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post #211 of 4127
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Originally Posted by Coach Gibbs View Post

What happened to the VPT PBS HD Channel 24-5? Blank screen for me and now they are multicasting on the 21-2, 21-3, and 21-4 channels. Would figure I'd gain one HD channel(WNNE) and then lose another.

Coach,
Not sure. I know a few times in the past year I've had 24-5 go blank too but it did still show a full signal reading - just no pic or sound. One time it lasted almost a week.

I got the following email today from VTPBS and it may have something to do with what's happening.


Greetings, Digital Viewers and Friends,

Just want to let you know that new FCC policy requires TV stations to
identify their digital channels with the same numbers as their analog
channels. VPT will make these changes Sept. 20:

Ascutney's WVTA Digital ch-24 will show up as ch-41 on digital set top
boxes.
Rutland's WVER Digital ch-9 will show up as ch-28 on digital set top
boxes.

If you have any technical questions, please get in touch with Rob
Belle-Isle (rob@vpt.org).

Thanks for watching, and if you're not receiving our monthly guide (analog
programs only so far), just let me know where to mail it, and I'll sign
you up for a complimentary year's membership.

Best,

Ann Curran
Community Relations Director
Vermont Public Television (PBS)
204 Ethan Allen Ave.
Colchester, VT 05446
(802) 655-8059
1-800-639-7811 ext. 8059
acurran@vpt.org
post #212 of 4127
Well, makes sense as to why my hd-dvr has been picking up 41-3, 41-4 and 41-5 lately. None of them are the HD channel though. Looks like it might be down till they make the switchover complete.
post #213 of 4127
Why is the FCC requiring stations to ID themselves by their analog channel? If they were smart, they would require stations to identify themselves by the channel they have elected to keep after the transition.

For instance, if there's a channel 10 analog that broadcasts on digital channel 59, they should still identify themselves as 10, since that is the channel they will return to. If there is an analog channel 57 that broadcasts digitally on channel 38, they should be identified as channel 38, not 57!
post #214 of 4127
Well I'm sure everyone here has the same problem, can't get enuff HD, if any at all. Be it thru sat, cable or OTA. I'm tired of the run around, I'm tired of the wait, I'm just plain tired. Can't get local networks in HD from E*, don't want Adelphia, can't get any HD networks OTA. I guess those of us who live in rural areas are just plain screwed.

On the bright side while goofing around a few days ago, I decided to hook up a single rabbit ear antenna to my Dishnet 811, did a scan and it pulled up our local PBS-HD!!! I was floored.

Thought about putting up a huge antenna & shooting it towards the Albany area (my only fairly clear lines of site...SW, W, NW, NE ) to see what I could pick up in the way of HD, but the $250+ experiment would probably piss off the little lady...who then would end up killing me! When & if Mt. Mansfield ever gets things up and running, my chances up picking up the OTA signal are about as good as my getting all the major networks in HD by the end of today!

Why dosn't someone stick a friggin tower up on top of Killington that could cover the central portion of Vermont and then some!!!

I'm tired. I want my HD, and I want it NOW!!!
post #215 of 4127
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Originally Posted by DeerHunter View Post

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On the bright side while goofing around a few days ago, I decided to hook up a single rabbit ear antenna to my Dishnet 811, did a scan and it pulled up our local PBS-HD!!! I was floored.

Where are you picking it up from ? If it's from Mt Ascutney then you should also be able to get WNNE-DT because they have an even stronger signal.
post #216 of 4127
With the Pats big opener tonight just though I'd check if many (any) people in Vt are receiving any ABC digital stations like maybe WMTW or WMUR ?

With my Dish 811 I used to almost pick up WMUR on 59. I'd get a steady 49% signal reading with occasional spikes as high as mid 60s. Even got a lock for a few seconds a couple of times. Now that I've got a 942 and it doesn't pick up any of it.

Just looking for any possible way to get the game in HD OTA but probably not a chance.
post #217 of 4127
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Originally Posted by waltinvt View Post

Where are you picking it up from ? If it's from Mt Ascutney then you should also be able to get WNNE-DT because they have an even stronger signal.

The VPT channels are coming in as 9-1, 9-2, 9-3, 9-4, and 9-5 which is the HD. I think they're coming off of Grandpa's Knob, just west of Proctor. I need a better antenna though as I can't get a consistent lock.

Here's the article I found.

http://www.vpt.org/about/digitalRutland.html

Here's what's avail OTA in the Albany area:
Current H/DTV Channels Available in Albany/Schenectady/Troy-NY DMA:

Over The Air (OTA)-
6-1/39 WRGB-DT (CBS), Albany, NY 1080i
6-2/39 WRGB-DT (UPN), WNYA Albany, NY 480i
6-3/39 WRGB-DT (24/7 Doppler Radar), Albany, NY 480i
10-1/26 WTEN-DT (ABC), Albany, NY 720p
10-2/26 WTEN-DT (24/7 Local Weather), Albany, NY 480i
13-1/12 WNYT-DT (NBC), Albany, NY 1080i
13-2/12 WNYT-DT (NBC), Albany, NY 480i
17-1/34 WMHT-DT (PBS), Albany, NY 480i
17-3/34 WMHT-DT (PBS|HD), Albany, NY 1080i
19-1/36 WCDC-DT (ABC), N. Adams, MA 720p
19-2/36 WCDC-DT (24/7 Local Weather), N. Adams, MA 480i
45-1/43 WEWB-DT (WB), Albany, NY 1080i
55-1/50 WYPX-DT (PAX), Amsterdam, NY 480i
55-2/50 WYPX-DT (PaxWest), Amsterdam, NY 480i
55-3/50 WYPX-DT (Worship), Amsterdam, NY 480i
55-4/50 WYPX-DT (Faith), Amsterdam, NY 480i

Still awaiting activation:
23-1/7 WXXA-DT (FOX) - est. Oct 2005
post #218 of 4127
Thread Starter 
Here is what i got from channel 22 yesterday!


Thank you for the email.* Our DTV plan has made it through the permit stage
and our building expansion and new tower installation is under way.* The
construction started a few months on Mount Mansfield.* Due to the short
construction season on Mount Mansfield, this project will take at least two
summers to complete.* After it is completed, we will get our transmitter
installed and on the air as soon as possible.* We are likely 14 to 20 months
away from broadcasting in high definition.* All the Burlington stations are
working together on this.* We believe our DTV signal will cover an area
similar to the area we cover with channel 22.

Thanks for the email,


Ken Kasz
Director of Broadcast Operations
WVNY ABC22
post #219 of 4127
14 to 20 months??? BETTER MAKE IT 12!!!

Also, I find WVNY so arrogant, thinking that their DT-13 signal will cover the same area as their TV-22 signal. Not only is 10kw laughably inadequate compared to the 1000kw they currently use (I know VHF can potentially travel farther than UHF but there are limits ), they might also suffer adjacent-channel interference from CFCF-TV 12 in Montreal and, even worse, co-channel interference from CJOH-TV 13 in Ottawa and CKTM-TV 13 in Trois-Rivieres. As a result, WVNY will likely go from the most easily-receivable station in the region to the most difficult one.

WVNY seems to only be interested in saving on their electrical costs, counting only on cable carriage and faulty engineering estimates to calculate their viewership.

On the bright side, the manager of WCAX has confirmed to me that they have obtained WVNY's old channel 22 allocation to use for WCAX-DT post-transition. This eliminates the problem they had of having two "out-of-core" allocations (03, 53).
post #220 of 4127
Thread Starter 
What is the post-transition allocation? Wil this means that the channels will change again in the future?




Foxfan wrote:

On the bright side, the manager of WCAX has confirmed to me that they have obtained WVNY's old channel 22 allocation to use for WCAX-DT post-transition. This eliminates the problem they had of having two "out-of-core" allocations (03, 53).
post #221 of 4127
In February of last year, all stations were required to select which channel they intend to stay on after the transition. Some had no choice since no stations will be allowed to broadcast above channel 51 after the transition, and no one would want to broadcast below channel 7 because no one would be able to watch it with all the interference. Therefore, they had to wait for the other stations to make their choices, which cleared up a number of channels that they could now choose from.

In the area, only WCAX will be changing (from 53 to 22). Most others will stay on their currently assigned digital channels (WVNY-13, WPTZ-14, WFFF-43, WCFE-38).
post #222 of 4127
Thread Starter 
Vermont PBS has updated their web site. They have pictures posted of the constructiion on Mt-mansfield.

www.vpt.org
post #223 of 4127
Although WPTZ is grouped into that "cozy" little coalition in Burlington and their station manager has been less than forthcoming, their sister station, WNNE-DT down my end of the state has really been on the ball.

I've been getting some great NBC HD for a few weeks now. Although they've had their glitches along the way, I have to say, my correspondence with their engineering team has been exceptional. They've answered all my emails and phone calls with honest, straight answers; kept me informed along the way; and even thanked me for being involved.

Sure it took them longer than they antisipated to get a good solid digital signal up but the wait was a lot easier to take because they were honest and forthcoming with me about the progress AND the setbacks. That makes a big difference to a viewer and those other stations could learn a good lesson from this.

WaltinVt
post #224 of 4127
Walt or anyone with WNNE-DT, does anyone have a signal at all? Think it's been down most of the day though I'm not for sure on that. Hopefully they'll get it fixed for tonight.
post #225 of 4127
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Originally Posted by Coach Gibbs View Post

Walt or anyone with WNNE-DT, does anyone have a signal at all? Think it's been down most of the day though I'm not for sure on that. Hopefully they'll get it fixed for tonight.

Coach,
I flipped over to it last night a few times but never saw it come back. I didn't check this am and I'm not at my TV right now - is it back on yet ? If it isn't, let me know and I'll get an email out to their engineer.
Walt
post #226 of 4127
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Originally Posted by waltinvt View Post

Coach,
I flipped over to it last night a few times but never saw it come back. I didn't check this am and I'm not at my TV right now - is it back on yet ? If it isn't, let me know and I'll get an email out to their engineer.
Walt


It hasn't come back yet, still searching for signal. Let me/us know what you find out, thanks.
post #227 of 4127
I've been lurking on this forum for quite awhile and, like the rest of you, have been patiently waiting for DTV's arrival in Chittenden county.

I just got to thinking, if you were a "betting man", who do you think would be the first affiliate to "go live" with HD capability and content from atop Mt. Mansfield? IIRC, the candidates are VPT (Public Television), WCAX (CBS affiliate), WPTZ (NBC affiliate), WVNY (ABS affiliate), and WFFF (Fox affiliate).

They all claim to be more or less on the same timeline. But I'm thinking that some stations are better positioned to be ready when the time comes than others.

Personally, I'd put my money on VPT, since they're the only member of the group who has any experience actually broadcasting HD OTA.

WCAX would be a close second, tho', since they've been HD over Adelphia cable for some time now.

As for the race for last place, my guess would be WVNY, since they seem to be the lowest-budget operation of the bunch.

I'm curious what opinions other folks reading this thread may have.

P.S. I live in a neighborhood with line-of-site to the summit of Mt. Mansfield from the West. I'll let everyone know when I start to see the new towers going up (expected to be late next summer), and maybe post a picture or 2 of the progress.
post #228 of 4127
I heard recently that ABC in Burlington, VT bought the local FOX station. I believe this to be true as it came from a fairly reliable source, plus the Simpsons that used to run on ABC now runs multiple times a day on FOX If that is the case does anyone think that ABC would delay Fox HD to pump up their station's OTA HD?

Also, I pull PBS in HD (channel 57-1) from across Lake Champlain from my downtown apartment. Anyone in the area getting any other OTA HD besides this?
post #229 of 4127
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Originally Posted by martinm0 View Post

I heard recently that ABC in Burlington, VT bought the local FOX station. I believe this to be true as it came from a fairly reliable source, [snip]

If you take a look at Fox's website (www.fox44.net), and WVNY's (www.abc22.com), and poke around enough for contact information, you will find that they both have the same Colchester address and phone number, which proves the rumor to be undeniably true.

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Originally Posted by martinm0 View Post

Also, I pull PBS in HD (channel 57-1) from across Lake Champlain from my downtown apartment.

That's encouraging. I get a snowy but watchable analog picture from WCFE using a home-made loop antenna in the rafters of my garage (my homeowners assoc. prohibits rooftop antennae). I wonder if this means I stand half a chance of getting a digital lock on their digital station?
post #230 of 4127
VTTOM,

Well, luckily for you you're within line of site of the soon to be towers. Me on the other hand, I'm screwed being just south of Rutland. There's a snow-balls chance in hell I'll be able to pick up any DTV signal off of Mt. Mansfield. I barely get their analog signal.

PBS HD started broadcasting a couple of months ago off of the "GRANDPA'S KNOB" locale though. Which is about 12 miles NNE of me. I can pick it up but can barely lock on at 62%. Maybe a a better bowtie antenna would work for me. at least for PBS HD anyway.
post #231 of 4127
Actually, it was WFFF's parent company (Smith Broadcasting) that bought WVNY, not the other way around.
post #232 of 4127
Here's a message from Joe Krone at WPTZ (NBC) in Burlington, VT:

"Actually Yes we will. There is a period of time BEFORE the transmitter goes
on the air with full time programming that we are allopwed to test the
transmitter, Antenna, Feedlines and associated terminal equipment.
That will be on Ch-14 and the actual start date will depend on the weather
in the spring on Mt Mansfield and how soon the road to the summit reopens.
We actually have our transmitter and antenna here in a warehouse in
Plattsburgh and all of the rack mounted gear is there too. So we're ready
to go as soon as conditions allow!
By the way, our sister station WNNE-DT on Mt Ascutney has been on for a
little over a month and we have had a few problems with new equipment
failing. This is NOT an unusual occurance and we kinda expected it!"
Joe
post #233 of 4127
Quote:
Originally Posted by martinm0 View Post

Here's a message from Joe Krone at WPTZ (NBC) in Burlington, VT:

"Actually Yes we will. There is a period of time BEFORE the transmitter goes
on the air with full time programming that we are allopwed to test the
transmitter, Antenna, Feedlines and associated terminal equipment.
That will be on Ch-14 and the actual start date will depend on the weather
in the spring on Mt Mansfield and how soon the road to the summit reopens.
We actually have our transmitter and antenna here in a warehouse in
Plattsburgh and all of the rack mounted gear is there too. So we're ready
to go as soon as conditions allow!
By the way, our sister station WNNE-DT on Mt Ascutney has been on for a
little over a month and we have had a few problems with new equipment
failing. This is NOT an unusual occurance and we kinda expected it!"
Joe

I've been watching the WNNE-DT signal for a month now and although they've had a few glitches, it's been pretty darn good. I'm about 50 miles away (Bradford) and get a signal in the 90s on my 942.

The big problem though with Dish is that they don't allow you to get any EPG data unless you subscribe to their analog LiLs and then they'll just mirror that info instead of allowing the PSIP data through.
post #234 of 4127
Informal poll here:

What equipment are you using to receive the (very) small handful of regional HD?

The reason I ask is that I currently do not own any equipment capable of receiving HD broadcasts (satellite, OTA, or cable). I'm starting to think about gearing up for the coming HD transmissions from atop Mt. Mansfield and am wondering what is the best way to go.
post #235 of 4127
Anybody else been having mulitpath issues with WNNE-DT lately? I can change to the station and it shows for second then switches to searching for signal. I know I have a strong singal too, so I'm assuming it's within the mulitpathing. It happens on both my D* HD-Tivo and Bell ExpressVU 6100.
post #236 of 4127
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Originally Posted by Coach Gibbs View Post

Anybody else been having mulitpath issues with WNNE-DT lately? I can change to the station and it shows for second then switches to searching for signal. I know I have a strong singal too, so I'm assuming it's within the mulitpathing. It happens on both my D* HD-Tivo and Bell ExpressVU 6100.

I'm not sure what the issue is. 31.1 disappeared although the sub channels are there without picture.
post #237 of 4127
Yea, I'm showing them all with a strong signal but no picture or audio. This has happened with the VtPBS digital group a few times in the past too. I'll try to get ahold of the WNNE engineer as see what's up.
post #238 of 4127
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Originally Posted by waltinvt View Post

Yea, I'm showing them all with a strong signal but no picture or audio. This has happened with the VtPBS digital group a few times in the past too. I'll try to get ahold of the WNNE engineer as see what's up.

Sorry I didn't post this sooner. I actually got it the day after I left their engineer a voice mail about the problem.

"Walt, I got your messsage on sunday, Confirmed master control could
see, hear wnne-dt.
Then went into WRJ and confirmed set top box was working, it was . Long
story short we had an issue with a transport stream processor at the
mountain and a psip issue with the multiplexer in plattsburgh. one set
top box would decode it and another would not. Sorry for the hassle."


Not sure if this means it shouldn't happen again.
post #239 of 4127
Just want to say thanks to FoxFan and the rest of the posters on thread.
With the info gather here, I'm able to pick up CBC-HD 20-3, SRC 19-3, PBS-HD 38-3, strength is 75%. My location is RDP.
The antenna is a 4bay Channel Master with a rusted grill. Old but it works !!!
Using an RCA DCT100 receiver
Josh
post #240 of 4127
Northern Vt/Quebec HD OTA Enthusiasts; How strong are the Canadian HD stations mentioned? Any hope of picking them up in the Burlington area? Thanks.
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