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A friend (damn his extra money!) just got the E80. To ensure he got the right machine, I immediately went to his house, grabbed the remote and spent some quality time dubbing a tape of mine to DVD-R.

Anyway, one thing I found HIGHLY annoying with the E80 was screen navigation. There seemed to be no simple way to jump back to parent screens, they were all kind of modal. Either you used the screen presented (ie, entered info and hit enter), or you cancelled and got dumped out of the menus completely.

This was a PITA, primarily because the screen I last entered before dumping back to no menus was always 2-3 screens below the main menu, and each one required me to re-set my settings for that menu before proceeding.

Furthermore, there seemed to be no way to "cancel" and go back to the main menu screen in some sub-menu (without getting dumped out of menus completely).

I'm not sure if it was just my unfamiliarity with the user interface and what I was trying to accomplish, or if the UI was just really hostile. I will say it definitely made me appreciate the UI of Tivo -- menu navigation is simple, intuitive, and you can hit the Tivo button at any point to go to the main menu.

Anyway, the machine worked great, and I was able to rescue my wedding video from VHS onto a DVD-R which plays just great on my Apex 3-disc DVD player. I even remembered finalizing.

Now if he'd just agree to bring the E80 to my house for a week or two of extended testing he could be sure he bought the right thing...
post #2 of 7
Agree, the Panasonic menu navigation structure and editing user interface is indeed annoying. But it records well and has great features...
post #3 of 7
Panny is trying to be compatible with previous models, dating back to the E20, HS2, etc.

Entering the alphanumeric title of anything (program, playlist, etc.) is a real battle of wits. It is better to type in an entire label without spaces, like THEDECLINEANDFALLOFWESTERNCIVILIZATION, and put these in later. Kids who play video games are experts at minimizing button pushes.
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Originally posted by Ollie W. Holmes
Panny is trying to be compatible with previous models, dating back to the E20, HS2, etc.

Entering the alphanumeric title of anything (program, playlist, etc.) is a real battle of wits. It is better to type in an entire label without spaces, like THEDECLINEANDFALLOFWESTERNCIVILIZATION, and put these in later. Kids who play video games are experts at minimizing button pushes.
That was the other thing I was going to complain about! *Who* dreamed that data entry scheme up? It almost looks like it was laid out for Kanji or something and put into the Roman alphabet as some direct translation. It was super tedious.
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It's tedious, but I prefer it over the Phillips DVDR985. How could it be done better? I wonder how long it will be before it occurs to some manufacturer includes a keyboard interface - the keyboard need not be included, just the ability to plug one in.
post #6 of 7
A scroll option where you scroll thru the alphabet might be easier.
Using the number keypad option for titling is a little easier than the up/down/right/left keys sometimes. Also if these 4 buttons were a ring it would be better than jumping between the 4 up/down/right/left buttons.
Agree the menu structure could be much improved, that's why I was disappointed Sony does not offer as good a machine as the E80. I usually like their ergonomic approaches. I love the E80 despite it's 'challenges'.
post #7 of 7
Scrolling through the alphabet is how Phillips does it - the Panasonic way is much better.
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