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post #61 of 1126
"Well, after calling three different times and getting three different answers, I ordered the 6000u with 8psk for $199."


Did Dish Network recently hire the CSR company that does DirecTV CSR work? :)
post #62 of 1126
anyone been able to get the 6000 with both hd modules for 199, i don't get it, why all the different answers and offers i get from teh csrs. dish must be a very poorly run operation, you think they could get one story out there to the csrs on what the package is. so far i have gotten offered a 6000 with no ota card at both 149 and 199.
i thought that the chat made it pretty clear what we would get a 6000 with both hd modules, so why can't they just honor that, and if it was a mistake, well then i guess that is the price the company pays if the ceo can't even get a simply sale price straight. i really want a stb that is capable of both sat and ota hd.
post #63 of 1126
I just got off a lengthy call. These people seemed to have no idea what is going on, even the supervisors. Finally the CSR ended up recommending I just wait until Superdish comes out.

He said, since I need the upgrade to DISH 500 to get the HD programming , that I may be excluded from the free Superdish upgrade, because you can only get one upgrade in a 1 year period, so I'd have to wait a year, before I could upgrade to Superdish and get all the new HD programming. He also said it won't be long till they have up to 50 HD channels available on the Superdish.

Can anyone confirm or contradict this info.

I really would like to get the 6000u now and don't want to wait, but I don't want to have to pay for Superdish or wait a year.

Thanks,

Don
post #64 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog
I just got off a lengthy call. These people seemed to have no idea what is going on, even the supervisors. Finally the CSR ended up recommending I just wait until Superdish comes out.
Interesting. I don't think incompetence explains it.

I am a directv customer thinking of switching to Dish. I was told yesterday by a Dish crs that there are no 6000 HD receivers in stock and I would have to wait until the new HD receivers come out in November. They said they will keep me updated.

I think it is nice that they are reserving this special offer for existing customers, if they are. I don't think it is so great that they seem to have a problem with telling the truth. Either they don't have any in stock, and they are lying to folks here, or they do have receivers in stock and they are lying to me.

A=A. I can't see it any other way.

Gary
post #65 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by h2ofun
;)

Dave
WOW!! Terrific input.
post #66 of 1126
Thread Starter 
FYI, I talked with my guy again today. The 522 receiver should be released by X-Mas, for those of you who want it.

Also, crashing problems in the 921 are less and less of an issue. That should not be a problem by January.
post #67 of 1126
as a former Dish Retailer I know I'd never Trust any of those butchers from
DNSC to come anywhere near my Property let alone anywhere near my equipment! I had too many jobs repairing their screw ups! Didn't even want to do them anymore!

IF that is the case and I'm unable to get a Superdish on my own from my Distributor That would be the end of Dish for me! I'd switch to D* in a heart beat in fact I think I'm e-mail them right now...
post #68 of 1126
haha and you think Direct TV techs are better ? lol .... I guess you never experienced Subs as well ..

seriously , some DNSCs are actually very good . What can you expect, real quality techs from such low paying job ?

Quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyB39
as a former Dish Retailer I know I'd never Trust any of those butchers from
DNSC to come anywhere near my Property let alone anywhere near my equipment! I had too many jobs repairing their screw ups! Didn't even want to do them anymore!

IF that is the case and I'm unable to get a Superdish on my own from my Distributor That would be the end of Dish for me! I'd switch to D* in a heart beat in fact I think I'm e-mail them right now...
post #69 of 1126
Yah this is a beatifully run company. Don't blame the CSR's, even if they are Taco Bell rejects, it's management that's all messed up. They tell me that since I'm an ex-suscriber that I have to buy through a local retailer....I called about 10 of them (I'm lucky I have so many right!) and not a single one of them knows about the deal or would care to get involved. I just wanted this box to hold me over for the 921 which could be quite some time according to what I've read here. After calling the 3rd CSR and explaining that I called 5 retailers and not a single one of them knew of the deal, they proceeded to read off the dish network retailer list for me. "And why would I expect to get any different answer than the first five? That's your solution?" "Yes sir." Dave will you take my money, or is it no good there too.
post #70 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by letMeIn
haha and you think Direct TV techs are better ? lol .... I guess you never experienced Subs as well ..

seriously , some DNSCs are actually very good . What can you expect, real quality techs from such low paying job ?
I guess you never experienced Subs as well ?? who do you think does Sears Installs Subcontrators and from what I seen they are no better
if thats is what you meant by Subs?

and If they are so good then why would they accept a job just doing installs
making money for Dish? Why wouldn't they become Retailers for themselves? So they can just have a low paying crappy job? Dish pays alot of money for Installs to retailers to the tune of 50 bucks an hour So there must be something wrong with them ! under achievers or just lazy I don't know?

and I never stated that DirecTV techs were any better or that I would allow them anywhere near my house as well! I Trust only myself !!( well
myself and FrankS) and besides I have already installed the proper D* Dish since I am a D* subscriber as well..so all I would need to do is replace four Dishnetwork receivers :p
post #71 of 1126
Rebel Ram, or anyone who can answer...


Does the 6000 come with 8VSB, i.e. OTA ready? Charlie said the 6000 can receive OTA with an antenna, but I can't even find a rep at Dish who's heard of the deal, and they don't know what I'm talking about when I ask about 8VSB.

My retailer didn't know about the deal, and when she called Dish, they told her the upgrade didn't apply to me since I was a lease customer, i.e. Digital Home Plan.

I told her that's not what Charlie said, she said call dish....(sigh......)
post #72 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by moonhawk
Rebel Ram, or anyone who can answer...


Does the 6000 come with 8VSB, i.e. OTA ready? Charlie said the 6000 can receive OTA with an antenna, but I can't even find a rep at Dish who's heard of the deal, and they don't know what I'm talking about when I ask about 8VSB.

My retailer didn't know about the deal, and when she called Dish, they told her the upgrade didn't apply to me since I was a lease customer, i.e. Digital Home Plan.

I told her that's not what Charlie said, she said call dish....(sigh......)
The 6000 needs a 8VSB tuner adapter (costs around 119.00) to receive OTA new 6000's do come with a 8PSK adapter, and Dish was Correct there is no Digital Home Plan for HD you must have misinterpreted what Charlie stated
post #73 of 1126
Thanks Johnny, but I think you misunderstood my point.:)

Charlie made no distinction about who could get the deal on the 6000...All he said was "existing customers.'

Not "existing HDTV customers," not "existing customers who purchased their equipment as opposed to leasing it," just "existing customers."

I am an "existing customer." I wish to purchase, not lease, a 6000.

As for 8VSB, I realize that is necessary for OTA, but Charlie said the 6000 in the deal would receive OTA, "with an antenna." Not with a Module, which leads me to believe the 8VSB is INCLUDED in the deal...

Maybe I'm asking to mush, but a deal's a deal, and Charlie made the deal, not me, and I GOT IT RECORDED....:D
post #74 of 1126
Johnny, the 6000 will come with the 8psk module, but I'm not sure about the 8vsb. The csr I talked to barely spoke English and it took about 30 minutes for me to explain the deal to her and for her to set things up. Although we had a language barrier, she was the third csr I called and the only one that was of any help. It was not until I spoke with the deal confirmer that I was sure I was getting the 6000 with 8psk for $199. The installer did call this afternoon to confirm the install so I guess things are on go.

It took me about an hour of persist ant calls this morning to get the 6000 deal. What a goat rope it was. People may want to contact dishdepot.com for a more favorable experience.
post #75 of 1126
rebelRam
I did say that the 6000 has the 8PSK tuner the adapter in question is the 8VSB tuner for off the air reception and that also maybe included that would be a great deal and would another slap in th efact to old Customers likw myself who had to pay 119.00 ( no that was a sale price more like 149.00) on top of the 450.00 price for the 6000 !

moonhawk
I understand your Frustration Believe me many times Charlie Promises
things on the Charlie Chat that he never meant or he didn't think threw

I know for a fact that anyone on the DHP after their commitment is over
will not be able to participate in other promotions since Dish had paid more for these Customers

Let me explain other Customers get one receiver reimbursed say Free Dish
that's 199.00 if this Customer wants other TV's hooked they(The Customer) have to pay say 99.00 per receiver Dish doesn't subsidies these receivers it out of pocket to the Customers...

in my cast I bought my first receiver in '97 I didn't receive a free receiver but Dish greatly reduced the price But that was it since then I bought and paid for five other receivers out of pocket
Now along comes DHP customers who for the year are only out Programming costs plus a 5.00 rental fee per box? the investment are not the same Customers who bought into the DHP have to consider they received up to 1000.00 worth of equipment with no out of pocket expense
you were able to get a Dish 501 plus three other receivers and what a month free programming

I looked into this and decided not to sell DHP and talked any customer out of it telling him these bad points of the program
post #76 of 1126
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...51#post2682151

People in this thread seem to be getting equally confusing and inconsistent info.

I shall persevere.

Sometimes I like bugging people...have to be in just the right mood...:D
post #77 of 1126
Back with Dave. Officially deal is not for ex-sub, which I am, but transfered to customer retention and no problem. Whole deal took less than five minutes....yes just one phone call, everyone extrememly polite and efficient.
Receiver is either a Hughes E86 or Sammy TS160 + triple lnb dish + installation. System will be here on Thursday. Hmmmm, 50 bucks more, but includes the dish and install, no $25 reconnect fee, no two week wait that dish quoted, no phone call after phone call dealing with morons, no consulting my psychic to see if I can get over the air signals, no educating local retailers as to what the deals are that they have under their belt, no waiting for some new dish that I may or may not get for free, no waiting for some special switch so I can use my new and old equipment (sorry, run on but it's Charley's fault). I'm also guessing that DirecTivo for HD will be bug free long before the 921 is. Charlie, you need a "we have our heads up our butt" department, you might someday be able to actually pay for those satellites that you are shooting up to the sky!
post #78 of 1126
by DNSC I ment Dish Techs , and not Sears techs or Private Techs doing jobs for Dish ..... Those people I would NEVER let near my house, but some of the techs that work for dish directly are actually good, and they make $13 / hour ... Regular installers get paid PER JOB, the more jobs they do the more $ they make , that is why they RUSH and do crappy jobs . If you get installer that works directly for dish ( $13/hour ) you will get much better job done since they get paid by hours. Also if you take care of them, and tell them right in the beginning to do a good job, you most likely won't be sorry .

Quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyB39
I guess you never experienced Subs as well ?? who do you think does Sears Installs Subcontrators and from what I seen they are no better
if thats is what you meant by Subs?

and If they are so good then why would they accept a job just doing installs
making money for Dish? Why wouldn't they become Retailers for themselves? So they can just have a low paying crappy job? Dish pays alot of money for Installs to retailers to the tune of 50 bucks an hour So there must be something wrong with them ! under achievers or just lazy I don't know?

and I never stated that DirecTV techs were any better or that I would allow them anywhere near my house as well! I Trust only myself !!( well
myself and FrankS) and besides I have already installed the proper D* Dish since I am a D* subscriber as well..so all I would need to do is replace four Dishnetwork receivers :p
post #79 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by letMeIn
by DNSC I ment Dish Techs , and not Sears techs or Private Techs doing jobs for Dish ..... Those people I would NEVER let near my house, but some of the techs that work for dish directly are actually good, and they make $13 / hour ... Regular installers get paid PER JOB, the more jobs they do the more $ they make , that is why they RUSH and do crappy jobs . If you get installer that works directly for dish ( $13/hour ) you will get much better job done since they get paid by hours. Also if you take care of them, and tell them right in the beginning to do a good job, you most likely won't be sorry .
Sorry I disagree I wouldn't allow them near my house you like them you can have them! again you have to ask yourself who would work for 13.00 an hour? and where do you think these pool of "Dish Tech's" came from
University Dish? no Dish just hired people who were Private installers
and previous subcontractors mostly the underachievers of the industry

and FYI Sears doesn't have Tech's they farm out Subcontractors I only mentioned them because of your first comment that I must never have experenced subs?

Quote:
haha and you think Direct TV techs are better ? lol .... I guess you never experienced Subs as well ..

seriously , some DNSCs are actually very good . What can you expect, real quality techs from such low paying job ?
if you weren't talking about subcontractors then what was that referring to ?
I still can't understand the second part real quality techs from such a low paying job ? OH I see so when a customers is getting poor quality reception because the tech Dish sent out used a jack knife to strip the coaxial hey that's alright because the poor guy was only being paid 13.00 an hour

or the tech turns the dish into a lighting rod because he didn't properly ground the system hey that alright

or tried to use diplexers to send a signal to another TV instead of just running another line
or the best one forgot to tighten the bolts on the dish after aligning it the first storm with 10 MPH winds blew the dish out of alignment but hey he was only getting paid 13.00 an hour that's alright better luck next install
or maybe the Customers just didn't tell these installers "to take care of them, and tell them right in the beginning to do a good job " PLEASE :p

I have a ton of examples and have read a ton more of these complaints against
DNSC service techs in fact your the first person I've ever heard of saying anything good about them !

I think Private Techs are better then DNSC I have run into a couple that were extremely knowledgeable you would have to screen them well before hiring at least with a Private Tech in most cases he should guarantee His work personally
post #80 of 1126
Just got the $149 6000u deal on the first try with NO HD package commitment. 8PSK only. I was tagged as an 'exclusive' customer.

[edit] I forgot to mention that Dish is requiring that an installer deliver and install my 6000u.

Mark
post #81 of 1126
Hey Mark- I just learned in this thread that the reason you can't do the install yourself is because you don't make at least $13 per hour. Once you make that much you will be qualified by Dish's standards to install it. yuk yuk!
post #82 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by mdv
Just got the $149 6000u deal on the first try with NO HD package commitment. 8PSK only. I was tagged as an 'exclusive' customer.

[edit] I forgot to mention that Dish is requiring that an installer deliver and install my 6000u.

Mark
Did you ask if the 8VSB off the air tuner was included ?
post #83 of 1126
however Dish techs are monitored by Quality Managers ... That means no RG59 between receiver/dish, change out regular low frequency barrels to dish standard, grounding etc ... You think Private Techs do that ?

I know few people that work for dish and yes they are college graduates with degrees in computer science and engineering . They just work there, since they are fresh out of college with minimal experience and finding jobs in todays market is like playing lotto . Private installers get $100 + per installation. The more crappy jobs they do per day the more $ they make .

I would take Dish tech over Sub anyday, if I could not do it myself, but I can so I won't .

Quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyB39
Sorry I disagree I wouldn't allow them near my house you like them you can have them! again you have to ask yourself who would work for 13.00 an hour? and where do you think these pool of "Dish Tech's" came from
University Dish? no Dish just hired people who were Private installers
and previous subcontractors mostly the underachievers of the industry

and FYI Sears doesn't have Tech's they farm out Subcontractors I only mentioned them because of your first comment that I must never have experenced subs?



if you weren't talking about subcontractors then what was that referring to ?
I still can't understand the second part real quality techs from such a low paying job ? OH I see so when a customers is getting poor quality reception because the tech Dish sent out used a jack knife to strip the coaxial hey that's alright because the poor guy was only being paid 13.00 an hour

or the tech turns the dish into a lighting rod because he didn't properly ground the system hey that alright

or tried to use diplexers to send a signal to another TV instead of just running another line
or the best one forgot to tighten the bolts on the dish after aligning it the first storm with 10 MPH winds blew the dish out of alignment but hey he was only getting paid 13.00 an hour that's alright better luck next install
or maybe the Customers just didn't tell these installers "to take care of them, and tell them right in the beginning to do a good job " PLEASE :p

I have a ton of examples and have read a ton more of these complaints against
DNSC service techs in fact your the first person I've ever heard of saying anything good about them !

I think Private Techs are better then DNSC I have run into a couple that were extremely knowledgeable you would have to screen them well before hiring at least with a Private Tech in most cases he should guarantee His work personally
post #84 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by letMeIn
however Dish techs are monitored by Quality Managers ... That means no RG59 between receiver/dish, change out regular low frequency barrels to dish standard, grounding etc ... You think Private Techs do that ?

I know few people that work for dish and yes they are college graduates with degrees in computer science and engineering . They just work there, since they are fresh out of college with minimal experience and finding jobs in todays market is like playing lotto . Private installers get $100 + per installation. The more crappy jobs they do per day the more $ they make .

I would take Dish tech over Sub anyday, if I could not do it myself, but I can so I won't .
You still haven't answered my orignal questions

which was where did I ever say DirecTV techs were any better ?
and you asked me "I guess you never experienced Subs as well "
I stated in a reply that I have experienced work done by subs Sears farms out all work apparent that isn't what you meant ?

I have facts in my Records I have reported multiple installers to Dish Retail for violations and I'm sure nothing happed I heard nothing more from Dish
so much for that Quality control manager he must be getting 13.50 an hour huh?

you just keep coming back with ridiculous accusations about Private Contractors. are you a retailer? have you done any Professional installs? have you ever gone out to a trouble shoot call on a install done by Dish ?
have you had to look a Customer in the face and hand them a Bill for 100.00 plus to repair something they should have received for free? If you can't answer yes to the about then you do not know what your talking about like I said You and DNSC are a marriage in heaven you deserve each other with my blessings enjoy them I wont be responding to this subject anymore I'm sure everyone has grown tired of it as have I
post #85 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by letMeIn
however Dish techs are monitored by Quality Managers ... That means no RG59 between receiver/dish, change out regular low frequency barrels to dish standard, grounding etc ... You think Private Techs do that ?

I know few people that work for dish and yes they are college graduates with degrees in computer science and engineering . They just work there, since they are fresh out of college with minimal experience and finding jobs in todays market is like playing lotto . Private installers get $100 + per installation. The more crappy jobs they do per day the more $ they make .

I would take Dish tech over Sub anyday, if I could not do it myself, but I can so I won't .
GOOD GOD! You actually believe whomever told that fable? On an extremely rare occasion there may be someone who checks the occasional DNSC installs but for the most part if the customer doesn't complain their install goes unchecked!

Your lack of knowledge also makes your statement about "private installers doing as many crappy installs they can a day" look real bad! Installers not working under DNSC (Dish's own install network) get charged back the FULL priced paid them if a customer calls and Dish goes out and sees a inappropriate install was done. You don't make much money if you are being charged back for the majority of your installs due to incompetence or lazyness!


Quote:
Originally posted by letMeIn
I would take Dish tech over Sub anyday, if I could not do it myself, but I can so I won't .
I think some clarification is in order as to who subs are and other non-DNSC installers out there. First off subs means people who work for companies who do only the installs and don't sell Dish as well. Then there are Dish independant retailers (like myself) who sell and install Dish Network systems. The subs have no reputation to protect so they are FAR more likely to give you a shotty install. On the other hand Independant Retailers have their reputation at stake as it is their own company they represent so it is in their best interest to do installs right thus pleasing the customers and not worrying about chargebacks as well. For the most part the Independant Retailer is by far the best quality installer out there and they are paid nicely (at least $300 per install) which includes sales and installation incentives. We also are charged back the $300+ if a install is done improperly and Dish discovers it!

In all areas of installers whether it be Independant Retailers, DNSC, or subs you will have some good, some bad, and some incredibly inept but the vast majority of Independant Retailers will be good and less then 50% of the DNSC and subs will good. It's a big crapshoot when using DNSC or subs!
post #86 of 1126
yes I believe this because I was told this by someone that actually works as a DNSC in NJ area . They have QAS ( Quality Assurance Supervisors ) that monitor jobs done by DNSCs in their office, on weekly basis . Plus FSMs ( Field Service Managers ) from time to time go to customers houses after DNSC , and check the installation himself and ask about Tech, whether he was polite, did he explain how to use the equipment etc ... Im not saying every office does this thing, but in North Jersey office this is the case .

And yes I am correct yet again about jobs done by Subs ( private installers ) . I have heard stories from my friends , where sub would install 44 switch Flat on the roof, then run 6 cables right through the roof, and install 3x4 mutli and 4 21 switches INSIDE the attic (119/110/61.5), then run rg59 cable to receivers. They install switches on top of the roofs, don't check inside wiring for rg59, use low frequency barrels, crappy connectors etc . And guess what, their install will work but not for long .... My friend told me that 90% of trouble calls in their area are to jobs performed by Subs .

I agree with you that there are some good DNSCs and some good Subs, but if I knew NOTHING about installing Dish , I would rather take my chances with a DNSC than a Sub .

Quote:
Originally posted by FrankS
GOOD GOD! You actually believe whomever told that fable? On an extremely rare occasion there may be someone who checks the occasional DNSC installs but for the most part if the customer doesn't complain their install goes unchecked!

Your lack of knowledge also makes your statement about "private installers doing as many crappy installs they can a day" look real bad! Installers not working under DNSC (Dish's own install network) get charged back the FULL priced paid them if a customer calls and Dish goes out and sees a inappropriate install was done. You don't make much money if you are being charged back for the majority of your installs due to incompetence or lazyness!


I think some clarification is in order as to who subs are and other non-DNSC installers out there. First off subs means people who work for companies who do only the installs and don't sell Dish as well. Then there are Dish independant retailers (like myself) who sell and install Dish Network systems. The subs have no reputation to protect so they are FAR more likely to give you a shotty install. On the other hand Independant Retailers have their reputation at stake as it is their own company they represent so it is in their best interest to do installs right thus pleasing the customers and not worrying about chargebacks as well. For the most part the Independant Retailer is by far the best quality installer out there and they are paid nicely (at least $300 per install) which includes sales and installation incentives. We also are charged back the $300+ if a install is done improperly and Dish discovers it!

In all areas of installers whether it be Independant Retailers, DNSC, or subs you will have some good, some bad, and some incredibly inept but the vast majority of Independant Retailers will be good and less then 50% of the DNSC and subs will good. It's a big crapshoot when using DNSC or subs!
post #87 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by letMeIn
yes I believe this because I was told this by someone that actually works as a DNSC in NJ area . They have QAS ( Quality Assurance Supervisors ) that monitor jobs done by DNSCs in their office, on weekly basis . Plus FSMs ( Field Service Managers ) from time to time go to customers houses after DNSC , and check the installation himself and ask about Tech, whether he was polite, did he explain how to use the equipment etc ... Im not saying every office does this thing, but in North Jersey office this is the case .

And yes I am correct yet again about jobs done by Subs ( private installers ) . I have heard stories from my friends , where sub would install 44 switch Flat on the roof, then run 6 cables right through the roof, and install 3x4 mutli and 4 21 switches INSIDE the attic (119/110/61.5), then run rg59 cable to receivers. They install switches on top of the roofs, don't check inside wiring for rg59, use low frequency barrels, crappy connectors etc . And guess what, their install will work but not for long .... My friend told me that 90% of trouble calls in their area are to jobs performed by Subs .

I agree with you that there are some good DNSCs and some good Subs, but if I knew NOTHING about installing Dish , I would rather take my chances with a DNSC than a Sub .
You keep attempting to lump Independant Retailer/installers and the only ones who should be called sub (those who work for private install-only companies) which is totally wrong! And it sure is funny how 90% of the service calls we get are to correct DNSC installs! The likelyhood is you friend is going out to correct other DNSC installs. You will not get very many people to agree with you that DNSC are the best installers out there because it is so well known just how bad they truly are! Just go browse DBSforums.com or DBSTalk.com to see what I mean.
post #88 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyB39
Did you ask if the 8VSB off the air tuner was included ?
Yes, I was told the 8VSB was not included and that there were no deals available on the 8VSB.

I decided to be happy with the $149 and not press my luck.

Mark
post #89 of 1126
Quote:
Originally posted by mdv
Yes, I was told the 8VSB was not included and that there were no deals available on the 8VSB.

I decided to be happy with the $149 and not press my luck.

Mark
Still not a bad deal a few years back I paid 450.00 for the 6000 and additional 119.00 for the 8VSB tuner ( on sale at Sears) and did the 99.00 for the 8PSK and Discovery totaling 668.00 ! you can get the whole package for 300.00 or less depending on finding the 8VSB! I wonder why Dish didn't sweeten the deal to include th OTA tuner for a few more bucks ? what else can they use them for ??
post #90 of 1126
I just got off the phone with a csr from Dish and they quoted me 149$ for a new 6000, free intallation, and a 1 year commitment to AT50. I have the AT100 so thats no big thing. It doesn't come with the 8vsb, thats another 149$.
Heres the ?. I have a 47" panny HDTV, and 5.1 setup, and Dish 500 right now. I would like to watch OTA HD material and maybe a get the HD program package that Dish offers. Do I go for the 300$ 6000 with 8vsp and free install, or wait for the 811 and whatever deal that has? The csr stated I did not need a new antenna or sat. dish. Is that true? Thanks for the help in advance.
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