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post #31 of 66
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir Alock
"Sante" I think you're the one who needs to mello out, not Freddy. Just drop the Samsung HD-931 bashing. I think WE ALL know you have made your point. It's time for you to find another topic to jump into.
Amen. I have almost stopped reading the DVD Players forum because of this silly crusade.

E. J.
post #32 of 66
Sante,

The difference is that YOU DO NOT HAVE A 931. People express their PERSONAL experience with a product here, most of the time. I think what is bothering some of us is that you have become some sort of clearing house for everything ever said negatively about the 931, as opposed to just relating your own personal experience. That is what the difference between those of us that are frustrated by D1 lock-ups.

PS Vinc just emailed me about getting a new unit from them. No new loaders, but they think they have it fixed. They were very shaddy about paying shipping both ways though. I think they were confused with what I was asking. The $179.00 through AVS is NON-REFUNDABLE they said, but they will "work with me" (whatevr that means).
post #33 of 66
Quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Joe F
Sante,

The difference is that YOU DO NOT HAVE A 931.
He did buy both in April and May and returned the 931 for the reasons he has stated - exclusive of the fact that it won't pass below-black.
post #34 of 66
I've only had one lockup on my D1 but it has developed a new bug.

The lcd display on the player goes off on its own. I need to power off then turn on the player in order for it to display correctly.
post #35 of 66
The Samsung is not delivering all 8-bits of video, closer to 7.5 bits. Their HD STB does the same thing, though I have seen a fixed version.
post #36 of 66
Just for the record, I did own both, did the extensive shootout with both and sold the 931 after.

And to make the couple of you happy, I will not say another flippin' word about the 931.
post #37 of 66
Quote:
Originally posted by santellavision
Just for the record, I did own both, did the extensive shootout with both and sold the 931 after.
What is the link for that report?
post #38 of 66
post #39 of 66
Quote:
Originally posted by sspears
The Samsung is not delivering all 8-bits of video, closer to 7.5 bits. Their HD STB does the same thing, though I have seen a fixed version.
How does something deliver half of a bit?
post #40 of 66
When you clip at level 16 and level 235, you are not delivering all 8-bits. The Samung clips at 16 and 235 and then scales 16 down to 0 and 235 up to 255.
post #41 of 66
After reading all the post for Bravo and Samsung, I went with the Denon 1600

It does not have anything wrong and the picture is the best for Componet video.

I cant risk having a DVD not play in the middle of a show, the rest of the family would make me take it back (they dont care about color, just that it works).

Also the pluge pure black issue would drive me nuts just knowing its there now.

So Denon 1600 is it.

Thanks for all of your help.
post #42 of 66
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir Alock

I've been looking @ the Samsung HD-931 DVD player posts for a while now. I'm going to pull the trigger by December. My thinking is that the firmware updates should be squared away by then considering I'll buy this unit from a CC or BB retail store.
I'm new to this forum but am considering the HD-931.

Q1: Are there any firmware updates out/planned for this player? If so, what do they fix?

The 'issues' I have gathered about this player are:

1. Won't pass pluge (which I infer means no true black).

2. Can't scale 4:3 disc to use all vertical screen real estate when viewed on a DVI equiped widescreen (like Samsung DLP, which I've ordered).

3. Some people do not like the edge enhancement, and you can't turn it off.

4. Remote IR xmitter is weak.

Q2: Anyone care to speculate whether 1., 2., or 3. are even fixable by firmware?

Issues I've gathered on the Bravo D1 are:

1. Some people have experienced lockups. (My old Sony player does this and I'm really quite sick of it).

2. De-interlacing of non-film source is inferior to the 931 (read this in Widescreen Review magazine). I don't recall the technical reasons, article is not at my finger tips.

Sooke
post #43 of 66
Oh! Thought of another question: Has anyone found a service or 'secret' menu on the HD931? If so, maybe the edge enhancement could be turned off.

Just a thought.

Sooke
post #44 of 66
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by sooke
Oh! Thought of another question: Has anyone found a service or 'secret' menu on the HD931? If so, maybe the edge enhancement could be turned off.

Just a thought.

Sooke
Good Idea! Anybody know?
post #45 of 66
Does anyone know how to check the firmware rev on the 931?
post #46 of 66
Here are some positive things about the Samsung HD931 with the firmware upgrades;

1.remote works as well as others.(leave the plastic on the front.without it the mirror finish reflects the beam)

2.component 480p passes pluge and blows away any player I have seen, including my panny 62 with farajouda.

3.The layer change is so fast it is non existent.

4.never had a lockup

5. chroma,video levels etc.are about as good as it gets.

6. no chroma bug!
post #47 of 66
And something I forgot:

No edge enhancement thru component.

There seems to be a different look thru DVI but no extreme edge enhancement. TURN YOU SHARPNESS DOWN!
post #48 of 66
Thread Starter 
Well, I just ordered a D1-we'll see how it stacks up to my 931
post #49 of 66
Sooke: Since you're considering the Samsung DVD-HD931, I thought I'd offer my opinion of it:

Connected to Samsung HLN-617W via DVI with 720p output from the player, it delivers what I consider the best image quality of any DVD player I have ever seen. I've calibrated with Video Essentials; I've noticed no adverse PQ issues due to edge enhancement or "non-pluge-passin' black level." I've set sharpness way down since I first started calibrating my monitors in 1997 with VE, so the edge enhancement issue seems unimportant. As for black level, I'm very pleased with the contrast.

The matter about aspect ratio is an interesting one. I watched 4:3 content for the first time on this player last night, and I wondered why it filled the 16:9 screen. All three options I could find yielded the same result. I prefer to see movies or video productions in their original aspect ratio and without alteration of pixel shape, so I'm going to pursue a solution to this issue. (I haven't started the search on AVS Forum -- anyone have a lead for me?)
post #50 of 66
steviec,

Thanks for the info!

IAM4UK,

Thanks for your assessment.

As for the 4:3 issue, I've read many posts about it on this forum and the RPTV forum; never found a solution. I'm planning to use either S-video or component 1 on the SAMMY for 4:3 movies. I'll compare which one has best PQ. A bit of a hassle, but I'm discovering that there never seems to be an obviously best solution for any HDTV/DVD need. Always compromises to make at this point in the tech's development.

Ofcourse, the HD931 is just a stop gap solution until true HD DVDs come out (2-4 years?).

Sooke
post #51 of 66
Oh. IAM4UK,

I read in some other thread that you can tell if your 931 has 'the latest' firmware by checking to see if you have a display option (A and B) for the DVI connection.

Problem is, latest as of when? I've never seen a firmware version number posted anywhere or a way to access it.

Not much help I'm afraid.

Sooke
post #52 of 66
Quote:
Originally posted by sooke
Oh. IAM4UK,

I read in some other thread that you can tell if your 931 has 'the latest' firmware by checking to see if you have a display option (A and B) for the DVI connection.

Problem is, latest as of when? I've never seen a firmware version number posted anywhere or a way to access it.

Not much help I'm afraid.

Sooke
I seem to remember a post few months back saying that if the player is manufactured on or after June xx, 2003, then it has the fixed firmware. Sorry, don't remember the exact date, but I think it is June.
post #53 of 66
Have any of you had problems getting Video Essentials' menus to work properly with the 931? I have to do all sorts of "fancy footwork" to get to the various test patterns. On my JVC the "top menu" came right up, that's the, I'll call it the "short cut" menu with the blue bars, as opposed to the
menu with the 9 options.
post #54 of 66
I'm just curious if it make sense to buy a HD931 to use the DVI output with a RPTV? My thought is you are not going to see a significant increase in PQ going from a good progressive dvd player connected via component inputs to a HD931 via DVI on a RPTV. It seems that digital displays benefit from the DVI connection. Anyone have any thoughts?
post #55 of 66
I have my 931 connected to my RPTV, an Hitachi 57xwx20b, via the DVI, and I do notice enough of a difference to have made the purchace worth it.
I fully expected to prefer the 720p output, but I find I like the 1080i better, by just a hair. The picture looks a bit smoother and more film like. I would have associated the progressive mode as giving a smoother picture, but, whatever. My only complaint is that my 931 shifts the entire image to the right about 2 inches. When titles/credits come up that I know should be centered, I can tell that they are shifted. I haven't tried the component outputs yet to see if it is shifted there as well. I'm hoping Samsung will have some sort of firmware update disc that will fix it. So far, no response when I email them at their website about it. I have no doubt, tho, that the p.q. would be higher with a plasma, lcd, or dlp display.
post #56 of 66
Uh, Rob1956, re-read through this thread, WSR's Greg Rogers explains why it is doing this. Also, take a look at the last page on the Zenith 520 problems thread, as it will be more descriptive about the A and B (plus other) DVI modes.
post #57 of 66
Thread Starter 
Quote:
I fully expected to prefer the 720p output, but I find I like the 1080i better, by just a hair
Thats because that set will pass through 1080i & 540p. 720p is either upconverted to 1080i or downcoverted to 540p by the TV
post #58 of 66
FreddyW:

Ok..ok... ding ding... let the fight be over.

I kinda' agree with both of you guys. - I like the fact that FreddyW is bringing it down to "Average Joe" level... cuz all these discussions of PLUGE and +/- 1-3% is giving me a headache. But I also appreciate Sante's attempt at highlighting a possible (albeit minimal) design issue in the DVD931. With that said..........

I just got the 931 as well.. hooked it up to my Samsung DLP 50" TV with the DVI cable... and it looks great. Period. End of story. Now... granted,... I upgraded from a non-progressive scan RCA 2000 model... so I had a nice gap to jump... but that said,... it STILL LOOKED great!!

:D

So... can I ask a favor for all posting on this and/or any subject??? For those of us that are not as proficient with all the Techno Garble (like me.. who is new to this forum), please change a sentence into "Average Joe" before posting. For example: Saying that a DVD Player will not convert PLUGE does not help Average Joe. Saying that a DVD Player will not convert all the spectrum of colors and your picture will not be 100% perfect. <---- the latter is english,.. the former is confusion.

Thanks very much,....

Pickledude.
post #59 of 66
PLUGE doesn't really have anything to do with the spectrum of colors. It stands for Picture Line Up Generation Equipment and it helps in setting the light intensity of an image (aka the black level). There are different patterns that contain the PLUGE signal in various calibration discs, but they all perform a similar task.

Click on the link below to a glossary of terms that will help you learn about many of the topics discussed in this and many other areas of AVS Forum. They were assembled by a Not So Average Joe.

http://www.videoessentials.com/glossary.htm
post #60 of 66
It is like audio dynamic range.In audio,20hz. to 20khz. is good.The video range on the 931 equates to about 40hz. to 12khz in the audio range.
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