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post #61 of 918
has anyone had experience with the Misty Grey with the sharp dt-200 dlp projector..

also, when picking out a color to paint a wall, what are some key things to look for?
thanks
post #62 of 918
Joe,
From what CMRA says ...give the Grey a try and if you don't like it return it. Home depot is great at returns....From reading many posts...the grayish colors seems to bring out the blacks better....and give a sharper image overall. This may not be true for all projectors though.
I had a demo of a Sharp Z90U(same as the DT200 except for throw distance) and I had the picture just thrown on the white wall in our basement and I thought it looked great just on the wall. I am sure with tweakinng and other colors it may even look better. Your best bet is to find maybe 3 different colors and paint your wall 3 stripes 30" wide and do a comparison. That is what I will do once I decide on a projector which looks like it will be the Sanyo Z1.
post #63 of 918
Went to home depot today and got a quart of misty evening. Is it my imagination or does the paint chart have a bluish tint to it? I didn't notice it after I had painted my strip, but the chart sure has a blue tint to it compared to some of the other samples.
post #64 of 918
Yeah I noticed that on the sample strip as well... I even held that tiny thing up to my wall and thought it gave the colors a bit of a bluish cast... so you're saying the real paint doesn't have this tint? I haven't bought any of the paint yet.
post #65 of 918
I am not going to paint a wall as the finished basement is wall papered. Does it seem a better solution to paint blackout material, or the Do-able board? I have not seen either of these materials and understand the doable is only on the west coast. Anyone know the answer to that??

Jeff
post #66 of 918
Does anyone know the UPC code for this product at Home Depot? My HD has never heard of it; the on line store has no idea. Is there any other source for this product? Thanks

Jeff
post #67 of 918
Thanks for teh advice cburbs. if you don't mind me asking, when you demoed the Z90U what did you think of the picture quality and how big of an image did you throw. I am seriously considering buying one of these puppies, but I am hesitant about the 800 x 600. Just to give you an idea of what i will be setting up I have an 13*15 living room... will be throwing it roughly 14feet to a wall and i have found that the image is supposed to be about 100" diagonal. the room has little to no ambient light. I will be playing video games (x box), dvd's, and watching movies. in your opinion, how did you feel about the picture clarity and look
thanks
post #68 of 918
After watching a few things on my sample I can tell it has a blue tint to it. Very slight, but it's there none the less. It improves blacks and does enhance some colors, but I don't like what it does to the skin tones. I did like the screen better than the nd filter I was using. I did all of my observations with the nd filter off.
I picked up more samples and noticed one called "tears of joy" it looks more like a neutral gray, I may give that a try.
post #69 of 918
Thread Starter 
Yes indeed, misty evening DOES have a slight blue tint to it. That very well may be why it stands out from the other greys. It may also be why it masks SDE so well. And, like other greys, it does a good job of enhancing blacks and shadow details.
Will it work as well on your setup as it does on mine? My pj is a Sanyo Z1 LCD. I pesonally have tried other greys, and silver fabrics for that matter. Every grey other than the 'Misty' crushed the whites. The darker the grey the more dingy the whites looked.
With my setup I can get flesh tones spot on, but I have to work at it. The Z1 is not plug and play perfect. It can however be outright stunning if you are willing to put some effort into it.
To sum up 'Misty Evening' ( assuming you project via a Z1 or perhaps a similar LCD pj): If you like enhanced blacks and more shawdow detail, if you like reduced 'screen door effect', if you like better reflection control than white matte offers, and if you like a more 3D looking image this too is a solution for you. I have yet to find its equal.
post #70 of 918
CMRA, just out of curiosity, what effort did you put into your Z1 to make flesh tones spot on?

I tried a Kodak Gray card (15 percent gray) and it did improve blacks, but it also darkened everything else as well. Isn't that the trade off with gray? Blacks improve but everything else suffers...
post #71 of 918
Quote:


The secret is out

Sorry

I project with a Panasonic l300u.

Since raising the color temperature gives a blue cast to everything and makes the white's whiter. Maybe the blue tint in the paint is what's keeping the white's white?

Just a thought.

I haven't tried any other gray paints yet, so I don't have anything to compare it to other than the plain blackout cloth. I'd really like to try and do the ddog mixture, but I have my doubts on whether I could pull that off.

CMRA, I hope you didn't take offense to my post. I was just surprised when I realized it had a blue tint. I had always assumed it was just a light neutral gray.
post #72 of 918
I too noticed the blue tint on the color chart at HD when i was buying it. I thought it couldn't be right. After painting my Do-able board it was initially a little dark and had a slight blue tint. Now that it has been 6 days since i painted it it has lightened up and now looks to be just a few shades darker than white. It is a real lite shade of gray.

I have not had the chance to watch anything on it yet to see how it looks since my dvd player died, i am in the process of trying to decide on a new one hehe.
post #73 of 918
Thread Starter 
Getting the flesh tones right. First thing to do is toss that 18% grey card from Kodak. I have one and it's way too small and way too to dark. You'll crush ALL your whites. Can you imagine going to a cinema and viewing a movie on something that dark?
Trust your eyes. Calibration and diagnostic discs can be helpful and often get you close but are no match to a trained eye. They certainly are not capable of dealing with every projector-screen-room combo out there.
Play each DVD, go to several bright daylight scenes on each one. Start with contrast and gamma adjustments. After you have adjusted for brilliance and got the 'snap', adjust for color saturation. Fine tune with tint, and red-green-blue adjustments. Finally, write down your adjustments on a 3x5 card and store it with the DVD. (You'll notice every DVD will have its own best settings). When you wish to view the DVD again adjust your Z1 accordingly and enjoy.
post #74 of 918
I wonder how well this Glidden 'misty evening' would work with my Infocus X1?
post #75 of 918
Thanks for the detailed response, CMRA!
post #76 of 918
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by James W. Johnson
I wonder how well this Glidden 'misty evening' would work with my Infocus X1?

I'd love to know also. It's a dirt cheap solution. How about giving it a try and report your results to all the forum members? You'd be the first and your contribution would be greatly appreciated.
post #77 of 918
Am also curious how this will work with my TW100 Epson. Unfortunately cannot seem to find the DOable board which sounds like a great surface to paint. Would love to try it versus the money for an HCCV.

Jeff
post #78 of 918
Thread Starter 
Your Epson should be a solid match as it also is LCD. Any hardboard, luan, or wall will do if properly primed before hand.
post #79 of 918
CMRA & others,

This thread has convinced me to try the "misty evening" paint, even though I was skeptical about it due to the blue tint. In any case it's only paint, and if I don't like it, I'll paint over it.

I'm now at a point where I can start getting everything set up in the theater room. I will be using a sheet of drywall as the screen, just attaching it to the existing wall. Right now, I'm planning on priming & painting the entire 4x8 sheet of drywall, then cutting it to size while leaving room for a border.

Ken
post #80 of 918
Quote:


Originally posted by CMRA
I'd love to know also. It's a dirt cheap solution. How about giving it a try and report your results to all the forum members? You'd be the first and your contribution would be greatly appreciated.


You got it, I will buy some today and paint it on my 72" DIY screen that is currently an eggshell white.

I'll post my results this weekend or so as well as provide some pics.

What is the smallest container of this paint that I can purchase? Home Depot carries it correct?
post #81 of 918
Thread Starter 
Quote:


Originally posted by James W. Johnson
You got it, I will buy some today and paint it on my 72" DIY screen that is currently an eggshell white.

I'll post my results this weekend or so as well as provide some pics.

What is the smallest container of this paint that I can purchase? Home Depot carries it correct?

A quart, I believe. Make sure you prime your surface first to insure a smooth even finish. HDepot...of course. Best wishes.
post #82 of 918
A quart is what i used and it was just enough, i did 3 coats on a 6' x 4' Do-able board. I painted the finished side but did'nt prime it. I am very happy with the results.
post #83 of 918
Can someone post the paint code off the top of the can? My HD could not help with just the name of the paint.


Peace Out~
post #84 of 918
This may not be an accurate comparison since I was using settings for a matte white screen and did not make adjustments for the misty grey screen.. Contrast and Brightness was set a little higher than normal(35) so that the grey side would not appear too dark..Overall the difference didn't seem too dramatic..The grey had increased dark levels and "muted" bright white scenes, The matte white side had added more detail and color..

Sanyo PLV-Z1
HTPC 1:1 Pixelmapping
Contrast/Brightness 35
Red/Blue/Green 32
Sharpness 8
Gamma 8









post #85 of 918
Ouch glad I saw this before I went to Home depot tonight, I was going to pick up a can of the Misty evening. It seems to darken the light sceens too much for my liking
post #86 of 918
Thread Starter 
Excellent. Now all you have to do is adjust your settings to compensate going from white to grey. Ideally, post your favorite DVDs and I'll give you my settings (assuming I have the same ones in my library).
My adjustment method is prior posted on this same thread in a post to Gray Davis. Also, were you able to compare the SDE?
post #87 of 918
Screen Door was definately minimized, however screendoor wasn't never too much of a problem on the matte white IMHO.. I will calibrate the grey side to AVIA and take some more shots.. My dvd collection can be found here
post #88 of 918
Thread Starter 
I'm on it. And thanks for all your effort. BTW, you mentioned you were viewing via HTPC with 1:1 pixel mapping. Would you mind sharing your setup/equipment information with fellow forum readers?
post #89 of 918
My HTPC consists of pretty much the basics AMD XP 1800,Radeon 9000 Pro,MyHD MDP-100,FlyVideo 2000,XCapture,PowerDVD 2.55, Logitch Z-360 5.1 Surround Sound,prolly some other stuff I forgot about in there..

But anyway, it seemed to me the biggest difference between the matte white and misty grey was brightness levels between the two..the color levels were pretty darn close to each other, so I decided to do some multiple shots of the same scene while varying the brightness levels on the Z1..heres what I came up with...






post #90 of 918
Great effort, taking the pics and going through the hassle of uploading and posting them is not simple nor all that quick. The best way to compare! Thank you for ALL your efforts on behalf of all the forum members!

Chris
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