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post #31 of 4127
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Originally posted by foxfan
Pretty much, except the time-frame is now a year behind the date I originally posted. Construction will only begin in summer of 2005 and be completed in summer of 2006.

I just wish SOMETHING could be done to have the construction completed in one summer instead of two. El NiƱo maybe???

Nothing speeds up production more than competition - in any enterprise.

The coalition of the "un-willing" in Burlington has temporarily narrowed the threat of competition by virtue of "combining" their efforts. If just one of the network affiliate up there was ready or even close to being ready to transmit in full power digital, you can bet the '06 ETA would be as unacceptable to the rest of them as it to us.

The unexpected fly in their molasses is the possibility that congress may decide to let satellite provide HD distant nets to anyone not able to get digital locally. This is why those local affiliates pay big money to the NAB and the NAB pays big money to lobby congress against any legislation that will benefit satellite viewers.

WaltinVt
post #32 of 4127
Good point. Keep in mind though that there IS an HD affiliate in the market (WCFE-DT 38). The only problem is that PBS isn't exactly BIG competition...
post #33 of 4127
During the meeting I attended the engineer described the complexity of performing construction on top of Mansfield; they are restricted in the amount of area they can disturb due to the rare alpine species in the area; they must use special considerations when moving the rock and other materials (i.e., build slides to carry the rock etc), and the mountain road is only open to heavy construction from May to October.

Regarding WCFE: I only get a weak signal due to the presumably low power they are using..heck they just expanded their broadcast time to most of the day a few weeks ago.
post #34 of 4127
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Originally posted by vermonter
During the meeting I attended the engineer described the complexity of performing construction on top of Mansfield; they are restricted in the amount of area they can disturb due to the rare alpine species in the area; they must use special considerations when moving the rock and other materials (i.e., build slides to carry the rock etc), and the mountain road is only open to heavy construction from May to October.

Regarding WCFE: I only get a weak signal due to the presumably low power they are using..heck they just expanded their broadcast time to most of the day a few weeks ago.

I'm not sure if PBS comes under all the same rules as commerical networks but I believe the FCC has recently imposed new mandates that will force stations to increase transmission power this year.

WaltinVt
post #35 of 4127
Hey WaltinVT...you have a PM. Thanks.
post #36 of 4127
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Originally posted by vermonter
Not sure what that means...the Canadians hold cards here? That issue was not mentioned in either the meeting or in my Q & A after. Sorry if I seem ignorant....thanks.

Yup... anytime a signal crosses (or has potential too) the Canadian border, IC gets involved. They're just protecting their "space" too.

Casey
post #37 of 4127
I emailed WCAX about their HD station and this is the reply I got back:

The agreement is completed and signed. We are currently feeding a HD signal to Adelphia on a test basis. Our hope -- both Adelphia and us -- is that we'll be on cable systems late this week, most likely Friday. That is, however, subject to any technical kinks that might develop on either their end or ours.

We will be feeding the full CBS HDTV service. Our news and other local programming, but not syndicated programs like "Everyone Loves Raymond", will be in 16 x 9 format. All locally originated programming, regardless of format, will be upconverted to run on HDTV sets.
post #38 of 4127
so once again the locals and adelphia are teaming up to preserve their monopoly. Boy am I glad I don't deal with either of them anymore. I finally got rid of my cable modem for DSL and get my HD networks from D*.

For years the locals and Adelphia have teamed up to keep us from getting programming from any other source.
post #39 of 4127
Are you in Vermont and if so do you get CBS-HD, ABC-HD, NBC-HD and Fox-HD with DirectTV?

You really can't blame Adelphia and CBS for this one. Blame the environmentalist who wouldn't let them build the new Digital tower on Mt. Mansfield.
post #40 of 4127
Yes I live in vermont. Currently D* only has NBC and CBS HD, fox is on the way soon.
post #41 of 4127
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post #42 of 4127
I don't agree. I already have to pay adelphia ~ $17 just for analog; its 12 channels of garbage. Some channels are very bad.

To watch HD I then need to rent a digital cable box at $7.95 MORE a month..so I have to spend $ 25 a month for 13 channels? Note renting the box gives me nothing more..everything else is part of the digital packages which cost even more.

I think setting up Directv is far cheaper in the end...and and you can get more if you "move" to the right address.

So the plan is to move and get out rabbit ears and dump adelphia. It would be better if we had OTA but 2 years is two years.
post #43 of 4127
WaltInVT,

Who is the gentleman you spoke with at WNNE? I haven't heard anything recently and I seem to be missing his contact info.

If I can track him down, I'll give him a call and see what the status is.

Last I spoke to him, it should be about this time frame.

Strange that WNNE may be the first "Network" DTV broadcaster in VT and it's not even located near a large population base.

Casey
post #44 of 4127
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Originally posted by caseyathompson
WaltInVT,

Who is the gentleman you spoke with at WNNE? I haven't heard anything recently and I seem to be missing his contact info.

If I can track him down, I'll give him a call and see what the status is.

Last I spoke to him, it should be about this time frame.

Strange that WNNE may be the first "Network" DTV broadcaster in VT and it's not even located near a large population base.

Casey

Casey,
Sorry took so long to reply - just noticed your post. The guy is:

Roger E. Rosendahl
Supervising engineer
WPTZ/WNNE TV
WNNE

His E-mail Address: rosendahl@hearst.com

This is a copy of the latest email I received on Oct-5:

Mr. Mather,

Here is the current status .

The antenna is mounted on the tower.

The transmission line is run to the bottom of tower.

The Tower crew is working on getting transmission line into
building.

The transmitter is in storage at the base of the mountain.

The transmitter is scheduled to be brought up to the
transmitter site this Friday.

We have tentatively scheduled the installation of the
transmitter with the manufacturer for the first week of November.

The installation should take about two weeks.

We still have a microwave link to install between the north and
south peaks of Mt. Ascutney.

My best guess as to when you should start seeing WNNE-DT would
be mid December to the first of the year..

As for the HD content, we are planning to pass through the NBC
HD feed at first.

We hope to originate our own HD material in the future.

Hope this was helpful


Roger E. Rosendahl
Supervising engineer
WPTZ/WNNE TV
WNNE
post #45 of 4127
I live in Vermont where OTA HD signals are a distant pipe dream. We may have some signals in 2006 but that's doubtful. I've been teased by the CBSHD feeds on Dish and DirectTV for sometime now but was always told that I'm not eligible to receive them since my local affiliate doesn't broadcast in HD. I just found out a few weeks ago that my local CBS station WCAX has teamed up with Adelphia Cable to offer CBSHD in my area. That's great but I hate Adelphia and had already made plans to switch to Dish a few days before this announcement was made. It's frustrating that I can get all of the same channels over Dish or Direct for 1/2 the money of Adelphia and with better PQ but I lose out on CBSHD. I called Adelphia and asked how much it would cost me per month if the only station I cared about receiving was CBSHD......Their answer $80.

I'm not up on the legal obstacles regarding locals and Satellite TV but I don't understand how they can allow the HD feed to Adelphia if it's not being broadcast OTA....how can they exclude Satellite providers and force people to use Adelphia? It's very frustrating that the channel is available on Dish except I'm not allowed to receive it. It's also very frustrating that the way I understand it is the only people authorized to receive locals and local HD via satellite are the ones in the local area who can get it OTA anyway. I would think that the people who have no way to receive it locally would be the ones allowed to receive it via satellite.
post #46 of 4127
Because as far as the law is concerned, WCAX-HD is not the same as CBS-HD, if I am understanding your argument and situation correctly.
post #47 of 4127
The CBS-HD programming on Adelphia is coming from WCAX and not WCBS. WCBS-DT is the station on Dish and DirecTV and, unless you're in a CBS owned-and-operated market (you're not), you can only view an out-of-market station via satellite with permission (waiver) from your local affiliate. Your local affiliate owns the exclusive broadcast rights to network programming in its coverage area. And that's defined as ANALOG coverage area. They own the rights regardless of the distribution method. And it appears they have a deal with Adelphia. You'll note on the website it says "exclusively." That tends to make me believe they sold it that way and plan to keep it that way. Fully their right. Nothing illegal about it.

If I were you, I'd blow an e-mail into hoganf@wcax.com and ask when they'll be doing HD over the air. And, if not, if you could have a waiver. Can't hurt to try.
post #48 of 4127
Our HD ABC station was, for a time, only available on TWC until the ABC station finished the tower.

For all practical purposes our Fox HD signal is only available on TWC. The affliate is broadcasting the HD signal at a *whopping* 800 Watts. Only a very small area can receive it OTA.
post #49 of 4127
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Originally posted by DrDon
If I were you, I'd blow an e-mail into hoganf@wcax.com and ask when they'll be doing HD over the air. And, if not, if you could have a waiver. Can't hurt to try.

The new digital tower for all the broadcast stations in this area (they are going to share it) is not slated to begin construction until spring of 2005 with completion in summer of 2006. CBS is currently the only station with the hardware in place to broadcast HD.

Sucks.
post #50 of 4127
Be specific with topic titles, see my edit.
post #51 of 4127
WNNE out of Hartford/Hanover appears as if it will be broadcasting OTA sometime before the end of the year. Doesn't help you with CBS-HD, but it's a start.

Where are you located BTW?

Casey
post #52 of 4127
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post #53 of 4127
Just wanted to add to this thread as something weird happened today...

About once a week, I allow my TV to "re-aquire" OTA (analog) signals just to see what's out there.

Today It picked up Channel 17 which appears to retransmit UPN39 out of Burlington.

I also am picking up WMTW out of Auburn, ME on channel 27 EXTREMELY clear.

Is there some sort of weather phenominon going on currently? Did they suddenly put repeaters up?

I should add that my antenna is not on a rotator and is currently pointed to 220 degrees.

Any clues? I also wanted to see if anybody in the 05001 area is getting any new HD/DTV OTA signals?

Casey

PS. It may not be big news to some folks, but TV reception in my area is so horrible that these sort of things excite us all
post #54 of 4127
Quote:
Originally posted by caseyathompson
Just wanted to add to this thread as something weird happened today...

About once a week, I allow my TV to "re-aquire" OTA (analog) signals just to see what's out there.

Today It picked up Channel 17 which appears to retransmit UPN39 out of Burlington.

I also am picking up WMTW out of Auburn, ME on channel 27 EXTREMELY clear.

Is there some sort of weather phenominon going on currently? Did they suddenly put repeaters up?

I should add that my antenna is not on a rotator and is currently pointed to 220 degrees.

Any clues? I also wanted to see if anybody in the 05001 area is getting any new HD/DTV OTA signals?

Casey

PS. It may not be big news to some folks, but TV reception in my area is so horrible that these sort of things excite us all

Casey,

I'll try to run a scan later tonight or this weekend to see what I get. I'm at about 800 feet right near the Connecticut river, in Bradford, Vt (about 30 miles North of you).

So far I've only been able to pull in VtPbs Digital on 24 (24-1 thru 24-5 with 5 being the HD station) and NHPbs-Digital on 48 (11-1 & 11-2 one of them is HD). I do get some signal from WMUR-DT (59) but it won't lock in. It bounces around at about 40-49% with an occasional spike to 62%. I get similar results with 19 and 42 out of Boston but still no lock.

Hopfully with the FCC power mandate, they'll all be boosting power soon and maybe that will make the needed difference.

WaltinVt
post #55 of 4127
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Originally posted by DrDon
The CBS-HD programming on Adelphia is coming from WCAX and not WCBS. WCBS-DT is the station on Dish and DirecTV and, unless you're in a CBS owned-and-operated market (you're not), you can only view an out-of-market station via satellite with permission (waiver) from your local affiliate. Your local affiliate owns the exclusive broadcast rights to network programming in its coverage area. And that's defined as ANALOG coverage area. They own the rights regardless of the distribution method. And it appears they have a deal with Adelphia. You'll note on the website it says "exclusively." That tends to make me believe they sold it that way and plan to keep it that way. Fully their right. Nothing illegal about it.

If I were you, I'd blow an e-mail into hoganf@wcax.com and ask when they'll be doing HD over the air. And, if not, if you could have a waiver. Can't hurt to try.

If you get DirectTV and you "live" in Castleton,VT. 05735. You can get the DNS networks including HD without a waiver. It appears to be the only zip code in the state with ALL the DNS networks available. WCAX is a greedy pig with no interest in it's customers. When I "lived" in an area with a grade B signal WCAX told me that that if I bought a new 500 dollar rooftop antennae and had professionally mounted and positioned I "should" be able to get a "viewable" picture(good enough to understand commercials) which was all they were required to provide.

BTW, D* is supposed to be offerring SD locals starting tuesday in the area.
post #56 of 4127
OK folks. There is a possibility that I am moving to VT next Spring. VT or CA. Don't ask me to explain because it's making my own head spin as it is. Anyway, the question: [b]What cable is provided in VT and what HD stations are included? Does anyone have Firewire for HD recording? What company provides the equipment (Motorola or Scientific Atlanta).

I am in CT right now with Adelphia/Telemedia and have two SA 3250HD boxes, both Firewire ACTIVE. I had to file an FCC complaint to get the Firewire. It took months of insanely hard work and persistence.

I had DISH and have no intention of going back. I have zero interest in DirecTV or Voom, so cable is my only option (plus OTA, as I am taking my still in the box VU-190XR rooftop antenna with me).

Thanks for your help.
post #57 of 4127
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Originally posted by Matt_Stevens
[b]OK folks. There is a possibility that I am moving to VT next Spring. VT or CA. Don't ask me to explain because it's making my own head spin as it is. Anyway, the question: What cable is provided in VT and what HD stations are included? Does anyone have Firewire for HD recording? What company provides the equipment (Motorola or Scientific Atlanta).

I am in CT right now with Adelphia/Telemedia and have two SA 3250HD boxes, both Firewire ACTIVE. I had to file an FCC complaint to get the Firewire. It took months of insanely hard work and persistence.

I had DISH and have no intention of going back. I have zero interest in DirecTV or Voom, so cable is my only option (plus OTA, as I am taking my still in the box VU-190XR rooftop antenna with me).

Thanks for your help.

Well I can answer some of your questions:

Cable: Generally only Adelphia is available. There are a couple of areas with small town cable operators, but very few and none of them have any HD. Adelphia has your basic 5 or 6 HD(plus one local HD channel(CBS) only on Adelphia) channels available for a rather high extra fee and of course and even more ridiculous monly box rental. As far as I know there are NO HD DVRs available. No idea if your modded boxes will work here or not. Also the first 100 channels of Adelphia are still ananlog andmost look like crap.

OTA: LOL... nothing until 2006. As stated above Adelphia is the exclusive carrier of the local CBS HD channel until the towers go up.

up here DirectTV is a much better deal than Adelphia and pretty much your only chance for HD networks if you "live" in the right area. And of course there is HD TIVO.
post #58 of 4127
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BTW, D* is supposed to be offerring SD locals starting tuesday in the area.

Damn-it!!! This will only make WCAX and WPTZ less likely to grant waivers!

I can't wait until the Senate resumes in Washington so that the digital white area bill can get passed and shoved in the face of Martin and Sands.
post #59 of 4127
I have the Scientific Atlanta 8000HD (HD DVR) box through Adelphia. Got it back in August. Firewire and DVI are both disabled.
post #60 of 4127
Martin was VERY clear when I spoke to him at the tower meeting; NO waivers period.

I too looked into Adelphia for HD but it was silly-expensive...
$8.00 alone for the box monthly not incl the other fees.

Foxfan..any update on HD broadcasts out of Montreal?
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