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post #10411 of 26117
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Originally Posted by coneyparleg View Post

All I get is commercials for Fios, but no available service.

I get the same
post #10412 of 26117
Is anyone getting the Yanks game in HD right now?
post #10413 of 26117
other tw divisions have less must carry and peg channel requirements than nyc. nyc has over a dozen local off air plus 9-10 public ,government, educational access channels that are required by franchise. those have to be carried in analog and digital which eats up bandwith. also many services such as vod,telephony,start-over, are tested,debugged in smaller markets before rolled out to the "center of the world"

you may have few video options but in half of the twcnyc footprint (single family homes in si,queens,brooklyn) customers have option of twc and 2 satellite companies. in newer mdu's in manhattan, customers have as many as 4 options: twc,rcn,dish,direct tv.

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Originally Posted by coneyparleg View Post

One would think that logic would dictate that Manhattan (center of the capital of the world), might be the place where TWC would want to showcase most of its abilities and HD content. Residents have very little choice in what service they choose (that does not seem to be a fiar market to me) and it pains me to watch commercials for Comcast boasting their "Channel 1 HD PPV" offerings and we in Manhattan (where I can only assume TWC makes tons and tons of money from its man customers) have to beg for espn2 hd.
It amazes me that I can live 20 minutes away from TWC's "Home to the Future" exhibit and be receiving the least amount of HD content compared to neighboring markets.
I would think that to shell out close to $200 bucks a month for cable and internet would show that Manhattan residents do consider TV very much so important and TWC should want to provide us with all they can offer.
Your comments only bolster the image that TWC holds back because its consumers have little other choice, and that saddens me to see a representative of said company to be that abrasive towards its loyal customers.
Again we do appreciate the info you provide us and please continue to do so.
post #10414 of 26117
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Originally Posted by racerboom View Post

Is anyone getting the Yanks game in HD right now?

Yes, it's in HD on YES-HD (708).
post #10415 of 26117
You get that on the DTValue tier right? I don't need HDXtra to get YES-HD?
post #10416 of 26117
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Originally Posted by racerboom View Post

You get that on the DTValue tier right? I don't need HDXtra to get YES-HD?

You don't even need DTValue. Just Digital Starter is fine for YES-HD, SNY-HD and MSG-HD. I think you need DTValue to get FSNY-HD though.
post #10417 of 26117
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Originally Posted by ANGEL 35 View Post

I get the same

Fios in NY area targeting NJ and Long Island, where they have some franchises.
Fios also in NY area without franchises touting TV, but it's actually DirecTV satellite.
Kind of bait-and-switch ... some consumer groups want VZ to become clearer on that little fact ... that a plug-ugly dish may come your way.
post #10418 of 26117
FWIW, the Yanks game is being totally BLACKED OUT here on ESPN HD...nothing but a blank, grey screen on that station. And =this= is what we pay to see?? How STUPID is that, to show absolutely NOTHING?! And rather than show us something of value, like maybe another baseball game, they're just showing some ESPNNEWS nonsense on the "regular" ESPN station....and that's DESPITE the listing on the on screen cable guide of today's Yankee game being on both ESPN and ESPN HD! Doesn't make any sense, yet TWC does crap like this ALL THE TIME. ~Mike
post #10419 of 26117
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Originally Posted by Berk32 View Post

Nobody with TWC has the "real" WWOR-HD yet....

Perhaps when they realize they're sending a SD signal and change it, then mayb you'll see it on the QAM tuner...

And they'll notice it when there's a baseball game scheduled and people call to complain that the baseball game is not in HD!
post #10420 of 26117
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Originally Posted by twcinsider View Post

you may have few video options but in half of the twcnyc footprint (single family homes in si,queens,brooklyn) customers have option of twc and 2 satellite companies. in newer mdu's in manhattan, customers have as many as 4 options: twc,rcn,dish,direct tv.

How many peoples' landlords would allow them to put a DISH or Direct TV dish on the roof? Certainly not mine.......
post #10421 of 26117
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Originally Posted by scott_bernstein View Post

And they'll notice it when there's a baseball game scheduled and people call to complain that the baseball game is not in HD!

And GUARANTEED it won't be in HD. ED *maybe*, if we're "lucky".
post #10422 of 26117
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Originally Posted by scott_bernstein View Post

How many peoples' landlords would allow them to put a DISH or Direct TV dish on the roof? Certainly not mine.......

If i wanted to start a protracted LEGAL battle, i could get my co-op board to allow it, but...i'd have to fight for it.....that's a total pain, financially and otherwise.
post #10423 of 26117
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Originally Posted by mikeM1 View Post

FWIW, the Yanks game is being totally BLACKED OUT here on ESPN HD...nothing but a blank, grey screen on that station. And =this= is what we pay to see?? How STUPID is that, to show absolutely NOTHING?! And rather than show us something of value, like maybe another baseball game, they're just showing some ESPNNEWS nonsense on the "regular" ESPN station....and that's DESPITE the listing on the on screen cable guide of today's Yankee game being on both ESPN and ESPN HD! Doesn't make any sense, yet TWC does crap like this ALL THE TIME. ~Mike

This gripe comes up all of the timeI've whined about it too.

The main issue is with MLB and the right to broadcast a game You cannot expect to see any old game broadcast in your living room without someone paying for itand we are not paying for it. Blame that on MLB and their contracts with the broadcasters.

The only issue to have with TW, regarding today's situation, is that they don't have an accurate program guide. That is the inexcusable issue we have here with TW.
post #10424 of 26117
The sound just cut off on YES-HD, and they switched to the SD feed.

Edit: Yay it's back in HD.
post #10425 of 26117
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

This gripe comes up all of the timeI've whined about it too.

The main issue is with MLB and the right to broadcast a game You cannot expect to see any old game broadcast in your living room without someone paying for itand we are not paying for it. Blame that on MLB and their contracts with the broadcasters.

The only issue to have with TW, regarding today's situation, is that they don't have an accurate program guide. That is the inexcusable issue we have here with TW.

Yes, you make valid points as usual Larry, but...there's just NO excuse for a blank screen on ESPN HD. We =do= pay for programming on that station, not a blank screen, contracts with MLB or no.
post #10426 of 26117
Don't channels like ESPN carry several games at once, just for this situation? Why didn't ESPN HD have an alternate HD game available for blacked-out viewers?

Is the infrastructure to make this possible not there for digital or HD channels as it was for SD/analog channels? As far as I remember, there was no such thing as blackouts in the analog days; you simply got different programming and the game was on a different channel.
post #10427 of 26117
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Originally Posted by Berk32 View Post

Nobody with TWC has the "real" WWOR-HD yet....

Perhaps when they realize they're sending a SD signal and change it, then mayb you'll see it on the QAM tuner...

Are you saying that WWOR is not sending the correct signal, or that TW is fumbling the signal flow?

Sorry to ask but I must have missed something along the way, in between all of the important chatter regarding this new HD channel so graciously given to us during this sacred time of the year. We should be genuflecting before the kind hearted TW empire with gratitude because life is not fair and if we don't like what we see on our tube--we should probably move to Studio City California to a broadcast booth and then we will probably be content.
post #10428 of 26117
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Originally Posted by mikeM1 View Post

..there's just NO excuse for a blank screen on ESPN HD. We =do= pay for programming on that station, not a blank screen, contracts with MLB or no.

Maybe someone else will chime in and explain better than I have. Advertisers pay for commercial time with specific broadcast rights. If ESPN pops up a game from, let's say Seattle, we will be seeing advertising that was paid for exclusively in Seattle. IT's free for us. In other words, we are now a lost revenue viewing audience. MLB and their partners are not going to lose available revenue.

I agree with you 100% that we are getting the shaft but that's the way it is. There should be programming on-- that is specific to blackout situationsespecially since we are paying a premium for the channel.
post #10429 of 26117
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Originally Posted by mikeM1 View Post

FWIW, the Yanks game is being totally BLACKED OUT here on ESPN HD...nothing but a blank, grey screen on that station. And =this= is what we pay to see?? How STUPID is that, to show absolutely NOTHING?! And rather than show us something of value, like maybe another baseball game, they're just showing some ESPNNEWS nonsense on the "regular" ESPN station....and that's DESPITE the listing on the on screen cable guide of today's Yankee game being on both ESPN and ESPN HD! Doesn't make any sense, yet TWC does crap like this ALL THE TIME. ~Mike

It makes a lot of sense. You're in NYC. YES is the local carrier of Yankees games, and is available in HD.
ESPN's MLB coverage of local Mets or Yankees games will always be blacked out in NY, for good reason. That home coverage is always available in HD.
And don't believe channel guides. They're only as good as the info they're given, usually weeks in advance, and it gets into the TW system via another company. Sometimes they're updated and edited. Sometimes not. Thousands of channels to cover, you know. Beats the old 12-14 channels or so in the old TV Guide of 25 years ago.

It's nothing to go to war over.
post #10430 of 26117
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Originally Posted by UnnDunn View Post

The sound just cut off on YES-HD, and they switched to the SD feed.

Edit: Yay it's back in HD.

I saw that too. And i noticed while they were in SD, there wasn't the usual YES graphics or ANY graphic on either side, just thick, black bars. NOT typical for YES on YES HD. I wonder, when THAT happens, is it a TWC screwup?? Or is that coming from YES??

On a related note: this past Saturday's Ericsson Tennis on CBS HD...both Sat and Sun finals...i noticed there were no CBS graphics on both sides of the screen as i watched in (apparently) SD...just the same thick, black bars as on today's screwup on YES. Any chance the tennis WAS available somewhere in HD, and someone at TWC just forgot to throw a switch or something for us??
post #10431 of 26117
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Originally Posted by mikeM1 View Post

On a related note: this past Saturday's Ericsson Tennis on CBS HD...both Sat and Sun finals...i noticed there were no CBS graphics on both sides of the screen as i watched in (apparently) SD...just the same thick, black bars as on today's screwup on YES. Any chance the tennis WAS available somewhere in HD, and someone at TWC just forgot to throw a switch or something for us??

Don't think HD was available from the tennis matches. Didn't look like HD cameras were used weekdays as the source of SD on ESPN2 or The Tennis Channel (455). HD cameras used for both SD/HD delivery can be seen on weekday Golf Channel matches slated for weekend HD coverage, and makes SD much crisper. Got irritated at missing some of the early round Florida tennis matches and started subscribing to the sports package last week ($1.95/mo) that covers tennis, with several other minor sports channels included. Since NYC TWC carries both Versus (formerly Outdoor Life) and The Golf Channel, supposedly the new TGC/Versus HD channel should be available without special negotiations. -- John
post #10432 of 26117
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Originally Posted by John Mason View Post

Don't think HD was available from the tennis matches. Didn't look like HD cameras were used weekdays as the source of SD on ESPN2 or The Tennis Channel (455). HD cameras used for both SD/HD delivery can be seen on weekday Golf Channel matches slated for weekend HD coverage, and makes SD much crisper. Got irritated at missing some of the early round Florida tennis matches and started subscribing to the sports package last week ($1.95/mo) that covers tennis, with several other minor sport channels included. Since NYC TWC carries both Versus (formerly Outdoor Life) and The Golf Channel, supposedly the new TGC/Versus HD channel should be available without special negotiations. -- John

OK John, thanks for the feedback.
post #10433 of 26117
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

Maybe someone else will chime in and explain better than I have. Advertisers pay for commercial time with specific broadcast rights. If ESPN pops up a game from, let's say Seattle, we will be seeing advertising that was paid for exclusively in Seattle. IT's free for us. In other words, we are now a lost revenue viewing audience. MLB and their partners are not going to lose available revenue.

Except that ESPN's deal with MLB is such that other than Sunday night games, any game that ESPN carries is being broadcast everywhere other than the markets for the teams involved in the game. So, ESPN doesn't have baseball broadcasts that are targetted at Seattle. They have broadcasts that are targetted at "everywhere but Seattle."

Now, not having ESPN2HD in time for last night's Mets game, which was an ESPN exclusive broadcast is inexcusable. A TWC CSR told me two years ago that ESPN2HD would DEFINITELY be carried by TWC-NYC in time for the start of the 2005 baseball season. It's been two years, and I was still forced to watch the Mets season opener in SD if I wanted to watch it at home, despite the fact that the game was being broadcast in HD and I have HD cable service from a carrier that promised they would carry the channel.
-JMP
post #10434 of 26117
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Originally Posted by jmp_nyc View Post

Except that ESPN's deal with MLB is such that other than Sunday night games, any game that ESPN carries is being broadcast everywhere other than the markets for the teams involved in the game. So, ESPN doesn't have baseball broadcasts that are targetted at Seattle. They have broadcasts that are targetted at "everywhere but Seattle."

I'm not disagreeing with your statement but I am curious to know why then, as Mike original questioned, we do not get another game instead of a blackout screen? Am I correct in my post, where even though they are not contractually obligated to provide a game, they chose not to as to not interfere with the untapped revenues?
post #10435 of 26117
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Originally Posted by coneyparleg View Post

One would think that logic would dictate that Manhattan (center of the capital of the world), might be the place where TWC would want to showcase most of its abilities and HD content. Residents have very little choice in what service they choose (that does not seem to be a fiar market to me) and it pains me to watch commercials for Comcast boasting their "Channel 1 HD PPV" offerings and we in Manhattan (where I can only assume TWC makes tons and tons of money from its man customers) have to beg for espn2 hd.
It amazes me that I can live 20 minutes away from TWC's "Home to the Future" exhibit and be receiving the least amount of HD content compared to neighboring markets.
I would think that to shell out close to $200 bucks a month for cable and internet would show that Manhattan residents do consider TV very much so important and TWC should want to provide us with all they can offer.
Your comments only bolster the image that TWC holds back because its consumers have little other choice, and that saddens me to see a representative of said company to be that abrasive towards its loyal customers.
Again we do appreciate the info you provide us and please continue to do so.

All great points... Here a couple of more - let's not overlook the fact that NYC has the largest concentration of HD set owners who also happen to be paying the highest rates ($8.95 for an HD Extra Package with only 4 channels) in the country. Of course we should expect more - we are paying for it, aren't we!
post #10436 of 26117
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

I'm not disagreeing with your statement but I am curious to know why then, as Mike original questioned, we do not get another game instead of a blackout screen? Am I correct in my post, where even though they are not contractually obligated to provide a game, they chose not to as to not interfere with the untapped revenues?

Simple. There was no other game to show.

For games that fall under the national broadcast contracts (ESPN Sunday night and Fox Saturday afternoon), the network sets the game's start time. For all other games, the local team sets the start time, often in conjunction with their own broadcast partners. ESPN often provides national broadcasts of games all day on opening day on both ESPN and ESPN2, but they're at the mercy of the home teams as to when those games start. Today, the Yankee game was the only 1pm start, while there was one 2pm game (broadcast on ESPN2) and three 3pm games. ESPN doesn't have standing to force the teams to reschedule their games, since ESPN negotiates with the league, not the teams.

It sucks if you want to be able to tune into ESPN-HD and see a game, no matter what game it is, but in this particular case TWC was carrying every single MLB game that started at 1pm in HD, just on YES-HD rather than ESPN. Last night was another story altogether, since there was one game in all of baseball which was being broadcast in HD on ESPN2HD, which we don't get despite repeated promises from TWC.
-JMP
post #10437 of 26117
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Originally Posted by jmp_nyc View Post

Simple. There was no other game to show.

For games that fall under the national broadcast contracts (ESPN Sunday night and Fox Saturday afternoon), the network sets the game's start time. For all other games, the local team sets the start time, often in conjunction with their own broadcast partners. ESPN often provides national broadcasts of games all day on opening day on both ESPN and ESPN2, but they're at the mercy of the home teams as to when those games start. Today, the Yankee game was the only 1pm start, while there was one 2pm game (broadcast on ESPN2) and three 3pm games. ESPN doesn't have standing to force the teams to reschedule their games, since ESPN negotiates with the league, not the teams.

It sucks if you want to be able to tune into ESPN-HD and see a game, no matter what game it is, but in this particular case TWC was carrying every single MLB game that started at 1pm in HD, just on YES-HD rather than ESPN. Last night was another story altogether, since there was one game in all of baseball which was being broadcast in HD on ESPN2HD, which we don't get despite repeated promises from TWC.
-JMP

And what would ESPN have showed, in the event the Yankee game had been rained out or delayed?? There used to always be a backup game.
post #10438 of 26117
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Originally Posted by mikeM1 View Post

And what would ESPN have showed, in the event the Yankee game had been rained out or delayed?? There used to always be a backup game.


On regular weeknight 7pm games - there is usually a backup/regional game (or they do "live look-ins") - but even then they can only do 1 HD game at a time.

But today they had their production crew spread all over the country doing 5 separate games.... no way to do a 2nd game.
post #10439 of 26117
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Originally Posted by Alowe View Post

Anyone else having this issue???

Since last Tuesday, Channel 705 (FOX-HD) has been coming out at 480i, not 1080i and no DD. Every show is in 4:3 480i, and no DD. I called TWC this afternoon because Nascar looked the same on SD Fox as on HD FOX. They told me that Fox is sending them the feed at 480i and there must be an issue with FOX, and that I should call them and let them know of the issue. I cannot believe this, that I am the only on in the area that watches 24, Nascar, Bones, House, American Idol. That nobody else has contacted TWC to complain of this issue. Anyone else in the area getting 1080i on this channel? All other HD channels are perfect, just this one.

Andy

Fox-HD is still on the cable in the Hudson Valley on channel 107-2 if using a QAM tuner. Fox -SD is on 88-4 using QAM. Using the cable box, 705 is 480i. This looks like TWC is mapping the wrong frequency for 705. In diagnostic mode 705 is frequency 609 program 4, it should be frequency 693 program 2.
Ron
post #10440 of 26117
So couldn't they put something on? More SportsCenter reruns, perhaps? Some sort of Baseball GameDay show?
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