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post #8461 of 9019
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Originally Posted by AC2011 View Post

Rob - I just picked up an SMS-1 system on the used market. Downloaded the Outlaw's guide and started to read through it last night - have not yet connected (and won't until I get my other issue sorted).

I note that the SMS-1 has a 12V trigger - but I don't think it comes with a wire - does the SMS-1 need to be on whenever the AVR & sub are on? Just wondering if I need to pick up a 12V wire. I guess I could always just switch it on with the remote, but life would be easier with the trigger if it must be on.

There are several options you could use. Since the SMS-1 is a low power consuming device, you can plug the unit into the switched outlets on the back of your AV receiver. Another option would be to use the auto on/off feature, another to use the remote control, and finally there is the previously mentioned 12volt trigger.

The 12 volt trigger connects to the SMS-1 using bare wire.
post #8462 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Rob Morse View Post

The first thing to do is unplug the input cable from the back of the subwoofer, then turn the subwoofer on. Does it hum? If it does, the problem is likely in the subwoofer, if it does not then we should proceed with additional trouble shooting.

The next thing would be to connect a music source to the subwoofer directly using a different set of cables. If you choose to use a portable device such as an iPod, set the volume on the portable device to 3/4. Set the subwoofer's cross-over to direct or max, then play a song with good bass. You should hear the bass portion of the music. If the hum is present, then the problem is likely in the subwoofer, if there is no hum then the problem is elsewhere in your system.

If the problem is elsewhere in your system, connect the subwoofer directly to the receiver using a different cable than the one you normally use. Test the subwoofer, is the hum present? If so, the problem is likely a grounding issue in your system, if not, the problem is likely your RG6 cable.

If the problem is your cable consider using a wireless solution such as the Velodyne WiConnect system. This connects to any receiver and subwoofer allowing you to place the subwoofer anywhere within 50 feet of the source without the need to run signal cables.



Rob, I removed the cable from the rear of the subwoofer and turned it on - no hum. Plugged it back in - hum. Tried switching power outlets - still hummed. Tried checking/adjusting the connector ends on the RG6 cable - still hummed.

So completely disconnected the woofer, carried the behemoth across the room, plugged it in and ran a cable (I have a 15ft Acoustic Research woofer cable) directly from the AVR to the woofer - no hum, and appeared to be working.

My assumption from this is that there is something up with the RG6 cable. Either it's a "bad" cable or maybe it shifted too close to a cable carrying power. No idea how I can troubleshoot/fix that issue, considering this cable runs through the ceiling and down a wall. Also no idea why it worked fine for weeks and then suddenly didn't.

Very frustrating. Thanks for your help - appears it's not the woofer itself.
post #8463 of 9019
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Originally Posted by AC2011 View Post

Rob, I removed the cable from the rear of the subwoofer and turned it on - no hum. Plugged it back in - hum. Tried switching power outlets - still hummed. Tried checking/adjusting the connector ends on the RG6 cable - still hummed.

So completely disconnected the woofer, carried the behemoth across the room, plugged it in and ran a cable (I have a 15ft Acoustic Research woofer cable) directly from the AVR to the woofer - no hum, and appeared to be working.

My assumption from this is that there is something up with the RG6 cable. Either it's a "bad" cable or maybe it shifted too close to a cable carrying power. No idea how I can troubleshoot/fix that issue, considering this cable runs through the ceiling and down a wall. Also no idea why it worked fine for weeks and then suddenly didn't.

Very frustrating. Thanks for your help - appears it's not the woofer itself.

I agree, it sounds like the cable. If you want to keep your subwoofer installed where it was, the best solution may be the WiConnect system. The transmitter connects to your subout on the A/V processor, and a receiver connects to the subwoofers input. You can keep your equipment placement without the need to run cables.
post #8464 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Rob Morse View Post

I agree, it sounds like the cable. If you want to keep your subwoofer installed where it was, the best solution may be the WiConnect system. The transmitter connects to your subout on the A/V processor, and a receiver connects to the subwoofers input. You can keep your equipment placement without the need to run cables.



The current location is ideal for WAF, but may not be optimal for performance. I just got my SMS-1 as you know, so once I have a chance to play with this, I will be able to better determine location. I have several drops pre-wired.


In another thread I posed the question of how to troubleshoot my cable issue and there is speculation it might be as "simple" as a ground loop issue. So, I've got more investigative work to do tonight.
post #8465 of 9019
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Originally Posted by AC2011 View Post

The current location is ideal for WAF, but may not be optimal for performance. I just got my SMS-1 as you know, so once I have a chance to play with this, I will be able to better determine location. I have several drops pre-wired.


In another thread I posed the question of how to troubleshoot my cable issue and there is speculation it might be as "simple" as a ground loop issue. So, I've got more investigative work to do tonight.

To eliminate the ground loop possibility, plug the subwoofer into the same outlet you normally do, then run a cable across the room and connect the subwoofer to the receiver and play. If the unit does not hum, then there is no ground loop. I suspect you will find there is no ground loop, our unit is not grounded, so the loop is usually in other components and would have been revealed in your previous testing. The co-ax cable laying parallel to electrical wiring in the wall or ceiling, or having become bent too much is much more likely the issue.
post #8466 of 9019
Gents, looking for your assistance.
I'm the proud owner of two DD-15's.

The 2nd I purchased about 12 months ago which was one of the last here in Australia prior to the change to the DD+ series.

History: The unit arrived with what appeared to be a replacement amp installed as the software advised that it was a DD-18 and software version was one that was not standard.
It took over a month to get the software sorted between a Head of Customer Service at Velodyne US and the Australian Distributor though I was having intermittent issues with my remote which I registered with my local retailer.
Wasnt a major concern as the unit was used for a short period then boxed as I was moving house. I've now set the units up again and am having issues with the control of the newer DD.
Issue
Plugging the unit in I have full control with the IR remote.
Let the unit turn off automatically, then at a later time have it come on automatically due to input, the sub is working though there is no control with the remote (tried both) volume, memory, anything - no control.

Disconect the unit from power for 2-3 hours, then manual power on, control returns with the IR. repeat the above process and I lose control.
Same goes with setting the unit up as a master or slave with RS232.

Through my retailer the local distributor has advised to take it to a repairer so he can check the wiring. In my opinion, this issue is too consistant to be loose wiring.
I'd really like to be without the sub for minimal time as it is functioning and we've just finished our dedicated Theatre.

Any ideas?

Aaron
post #8467 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Azz View Post

Gents, looking for your assistance.
I'm the proud owner of two DD-15's.

The 2nd I purchased about 12 months ago which was one of the last here in Australia prior to the change to the DD+ series.

AHistory: The unit arrived with what appeared to be a replacement amp installed as the software advised that it was a DD-18 and software version was one that was not standard.
It took over a month to get the software sorted between a Head of Customer Service at Velodyne US and the Australian Distributor though I was having intermittent issues with my remote which I registered with my local retailer.
Wasnt a major concern as the unit was used for a short period then boxed as I was moving house. I've now set the units up again and am having issues with the control of the newer DD.
Issue
Plugging the unit in I have full control with the IR remote.
Let the unit turn off automatically, then at a later time have it come on automatically due to input, the sub is working though there is no control with the remote (tried both) volume, memory, anything - no control.

Disconect the unit from power for 2-3 hours, then manual power on, control returns with the IR. repeat the above process and I lose control.
Same goes with setting the unit up as a master or slave with RS232.

Through my retailer the local distributor has advised to take it to a repairer so he can check the wiring. In my opinion, this issue is too consistant to be loose wiring.
I'd really like to be without the sub for minimal time as it is functioning and we've just finished our dedicated Theatre.

Any ideas?

Aaron

This does not sound like any issue I have ever heard of before.

If I am understanding you correctly, the subwoofer works perfectly until it goes into standby and it powers back on with auto on feature. Does this occure 100% of the time, or intermittently?

You say the same thing happens in the master slave mode. Is the subwoofer with the issue being placed as the slave? If you connect the video display to the slave subwoofer, does the screen state the subwoofer is in slave mode? In slave mode the IR does not function at all, all commands are relayed from the master sub via the RS-232.
post #8468 of 9019
Hello Rob
Thanks for the prompt reply.

Yes, I'd say that this occurs either every or 99.9% of the time when the sub resumes from sleep when it receives an LFE signal. I cannot think of a situation that it hasn't.
To confirm, the sub will power up and produce LFE just fine, just the sub will not respond (light blink) to any IR commands after it has gone into an auto sleep state.

I've tried it as both master or slave.
In a freshly powered up state as either a master it works as it should - it'll receive commands and pass to slave, or as a slave receive commands (light flashes) from the master.
Problem is consistent is that after auto resume it will not respond as either M or S. As Master it will also not pass on commands to slave.

I'll add - I unplugged the sub for an hour last night. plugged it back in and had full control with the remote.
It's now 9 hours later and I just tried to turn on the sub with the remote. It wont wake.
I'm 99% sure that if I unplug it, give it an hour, then plug it back in, it will respond in full to remote commands and work as it should.

That's the frustration, the sub will wake and produce LFE as it should though just wont respond to the remote till it's powered down for a period of time.
Turning the power on and off for 30 seconds will not fix it, it needs to be an extended period of time.

Rob, if there's any checking that you'd like me to do or take this offline, I'm happy to work with you in attempt to resolve this issue.

Regards

Aaron
post #8469 of 9019
I've bene contacted by local support via my retailer - looks like I'm getting a new Amp.

Fingers crossed.
post #8470 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Azz View Post

I've bene contacted by local support via my retailer - looks like I'm getting a new Amp.

Fingers crossed.

I will also reply to your offline email
post #8471 of 9019
I own the SMS-1 and currently use it with a Definitive Tech PF 15TL+ Sub and a Pioneer VSX-D850S receiver. I will be replacing the old Pioneer with a Denon Denon AVR2112CI which has Audyssey MULTEQ XT. My qusetion is should I still use the SMS-1 if I run the MULTEQ XT? If so should I set up the SMS first or the MULTEQ XT?

Thanks!

BTW I have had my SMS-1 for years and really love it.
post #8472 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post

I own the SMS-1 and currently use it with a Definitive Tech PF 15TL+ Sub and a Pioneer VSX-D850S receiver. I will be replacing the old Pioneer with a Denon Denon AVR2112CI which has Audyssey MULTEQ XT. My qusetion is should I still use the SMS-1 if I run the MULTEQ XT? If so should I set up the SMS first or the MULTEQ XT?

Thanks!

BTW I have had my SMS-1 for years and really love it.

There have been arguments for running them in either order. I generally run the SMS-1 first then let the Audyssey come behind it. If the SMS-1 is perfect, the Audyssey will do nothing in those frequency ranges, if there is a bit more that can be done, it will. Ultimately experimentation will yield the best results.
post #8473 of 9019
Hey, not sure if this is the right thread of not....

But we are in the beginning stages of building a new home theater...

And we were wondering if Velodyne is still the "best" sub out there?

It was 5-10 years ago...

We are looking for 2 18" subs...

post #8474 of 9019
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Hey, not sure if this is the right thread of not....

But we are in the beginning stages of building a new home theater...

And we were wondering if Velodyne is still the "best" sub out there?

It was 5-10 years ago...

We are looking for 2 18" subs...


In my humble opinion, they are the kings of bass.

(And for the record I'm in no way or form affiliated with Velodyne whatsover)
post #8475 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Rob Morse View Post

Based on your preference for two channel listening, your equipment, and room size I would recommend looking at the DS-10 subwoofer. The DS-10 is a limited production subwoofer exclusive to the Velodyne.com web store. The DS-10 is based on the original Digital Drive 10 subwoofer, with an improved user interface, and minus the high gloss finish. Because this subwoofer is sold direct from Velodyne it is available at a great price.

This is out of stock?

I can't find anyplace to get it into my cart on the website.
post #8476 of 9019
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Originally Posted by eljr View Post

This is out of stock?

I can't find anyplace to get it into my cart on the website.

My understanding is the DS-10 is temporarily out of stock and will be available mid June.
post #8477 of 9019
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Originally Posted by HomeTheaterGuy74 View Post

Hey, not sure if this is the right thread of not....

But we are in the beginning stages of building a new home theater...

And we were wondering if Velodyne is still the "best" sub out there?

It was 5-10 years ago...

We are looking for 2 18" subs...


For 29 years now Velodyne has specialized in the manufacturing of some of the highest quality subwoofers around. Our flag ship models, have throughout time, represented the absolute lowest distortion of any subwoofer. Yes there are less expensive subwoofers out there, but few can come close to performing at our level. Best is a relative term, there is best performing, best output levels, best value, best looking, in the end they are all subjective and there will be many opinions. What I know is this, you don't stay in business, especially the speaker business, for 29 years, specializing in subwoofers, if your not doing something right.

Disclaimer: Rob is a paid employee of Velodyne for 7 years now, and over the past 20 years, despite having had several different subwoofers, he has never owned a subwoofer other than a Velodyne.
post #8478 of 9019
Gang,

I'm hoping to get some feedback into troubleshooting a Velodyne DPS12. I purchased this in 2008, so I suppose it's off the warranty. After about 20 minutes once turned on, the unit starts making a loud humming noise in addition to the normal performance. The humming noise almost sounds like continuous thunder - like the unit is amplifying some external noise along with the audio signal. It is loud enough to hear through the entire 3 story house whether or not music is playing, and is subwoofer (and receiver) volume independent. What I mean by that is the volume of the humming is independent of the level at which I play the subwoofer at. The only way to make the humming stop is to turn off the unit for several minutes. When switched back on, the unit plays normally for a few minutes, and then the humming returns. The weird thing is it's clearly responding still to the audio signal so one can hear both the humming and bass notes overlapped.

Based on readings I've done on this forum, I've disconnected all connections to the receiver and just turned on the unit. Same thing happens after 20 minutes - even with no audio input or physical connection to any other device, the units just starts to produce constant loud humming noise. I've also physically moved the unit to a different room with a different power outlet, thinking there was some electrical interference, but the humming occurs again, even when not connected to another device.

I contacted Velodyne support via email, and was simply told it would cost $190 plus shipping to fix the electronics. To be honest, I'm not sure it's worth it - how can I spend another $190+, get only a 6 month warranty, and feel comfortable the same problem won't pop up again? I couldn't get any other response from them and am wondering if this is something I can fix myself?

I have to say I'm really disapointed both in Velodyne's response and in the subwoofer itself. Since I have small kids in the house, I never played the unit at anything other than low listening levels so if anything I've never come close to using this thing to its full potential. This is my first experience with a Velodyne product, and over the years I've never experienced this sort of problem with any of my other audio equipment (multiple receivers, speakers, other units in 25+ years of quality AV purchases). The frustrating thing too is that I always purchase higher-end audio equipment precisely to avoid this sort of problem from happening.

This is a beautiful unit for which I feel I paid a substantial amount of money - certainly enough that I should expect to get more than a few years of listening enjoyment from. I'm hoping there's a simple way to figure out what happened.

Any feedback, even if anyone has insight on if there are some simple fixes with the internal wiring I can look at, would be appreciated!

If nothing else, thanks for taking a look at my ramblings
post #8479 of 9019
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Originally Posted by tubers1 View Post

Gang,

I'm hoping to get some feedback into troubleshooting a Velodyne DPS12. I purchased this in 2008, so I suppose it's off the warranty. After about 20 minutes once turned on, the unit starts making a loud humming noise in addition to the normal performance. The humming noise almost sounds like continuous thunder - like the unit is amplifying some external noise along with the audio signal. It is loud enough to hear through the entire 3 story house whether or not music is playing, and is subwoofer (and receiver) volume independent. What I mean by that is the volume of the humming is independent of the level at which I play the subwoofer at. The only way to make the humming stop is to turn off the unit for several minutes. When switched back on, the unit plays normally for a few minutes, and then the humming returns. The weird thing is it's clearly responding still to the audio signal so one can hear both the humming and bass notes overlapped.

Based on readings I've done on this forum, I've disconnected all connections to the receiver and just turned on the unit. Same thing happens after 20 minutes - even with no audio input or physical connection to any other device, the units just starts to produce constant loud humming noise. I've also physically moved the unit to a different room with a different power outlet, thinking there was some electrical interference, but the humming occurs again, even when not connected to another device.

I contacted Velodyne support via email, and was simply told it would cost $190 plus shipping to fix the electronics. To be honest, I'm not sure it's worth it - how can I spend another $190+, get only a 6 month warranty, and feel comfortable the same problem won't pop up again? I couldn't get any other response from them and am wondering if this is something I can fix myself?

I have to say I'm really disapointed both in Velodyne's response and in the subwoofer itself. Since I have small kids in the house, I never played the unit at anything other than low listening levels so if anything I've never come close to using this thing to its full potential. This is my first experience with a Velodyne product, and over the years I've never experienced this sort of problem with any of my other audio equipment (multiple receivers, speakers, other units in 25+ years of quality AV purchases). The frustrating thing too is that I always purchase higher-end audio equipment precisely to avoid this sort of problem from happening.

This is a beautiful unit for which I feel I paid a substantial amount of money - certainly enough that I should expect to get more than a few years of listening enjoyment from. I'm hoping there's a simple way to figure out what happened.

Any feedback, even if anyone has insight on if there are some simple fixes with the internal wiring I can look at, would be appreciated!

If nothing else, thanks for taking a look at my ramblings

It does sound like there is an issue in the electronics pack, and it would require service. The $190 you were quoted is for a complete electronics rebuild, and is warranted for 1 year.

Unfortunately these issue do occur with electronics regardless of the amount of money spent on them, or how you use them. In fact most failures that occur are not the result of abuse. Due to the nature of electronics, I cannot guarantee that if you repair the electronics, you won't have a problem again in a few years, though one would not expect that to be the case. What I can say though is that the your experience falls significantly short of the benchmarks set by own long term reliability testing.
post #8480 of 9019
Had an 8 year old DD-15 I sold last year and it was still thumpin' hard when I sold it. Never had a problem. Not trying to be rude but just to point out that these subs can be counted on, however, electronics are fickle.
post #8481 of 9019
Thanks for the response, Rob. Unforunately that's about what I expected.

Glashub,

Didn't think that was rude at all. I would note, however, that until I purchased a Velodyne sub, I had the exact same attitude about all my electronics! So, do they make subs with no electronic components

I understand this can happen, but it sucks to be the guy stuck with a lemon, if you know what I mean. If I had gotten at least 5 years out of it, I'd at least feel somewhat ambivalent, but 3 years - come on!

Anyway, this sounds like a great forum and group of readers - appreciate the responses!
post #8482 of 9019
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Originally Posted by tubers1 View Post

Thanks for the response, Rob. Unforunately that's about what I expected.

Glashub,

Didn't think that was rude at all. I would note, however, that until I purchased a Velodyne sub, I had the exact same attitude about all my electronics! So, do they make subs with no electronic components

I understand this can happen, but it sucks to be the guy stuck with a lemon, if you know what I mean. If I had gotten at least 5 years out of it, I'd at least feel somewhat ambivalent, but 3 years - come on!

Anyway, this sounds like a great forum and group of readers - appreciate the responses!

I certainly understand where you are coming from. Why don't you send me your serial number, date of purchase, and where you purchased the unit from via email and we can see if we can't help you out some how. (PM sent)
post #8483 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Rob Morse View Post

I certainly understand where you are coming from. Why don't you send me your serial number, date of purchase, and where you purchased the unit from via email and we can see if we can't help you out some how. (PM sent)

Much appreciated Rob - really appreciate you, and Velodyne, taking an active interest in this. I just replied to your PM, but I'll resend my information to you via email too.

Thanks!
post #8484 of 9019
Hi i would like to setup my subs for stereo bass, my subs have differerent size drivers.

My subs: Velodyne DD12
Velodyne DD15

Is it ok to setup these for stereo.

If i can what is the best way/procedure?

Thank you
post #8485 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Phillips751 View Post

Hi i would like to setup my subs for stereo bass, my subs have differerent size drivers.

My subs: Velodyne DD12
Velodyne DD15

Is it ok to setup these for stereo.

If i can what is the best way/procedure?

Thank you

Since you have different size drivers I would recommend setting up mono bass using the two subs. You could hook up one sub to each channel and run stereo bass, but the sound on each channel is going to be different and you may have a difficult time matching them.
post #8486 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Rob Morse View Post

Since you have different size drivers I would recommend setting up mono bass using the two subs. You could hook up one sub to each channel and run stereo bass, but the sound on each channel is going to be different and you may have a difficult time matching them.

Thank you Rob

Why would it be different sounding other than more max output?

You say time matching please can you elabarate.

My Yamaha Z9 has stereo settings + distance settings for each sub.
post #8487 of 9019
Hi, I have a dd12 sub, shouldn't I be able to use a Global Cache GC-CGX converter cable ( meeting the Xantech standards) to remote control my sub, with signals from my Itach IP-IR gateway???
When I use an ir emitter, it works perfect, but I'll prefer to use the GC-CGX cable, it's more hidden behind the sub.
post #8488 of 9019
I picked up a Velodyne SPL-1500R 2 months ago (got it for $350 new). How does this model rank today, even being several years old?
post #8489 of 9019
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Originally Posted by Phillips751 View Post

Thank you Rob

Why would it be different sounding other than more max output?

You say time matching please can you elabarate.

My Yamaha Z9 has stereo settings + distance settings for each sub.

When you run the subs in stereo, the signal going to each of the subwoofers is unique. Given that the two are different sizes they will have different outputs based on the amount of air each moves. Daisy chaining the subwoofers and running them in mono will eliminate this issue.

Forgive the absent comma; what I meant to say is that you could have a difficult time, matching the subwoofers.
post #8490 of 9019
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Originally Posted by runnernorth View Post

Hi, I have a dd12 sub, shouldn't I be able to use a Global Cache GC-CGX converter cable ( meeting the Xantech standards) to remote control my sub, with signals from my Itach IP-IR gateway???
When I use an ir emitter, it works perfect, but I'll prefer to use the GC-CGX cable, it's more hidden behind the sub.

The Digital Drive series subwoofer's IR input connector is not compatible with Xantech or other brands. It is a proprietary remote eye accessory available from Velodyne.
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