs in Sears. Not sure about the Toshibas.
Well I guess Im back to the drawing board =( Now I have no idea what to get. I need something that will take 1080i or up and display it at 4:3.. else it would be pointless for me to use it with an HTPC
post #89 of 215
Would just using 480p be acceptable? How does that look for DVDs? Since 480p would be my only option for 4:3 I am naturally curious =)
post #90 of 215
For v36, 480p playing DVD looks great. It's 4:3 locked in. 720p & 1080i locked in 16:9.
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