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post #1561 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

These HD channels are not offered by Adelphia in SoCal. See for yourself: Adelphia SoCal HDTV

Those channels are offered in most of SoCal by Adelphia. For us unlucky few that have the older 750MHz systems, we will not get any of the new HD channels until they upgrade to the 850MHz (or better) systems.

My Adelphia head-end used to tell me that they were upgrading the system, but now they they're telling me that TWC might upgrade the system when they take over. Until then I am out of luck.

Sorry to be the deliverer of bad news.
post #1562 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

These HD channels are not offered by Adelphia in SoCal. See for yourself: Adelphia SoCal HDTV

I, too, have all of these in Los Feliz out of the Eagle Rock office.

As for the quality of HBO movies: I'm no expert, to be sure, but I was under the impression that most film is a higher resolution than HiDef, so whether or not the film was "shot in HD" is kind of irrelevant, no? I can't speak to whether or not HBO upconverts everything or not, since I have no idea what sources they use, but generally speaking I'm more than satisfied with the PQ on my 50" DLP.

My gripe with HBO is that they crop nearly all of their material. For this reason, I prefer Showtime, which not only shows almost all OARs but also states whether or not the film is upconverted.
post #1563 of 8618
Arcadia also has what xSmOker mentioned as part of a new HD package deal for $5/mo.
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They really need to hire some new CSR's i suppose since what he told me seems to be COMPLETELY wrong. It is a shame that we are using the old systems and are not able to receive HDNet, Disc, and ESPN-2. I sure hope Time Warner upgrades the system, or i will become one unhappy camper, as they should at least make an EFFORT to provide us with this programming that is available in other areas of SoCal. Those who have the upgraded systems, who was your cable provider before Adelphia took over? We had GTE Americast when we first moved to our house, and Adelphia took over shortly thereafter, i believe it was about 1999-2000 or somewhere around there.

I suspect maybe the false and or misleading information, meaning the info on their site and what the CSR told me, may be due to the fact that they don't want us to know that this other HD programming is available. Perhaps it is because if we are aware that we have out of date systems in our area, many will complain and hassle them until we receive the upgrade. Instead of being forced to upgrade their equipment by angry customers, they probably want to be able to upgrade whenever THEY want to. This makes me mad because they are essentially lying to us, as i would NEVER have found out that Adelphia offers these other HD networks had it not been for this board. No Adelphia paperwork, webinformation, or employee i have had experience with mentioned ANYTHING of the availability of these networks in other areas of SoCal. All i can say is that we better get this upgrade soon.
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

I, too, have all of these in Los Feliz out of the Eagle Rock office.

As for the quality of HBO movies: I'm no expert, to be sure, but I was under the impression that most film is a higher resolution than HiDef, so whether or not the film was "shot in HD" is kind of irrelevant, no? I can't speak to whether or not HBO upconverts everything or not, since I have no idea what sources they use, but generally speaking I'm more than satisfied with the PQ on my 50" DLP.

My gripe with HBO is that they crop nearly all of their material. For this reason, I prefer Showtime, which not only shows almost all OARs but also states whether or not the film is upconverted.

High Definition IS better quality than film, that's the whole point of it. It's resolutions are similar to that of high quality movie film, but slightly greater and there is the huge advantage of HD being digital video. HBO DOES upconvert their movies that are shown on the HBO HD channel, although movies and or shows actually produced by HBO may have been shot in HD.
post #1565 of 8618
Thread Starter 
Adelphia may not upgrade your system before the TWC purchase but perhaps they could be persuaded to drop some of the east coast time feeds of the multi pay channel packages on your lineup to make room for the HD networks that have already been added to the other So Cal Adelphia systems.
post #1566 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

These HD channels are not offered by Adelphia in SoCal. See for yourself: Adelphia SoCal HDTV

Yes they do! I have them. (but only HBO on the premiums, for me)
post #1567 of 8618
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Originally Posted by bgooch View Post

Adelphia may not upgrade your system before the TWC purchase but perhaps they could be persuaded to drop some of the east coast time feeds of the multi pay channel packages on your lineup to make room for the HD networks that have already been added to the other So Cal Adelphia systems.

I doubt it, Adelphia will rarely jump through hoops for a customer. Anyway, i doubt getting rid of those few channels would free up enough bandwidth for several more HD channels.
post #1568 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post


High Definition IS better quality than film, that's the whole point of it. It's resolutions are similar to that of high quality movie film, but slightly greater and there is the huge advantage of HD being digital video. HBO DOES upconvert their movies that are shown on the HBO HD channel, although movies and or shows actually produced by HBO may have been shot in HD.

HD is NO WHERE NEAR the resolution quality of film. Get your information in order. As digital video gets better and better, filmed material can be recaptured and will look better and better.
post #1569 of 8618
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Originally Posted by joe221 View Post

HD is NO WHERE NEAR the resolution quality of film. Get your information in order. As digital video gets better and better, filmed material can be recaptured and will look better and better.

Thank you.
post #1570 of 8618
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Originally Posted by jasonvr View Post

Funny, I am in Anaheim and I have everything that xSm0ker mentioned as well as what you mentioned twitchee, regardless of what is on the website.

Out here in the Inland Empire in Ontario/Chino we do NOT have those extra HD channels. I called Adelphia about a month and a half ago when I heard they first started offering the "extra" HD channel package and all they could tell me was they weren't available out here in my area yet and I would be informed if and when they were available. At this point in time I've given up on getting them.
post #1571 of 8618
Hi Board
I want to hook up the BMC9022D to my Sony TV through the HDMI input. Before I buy a DVI to HDMI adapter cable I was wondering whether the DVI out works on these new Moxi boxes? I believe I read some where that the DVI output
on the SoCal Moxi boxes dont work properly and need some kind of software update. Has any one out there tried to use a DVI to HDMI hookup? And if so does it work properly and is the PQ better or worst than the component hookup?
post #1572 of 8618
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Originally Posted by cctaximan View Post

Hi Board
I want to hook up the BMC9022D to my Sony TV through the HDMI input. Before I buy a DVI to HDMI adapter cable I was wondering whether the DVI out works on these new Moxi boxes? I believe I read some where that the DVI output
on the SoCal Moxi boxes dont work properly and need some kind of software update. Has any one out there tried to use a DVI to HDMI hookup? And if so does it work properly and is the PQ better or worst than the component hookup?

Yeah it works.
I just got my 9022D on Monday and am using component and DVI. I HIGHLY doubt that DVI will be worse (PQ wise) than component................whether it will be significantly better, THAT is probably VERY display dependent and you may have to do an A/B comparison on your own unless you can find somebody on this forum with your TV and the Moxi 9022D.
post #1573 of 8618
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Originally Posted by cctaximan View Post

Hi Board
I want to hook up the BMC9022D to my Sony TV through the HDMI input. Before I buy a DVI to HDMI adapter cable I was wondering whether the DVI out works on these new Moxi boxes? I believe I read some where that the DVI output
on the SoCal Moxi boxes dont work properly and need some kind of software update. Has any one out there tried to use a DVI to HDMI hookup? And if so does it work properly and is the PQ better or worst than the component hookup?

The DVI does work, and HD will look better, but SD probably won't look all that good as DVI does not support SD's native resolution of 480i and the Moxi will upscale SD, which it does a bad job of, to 720p or 1080i to transmit over HDMI/DVI. The most convenient video interface for HD STB's remains the component, as it will transmit all standard resolutions: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i.
post #1574 of 8618
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Originally Posted by joe221 View Post

HD is NO WHERE NEAR the resolution quality of film. Get your information in order. As digital video gets better and better, filmed material can be recaptured and will look better and better.

Have the specs for standard movie film resolutions?

Although VERY high grade films can be used to capture images at up to 6,000 dpi, usually motion picture studios do not use this caliber of equipment. The standard HD resolution is 1920x1080 dpi, although this is the DOWNGRADED digital resolutions that are used to transmit via coaxial cable to home receivers. You cannot compare the HIGHEST grades of film capture with the type of digital and HD transmissions available in your home. Very soon movies will be captured through digital means, and i assure you when you go to the movie theaters you will not be able to tell the difference.

I will admit that i may have been quick to proclaim that HD has a slightly higher resolution than film, however similar quality can be attained, and i would have to say since you did not post a rebuttal but simply a "you're wrong" type of statement, it seems perhaps you did not have your "information in order" any more than i did. just kidding.
post #1575 of 8618
Thanks for the info guys. I'am probably going to save some money and keep using the component hookup. I've been out pricing some of those DVI to HDMI cables and most of them cost close to a 100 dollars.
post #1576 of 8618
Thread Starter 
Bondholders Threaten Adelphia Deal

By Mike Farrell 4/20/2006 4:25:00 PM

A group of Adelphia Communications Corp. bondholders made moves to throw a wrench into the cable company's efforts to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy and execute a $16.9 billion sale to Time Warner Inc. and Comcast Corp., sending a letter to Adelphia's board of directors criticizing its latest reorganization plan.

Adelphia's ACC holding-company bondholders said they're dissatisfied with a plan released earlier this month that Adelphia had hoped would speed up the bankruptcy process.

Holders of Adelphia' Arahova operating-company notes would receive $1.04 for every $1 of debt they are owed, and ACC holding-company debtors would receive 14 cents-43 cents for every dollar owed.

We will vote against the so-called settlement plan filed with the bankruptcy court last week, the letter stated. Thus, the settlement plan will not be approved by our class and cannot take effect. This outcome should have been obvious to you when you approved the filing of the settlement plan.

The letter was signed by 11 separate noteholders, including major hedge funds Highfields Capital Management LP, Tudor Investment Corp. and Fortress Investment Group LLC.

Adelphia is under the gun to settle the four-year-old bankruptcy case due to a provision in its deal with Time Warner and Comcast that sets a deadline of July 31 to seal the transaction.

While it is unlikely that Time Warner and Comcast would walk away from the deal if they believed progress was being made, the deadline still looms.

To counter the possibility that bondholders would never agree, Adelphia also proposed in the amended reorganization plan that in lieu of a settlement, the bankruptcy court invoke a hold-back provision that would allow the company to be sold while the bondholders negotiate how the money will be dispensed separately.

In the April 17 letter, ACC holding-company bondholders asserted that the amended reorganization plan panders to the Arahova noteholders, whom, the holding company noteholders claimed, are junior to most other debtholders.

The ACC holding-company bondholders also claimed in the letter, though, that they have been open to an earlier hold-back provision, which they said would allow the sale to Time Warner and Comcast to go through.

That earlier hold-back provision would appear to push the Arahova bondholders to the back of the line in terms of getting paid.

The holding-company bondholders said they were the only class to accept the hold-back plan disseminated last fall.

We remain supportive of that plan and believe that your full attention should be devoted to its confirmation, the letter stated. Since the settlement plan cannot be confirmed, we urge you not to divert further precious time and resources to it.

Adelphia officials declined to comment.

A vote on the reorganization plan is scheduled for May 14, although executives familiar with the bankruptcy said that given the fact that the voting date has already changed several times, it could be pushed into early June.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/...=Breaking+News
post #1577 of 8618
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Originally Posted by cctaximan View Post

Thanks for the info guys. I'am probably going to save some money and keep using the component hookup. I've been out pricing some of those DVI to HDMI cables and most of them cost close to a 100 dollars.

Here's a tip, ebay. I needed a 10 foot HDMI to DVI cable and i purchased a gold plated product that works FLAWLESSLY on ebay for less than $11 shipped and taxed. Look for a power seller with a great approval rating who sells a lot of A/V equpment, and or cables. And make sure you check the shipping and tax before you order. Just because they are "Monster Cables" doesn't mean they are better than generic cables, and i can personally attest to this.
post #1578 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

Have the specs for standard movie film resolutions?

Generically?............4000-6000 lines of resolution.

However .........even though film negatives can capture details equivalent to 4000-6000 lines of resolution, negatives for major motion pictures are too valuable for telecine mechanical/optical conversion to tape or hard drives.

So film prints of varying quality are used for telecines. While telecines can capture good details from prints, especially with machines operating at 4k (roughly double 1920X1080 resolution), more often the 1080/24p master tapes are captured at about 1920X1080.

So.......... while the HD D5 tapes often used can store non-sampled test pattern and computer-generated images resolvable at 1920X1080 equivalents, sampled telecines from your average feature film deliver less detail.
post #1579 of 8618
Ooops,
I see you edited after I read, while taking time to eat dinner, and were making a rhetorical question.

Twitchee3, that's not nice to sandbag.
post #1580 of 8618
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man View Post

Ooops,
I see you edited after I read, while taking time to eat dinner, and were making a rhetorical question.

Twitchee3, that's not nice to sandbag.

Sorry.
post #1581 of 8618
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post #1582 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

These HD channels are not offered by Adelphia in SoCal. See for yourself: Adelphia SoCal HDTV

Most of SoCal does get the HD tier package now. I have had it since day one (march 1st). I am in the Glendora area.
post #1583 of 8618
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Originally Posted by yarrumc View Post

Most of SoCal does get the HD tier package now. I have had it since day one (march 1st). I am in the Glendora area.

My local office has not even mentioned this, nor do they show up on our program guide.
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Anyone in Ventura County, or Camarillo (??) know when the HD Tier package (HD Net, Discovery HD, HD Net Movies, etc.) will be available around here? We just bought 2 brand new TV's, got 2 Moxi's, and ordered HBO and ESPN HD to get all the HD content we can, but we can't justify ordering Showtime, and this HD Tier package sounds great, as we really don't have a LOT of HD content that we actually watch.

Anyone have any info, or perhaps a legitimate Adelphia SoCal contact?
post #1585 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

Anyone in Ventura County, or Camarillo (??) know when the HD Tier package (HD Net, Discovery HD, HD Net Movies, etc.) will be available around here? We just bought 2 brand new TV's, got 2 Moxi's, and ordered HBO and ESPN HD to get all the HD content we can, but we can't justify ordering Showtime, and this HD Tier package sounds great, as we really don't have a LOT of HD content that we actually watch.

Anyone have any info, or perhaps a legitimate Adelphia SoCal contact?

I've called CS numerous times asking this and they keep telling me a couple of more weeks. I was told last year by a tech we are on the old 750mhz system and no more HD can be added till they upgrade this area. I know when calling the CS line they have no idea what's really going on. I was hoping they might drop some channels like the east coast feeds on some of the premium channels and free up some space for more HD.

It is very frustrating when somebody in the next county over has all these extra HD channels but we can't get them.

Jim
post #1586 of 8618
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

Anyone in Ventura County, or Camarillo (??) know when the HD Tier package (HD Net, Discovery HD, HD Net Movies, etc.) will be available around here?

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Originally Posted by motoman View Post

It is very frustrating when somebody in the next county over has all these extra HD channels but we can't get them

It's not all of Ventura County. I get them in Moorpark.
post #1587 of 8618
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Originally Posted by xSm0ker View Post

It's not all of Ventura County. I get them in Moorpark.

Now don't rub it in
post #1588 of 8618
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Originally Posted by motoman View Post

I've called CS numerous times asking this and they keep telling me a couple of more weeks. I was told last year by a tech we are on the old 750mhz system and no more HD can be added till they upgrade this area. I know when calling the CS line they have no idea what's really going on. I was hoping they might drop some channels like the east coast feeds on some of the premium channels and free up some space for more HD.

It is very frustrating when somebody in the next county over has all these extra HD channels but we can't get them.

Jim

I just talked to a tech in camarillo last week and he said no set date but who knew ojai had it and moorpark.

Don't hold your breath it will be anytime soon. Maybe a few more price increases and we'll see them.
post #1589 of 8618
Thread Starter 
April 27, 2006
By Rocky Mountain News http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...655350,00.html

Adelphia Communications Corp., the bankrupt cable operator, won court approval to pay $1.23 billion in interest to unsecured creditors under its proposed plan to exit bankruptcy.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Gerber in New York said the interest payments were fair and appropriate for creditors who
have waited to get paid since Adelphia filed for bankruptcy in June 2002. Several creditor groups opposed Adelphia's proposal, arguing the company was either paying too much or too little.

The interest will be paid provided Gerber approves the company's plan to exit bankruptcy. The centerpiece of the plan
is Greenwood Village, Colorado-based Adelphia's proposed $17.6 billion asset sale to Time Warner Inc. and Comcast Corp.
post #1590 of 8618
Has anyone in SoCal with a Moxi from Adelphia received the latest update with the 480p resolution enabled. Many other users around the country, and the Digeo rep, have said that there is a new 480p update being released for the Moxi that will supposedly improve the display of SD content.
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