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post #3061 of 4127
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Originally Posted by vttom View Post

...If you want to just get the locals, then you can continue to do exactly what you've done (the locals are re-transmitted down the cable unencrypted, as required by the FCC, so any HDTV with a built-in "QAM" tuner will be able to pick them up)....

Ok, so a follow up question, what determines a local station that would be required to be re-transmitted? I'm curious about WCFE, the NY PBS station. I would consider that a local station, but I don't seem to be able to pick up any of their digital broadcasts. Not a big deal to me, since I suspect their HD programming would be the national PBS shows that I could get on WETK, but it certainly seems odd that I don't. (For what it's worth we get both the WNNE and the WPTZ HD broadcasts, and I don't think the WNNE signal would be considered all that local for Jericho.)

I suspect even if they were truly "local" the same law probably wouldn't apply to the broadcast stations from Canada (namely CBMT, the CBC station, which I would love to get in HD). Anyone know for certain?

Finally, a request to the OTA'ers in the Jericho area, what stations do you folks receive? I know I should be able to get anything broadcast from Mt Mansfield (WCAX, WPTZ, WFFF, WETK, WVNY) but can of you pick up WCFE or any of the Canadian broadcasts?
post #3062 of 4127
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Originally Posted by avshelden View Post

Ok, so a follow up question, what determines a local station that would be required to be re-transmitted?

My understand of the FCC requirements regarding local channels comes down to:

1) Cable companies must carry certain local channels, but this must-carry requirement only applies to an SD signal. Broadcasting an HD version is at the cable company's discretion.

2) If they choose to offer a local channel in HD, then they must do so in an unencrypted fashion so that any QAM tuner-equipped HDTV can receive.
post #3063 of 4127
Dish Network announced today the additional HD channels below:
ABC Family HD
AMC HD
BET HD
The Biography
Channel HD
Bravo HD
Cartoon Network HD
CMT HD
Disney Channel HD
ESPN News HD
HBO2 HD
IFC HD
MGM HD
MTV HD
Nickelodeon HD
WGN HD
The Weather
Channel HD
VH-1 HD
I am also finding that the four locals are looking much better lately. It's great to have them on line because now you can record two HD channels at once--you could also add an SD channel bringing the total to three.
post #3064 of 4127
Sorry I should have added in my actual text that the channels from Dish are promises at this point. It is, in my experience, the first time they've actually named the channels.
post #3065 of 4127
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Originally Posted by avshelden View Post

So my question is this, does anyone know if what we're receiving is just the OTA signal, was the guy at Comcast just clueless, or maybe are we just the beneficiary of some "constructive interference" somewhere in the system?

I went to the Comcast office in Williston to investigate an HD box, and the woman at the front desk tried to tell me the same thing: that they don't transmit the local HD signals, that if I was getting them, it was OTA.

Of course, that's nonsense. She was blowing smoke by me, and honestly, I think she's been told to say that, it wasn't as if she had any technical knowledge about these kinds of things.

There's a marked difference in picture quality between the HD signals I get from Comcast and the OTA signals I get when I detach the cable and hook up rabbit ears. The Comcast HD local signals are markedly inferior....if those were truly OTA signals I am getting, wouldn't they be identical? Of course they would.

When I go OTA with rabbit ears, I get Mountain Lake PBS on 57. I don't get it at all on Comcast.

When I go OTA with rabbit ears, I don't get WCAX, WVNY or VT PBS.
post #3066 of 4127
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Originally Posted by signothetimes53 View Post


When I go OTA with rabbit ears, I get Mountain Lake PBS on 57. I don't get it at all on Comcast.

When I go OTA with rabbit ears, I don't get WCAX, WVNY or VT PBS.

If you really want OTA, try something better than rabbit ears (mostly for VHF and most digital TV is UHF). If limited to inside antenna, an Antennas Direct DB2 placed in a window on the tower side is way better than rabbit ears. Otherwise, go with an outside antenna that favors UHF.
post #3067 of 4127
I was a little skeptical at first but recentely built my own UHF HDTV antenna for practically free out of coat hangers, some wire, and a piece of wood. You would be amazed at how well these work. I am in Burlington down near the lake and pull in 13 digital channels OTA with this antenna crudely mounted on my window next to my TV. People in Canada are reporting picking up good signals 110 miles out from Mt Mansfield.



Here is the one I built.
uhfhdtvantenna(dot)blogspot(dot)com

Great reading on the topic here but you need to register I believe.

www(dot)lumenlab(dot)com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9613
post #3068 of 4127
[quote=BW577;13779975]I was a little skeptical at first but recently built my own UHF HDTV antenna for practically free out of coat hangers, some wire, and a piece of wood. You would be amazed at how well these work. I am in Burlington down near the lake and pull in 13 digital channels OTA with this antenna crudely mounted on my window next to my TV. People in Canada are reporting picking up good signals 110 miles out from Mt Mansfield.

Yep, not too difficult to build an antenna. You can make a good VHF antenna for WVNY-DT (broadcasting on 13) with a 27.5 inch strip of flat twin lead to merge with the one you built. I don't understand why folks are so quick to give up after poor reception with rabbit ears when better solutions are cheap and easy. Digital transmission requires a better antenna than analog.
http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/misc/dipole.html
post #3069 of 4127
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People in Canada are reporting picking up good signals 110 miles out from Mt Mansfield.

yup, I'm 110 miles away and I get your digital tv stations with an old Channel master 4221 and a preamp.

BUT...

I live up a mountain on the opposite side of the Champlain/St-Lawrence valley. I know people 125 miles away in the Laurentian Mountains still receiving HD with old yagi type deep-fringe antennas. Elevation is the key.
post #3070 of 4127
I'm about 90 miles away as the crow flies, with quite a bit of mountain between here and Mansfield, and I get get a vaguely useful HD signal as well (if I didn't have HD DNS channels, I'd probably try to tweak some more gain out of my antenna setup...)
post #3071 of 4127
We're glad our friends in Canada can enjoy our digital channels. Now if you'd just get CTV to do over the air digital and get all the antennas on the mountain and at full power, we'd consider the favor returned. It would be so nice to watch the Olympics this summer without all the BS NBC is going to put us through. I can get 2.1 in the morning when conditions are right but have never gotten a flicker on 6.1 or the others.
post #3072 of 4127
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Now if you'd just get CTV to do over the air digital and get all the antennas on the mountain and at full power, we'd consider the favor returned.

I'm harrassing them about it but still get a "NO" as reply.

CTV get all the best shows from the US so for us it's a "one channel fits all"
post #3073 of 4127
This is 2 weeks in a row now that the ABC local affiliate (no names but its initials are WVNY) has dropped the center channel (dialog) for an entire between commercial breaks segment on Women's Murder Club. I didn't think this was rocket science
post #3074 of 4127
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Originally Posted by SkiSmuggs View Post

This is 2 weeks in a row now that the ABC local affiliate (no names but its initials are WVNY) has dropped the center channel (dialog) for an entire between commercial breaks segment on Women's Murder Club. I didn't think this was rocket science

Along those same lines... Did anyone watch American Idol last night? The balance was terrible... The vocals were OK in the middle, but the band was WAY to quiet, and the audience applause in the back channels were WAY to loud.

On an interesting note - while trying to improve the situation, I switched my 5.1 receiver from Dolby Digital into Stereo mode. The vocal vs. band balance didn't change, but the audience noise disappeared completely (I was expecting to get some of it in the stereo mix).
post #3075 of 4127
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Originally Posted by SkiSmuggs View Post

This is 2 weeks in a row now that the ABC local affiliate (no names but its initials are WVNY) has dropped the center channel (dialog) for an entire between commercial breaks segment on Women's Murder Club. I didn't think this was rocket science

Send a PM to VideoTech. He was helping WVNY straighten out the problem the last time it happened, and I'm sure he'd be interested to hear that the problem is back again.
post #3076 of 4127
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Originally Posted by vttom View Post

Along those same lines... Did anyone watch American Idol last night? The balance was terrible... The vocals were OK in the middle, but the band was WAY to quiet, and the audience applause in the back channels were WAY to loud.

On an interesting note - while trying to improve the situation, I switched my 5.1 receiver from Dolby Digital into Stereo mode. The vocal vs. band balance didn't change, but the audience noise disappeared completely (I was expecting to get some of it in the stereo mix).

YES! We noticed and it was very irritating as it almost made for a Capella performances. Made no difference whether we were OTA or Dish, the sound of the band was very weak.
post #3077 of 4127
Dish Network press release:
ENGLEWOOD, Colo., May 11, 2008 (PrimeNewswire via COMTEX News Network) -- DISH Network Corporation (NasdaqISH), today announced plans to bolster its rapidly expanding HD programming with the launch of an additional 22 national HD channels beginning Monday, May 12. These additions include:

-- ABC Family HD (DISH Network -- Disney HD East (Ch. 172)
Ch. 180) -- ESPNews HD (Ch. 142)
-- Biography HD (Ch. 119) -- Hallmark Movie Channel HD
-- Bravo HD (Ch. 129) (Ch. 187)
-- Cartoon HD (Ch. 176) -- MGM HD (Ch. 385)
-- Cinemax 5 Star (Ch. 381) -- Sci Fi HD (Ch. 122)
-- Cinemax HD West (Ch. 380) -- Smithsonian HD (Ch. 374)
-- Comcast Sports Network Bay -- Tennis Channel HD (Ch. 400)
Area HD (Ch. 419)* -- Toon Disney HD (Ch. 174)
-- Comcast Sports Network New -- Travel Channel HD (Ch. 215)
England HD (Ch. 435)* -- USA HD (Ch. 105)
-- CNBC HD (Ch. 208) -- Weather Channel HD (Ch. 214)
-- CNN HD (Ch. 200) -- World Fishing Network HD (Ch. 396)

*Launch Wednesday, May 14

Can't wait to see if these channels are available when I get home
post #3078 of 4127
Easy to read list...

-- ABC Family HD (DISH Network Ch. 180)
-- Biography HD (Ch. 119)
-- Bravo HD (Ch. 129)
-- Cartoon HD (Ch. 176)
-- Cinemax 5 Star (Ch. 381)
-- Cinemax HD West (Ch. 380)
-- Comcast Sports Network Bay Area HD (Ch. 419)*
-- Comcast Sports Network New England HD (Ch. 435)*
-- CNBC HD (Ch. 208)
-- CNN HD (Ch. 200)
-- Disney HD East (Ch. 172)
-- ESPNews HD (Ch. 142)
-- Hallmark Movie Channel HD (Ch. 187)
-- MGM HD (Ch. 385)
-- Sci Fi HD (Ch. 122)
-- Smithsonian HD (Ch. 374)
-- Tennis Channel HD (Ch. 400)
-- Toon Disney HD (Ch. 174)
-- Travel Channel HD (Ch. 215)
-- USA HD (Ch. 105)
-- Weather Channel HD (Ch. 214)
-- World Fishing Network HD (Ch. 396)
post #3079 of 4127
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Originally Posted by HDinVT View Post

Dish Network press release:
ENGLEWOOD, Colo., May 11, 2008 (PrimeNewswire via COMTEX News Network) -- DISH Network Corporation (NasdaqISH), today announced plans to bolster its rapidly expanding HD programming with the launch of an additional 22 national HD channels beginning Monday, May 12.

Man, Comcast really needs to step it up.
post #3080 of 4127
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Originally Posted by TiVoHD View Post

Man, Comcast really needs to step it up.

... and DirecTv needs to start checking its rearview mirror! Dish is coming on! No SPEED tho, but I guess thats to be expected. I never knew that Comcast had its own Sports Network and we're getting it.
post #3081 of 4127
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Originally Posted by fpileggi View Post

... and DirecTv needs to start checking its rearview mirror! Dish is coming on! No SPEED tho, but I guess thats to be expected. I never knew that Comcast had its own Sports Network and we're getting it.

Yep, I knew Dish would catch up eventually. And they are doing this in spite of no new satellites! They are using the space formerly occupied by Sky Angel and using MPEG4. Not to mention the 10 Voom channels they dropped Monday night. Wish they had kept Film Fest.
post #3082 of 4127
After dropping 10 Voom channels Monday night, Dish dropped the 5 remaining and most popular Voom channels last night. Other than the best DVR available, Dish now has nothing to distinguish it from DirecTV. Still far more HD than cable though.
There has always been controversy on whether Voom was worth the bandwidth or not as they tended to have a lot of repeats, plus niche channels. However, Voom was always full time HD with no commercials. Many of the newly added "HD" channels (same on D*) are only part-time with a lot of SD, upconverted or (worse) strech-o-vision content plus commercials. If you wanted to "wow" someone with HDTV, Voom was the place to go.
post #3083 of 4127
Could be all the cards are not on the table yet. Before I rush to judgment, I'd wait to see what happens at Team Summit, which starts Friday (I think).
post #3084 of 4127
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Originally Posted by waltinvt View Post

Could be all the cards are not on the table yet. Before I rush to judgment, I'd wait to see what happens at Team Summit, which starts Friday (I think).

Agreed. While I was mostly ambivalent torwards Voom channels they were still content for many who enjoyed them. Oh well, I guess I will just go fishing.... Wait I've got the WFN!
post #3085 of 4127
Oh man. My ViP622 experienced some kind of glitch last night...

In the EPG, the OTA HD locals were only showing "Digital Programming", and the locals over satellite weren't showing up at all. This caused my American Idol timer to fail to record the show last night [grumble].

I re-booted the box, and everything was restored.

I've never seen this happen before. Has anyone else?
post #3086 of 4127
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Originally Posted by vttom View Post

Oh man. My ViP622 experienced some kind of glitch last night...

In the EPG, the OTA HD locals were only showing "Digital Programming", and the locals over satellite weren't showing up at all. This caused my American Idol timer to fail to record the show last night [grumble].

I re-booted the box, and everything was restored.

I've never seen this happen before. Has anyone else?

Not me. Suggest you go to: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/
where the experts are.
post #3087 of 4127
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Originally Posted by SkiSmuggs View Post

Not me. Suggest you go to: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/
where the experts are.

What he said and also go here on dbstalk where there is a forum for 622/722's http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=107 Be sure to use the search function first regardless as some folks get awfully pissy(jerks).
post #3088 of 4127
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Originally Posted by fpileggi View Post

Agreed. While I was mostly ambivalent torwards Voom channels they were still content for many who enjoyed them. Oh well, I guess I will just go fishing.... Wait I've got the WFN!

I must admit I feel like a pair of brown shoes at a formal wedding! The shows and channels I love the most inevitably are the ones that the majority seemingly can do without.
I am truly angry at losing channels like Gallery and Voom News, Rush and World Cinema.
Why is it that anything with a cultural interest or a unique perspective is dismissed by Dish--often in deference to adding yet another sports channel? How did Charlie become the de facto grantor of public opinion? Couldn't Dish open its coffers and support some cultural or unique programming--even if it's not really profitable? Is money the only controlling factor at Echo Star? How about a change of attitude that takes into account viewers who might enjoy a different perspective?
I suppose that I should be grateful for the addition of so many new channels. I'll try to control my enthusiasm over being able to watch a 24 hour fishing channel. Ah, yes, all finsall the time! How about the west coast feed of a movie channel? Oh, that's right I have a PVR that Dish has pushed for years. How about the SciFi Channel that is managing to show programs like Jake 2.0 in SD when Mark Cuban's channel was airing it in full 1080i over a year ago?
I don't pretend to understand the business intricacies of these decisions even though I've read the court decision against Voom. But, just once, just once mind you, I'd like to see us poor bastards in brown shoes win one!
post #3089 of 4127
I know what you mean as I will miss Rave, Rush, Equator and FilmFest. I does seem that anything that appeals to intellect doesn't last long and what appeals to the unwashed masses goes on for years.
post #3090 of 4127
Is it me or does TNT HD absolutely suck? The image seems pixelated and grainy, but I have no other choice if I want to watch Spurs/Hornets game 7
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