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post #7501 of 8618
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

I may be off base here, but your question sounds like you're trying to get an "analog" tuner (e.g. in an old analog VCR) to work, connecting a cable coax directly to that box and you have to set "cable/antenna type".

I believe cable systems are all-digital now. In fact, what is needed is a digital-capable tuner capable of using the digital "QAM" method of tuning which is what TWC and all other cable systems deliver, not STD, HRC or IRC which are analog. New TV's with built-in digital tuners are capable of accepting this digital QAM method, at least for non-encrypted free OTA channels that get delivered by TWC over coax. If the TV's are cablecard-enabled then you can also tune to encrypted QAM channels.

But the modern tuners in TVs are digital QAM tuners for cable-delivered source, not analog STD, HRC or IRC. If you had a roof antenna connected to "antenna input" of a new digital-tuner TV, that digital tuner in the TV would be of a type named 8VSB in order to pick off the digital OTA programs from the roof antenna. But the cable companies deliver their digital signals over coax using digital QAM technology (not analog STD, HRC or IRC) . So today, a modern TV that can accept free OTA roof antenna input (for OTA digital) supports 8VSB tuning, and if it also supports digital cable company coax input then it also has a QAM tuner. In fact, these TVs even have TWO coax inputs... one for digital OTA antenna input and one for digital cable coax input, for exactly this reason. Separate 8VSB and QAM digital tuners. No more analog.

These old STD/HRC/IRC settings for tuner-type no longer apply. For example, the old analog NBC/4 is now delivered by TWC as digital 480i (SD) on TWC channel 4, and the new digital NBC/4.1 1080i (HD) is delivered on 404 (which is the TWC-provided equivalent of digital OTA 4.1). In fact, I don't even think that NBC delivers the SD 480i channel, either OTA or to TWC. I think TWC actually "center-cuts" the 4:3 image out of the one and only 1080i 16:9 image provided by NBC and then downconverts the 1080i signal to 480i for delivery as "channel 4" on their coax. But it's delivered digitally, not analog... as digital 480i 4:3 on channel 4.

I believe you now need a STB/DVR if you want to receive what look like old fashioned analog 4:3 SD channels on an old TV or VCR. The external STB/DVR will deliver 4:3 analog output either over "channel 3" (via RF coax) or over video output (S-video or composite) to an old TV or VCR.

America went "all digital TV" last year. Feb 2009, delayed to June 2009. Old analog equipment is no longer supported directly. Either upgrade to new digital equipment, or buy/rent STB/DVR tuning adapter interfaces that accept new digital source signals and deliver old fashioned analog output to old fashioned analog equipment.

Thanks for the response. I know about the whole digital transition and was ready for it since 2007 -- that's when I purchased first HDTV.

Anyway, I just purchased a new HDTV computer monitor (Samsung B2330HD) and during the setup process, it asks to choose a cable system type for both digital and analog cable. This is my first TV with a QAM (?) tuner and was confused with the whole STD/HRC/IRC thing. Well, I kind of figured that STD stood for standard and not the other thing.
post #7502 of 8618
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Thanks for the clarifications.

I'm speculating that these "outlying" areas may have been former Adelphia areas, with Scientific Atlanta infrastructure.

As a side note, I'm former Adelphia (Los Feliz/Silverlake) but had always had Moto boxes (Adelphia or TWC). Dunno if that makes a difference with the 'infrastructure'?
post #7503 of 8618
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

As a side note, I'm former Adelphia (Los Feliz/Silverlake) but had always had Moto boxes (Adelphia or TWC). Dunno if that makes a difference with the 'infrastructure'?

Could have been MOXI boxes. I have a friend up in Oxnard that also was former Adelphia and had an older MOXI box, not a Scientific Atlanta box.

I believe these MOXI boxes were indeed Motorola-based. Model number was BMC9012 I believe. So that would suggest a Motorola infrastructure in that location, though perhaps not quite with the same channel-capacity capability as the Motorola infrastructure found in more densely populated areas.
post #7504 of 8618
Yes, the MOXI box was Motorola. I had one of the originals. Piece of garbage. Constantly locking up, finally wasn't able to hold a decent signal. One afternoon I had 3 techs at once in my living room trying to figure it out, lol (they couldn't - no surprise). Long story short, had it removed and thus started my adventure with media PCs.
post #7505 of 8618
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Could have been MOXI boxes. I have a friend up in Oxnard that also was former Adelphia and had an older MOXI box, not a Scientific Atlanta box.

I believe these MOXI boxes were indeed Motorola-based. Model number was BMC9012 I believe. So that would suggest a Motorola infrastructure in that location, though perhaps not quite with the same channel-capacity capability as the Motorola infrastructure found in more densely populated areas.

Correct.

Most of Ventura County had Adelphia with MOXI boxes.

BTW, I liked the MOXI box better than the current Moto box; it was much more versatile.
post #7506 of 8618
Yes, it was a Moto box w/MOXI software/firmware.

While the Moto part was somewhat of a POS (locking up, crashing), I did prefer the MOXI interface better. Especially the part where there was no F*%#%$ckng advertising in the guide that you have to scroll through to get to the next page
post #7507 of 8618
Thread Starter 
ahh the good ol days ...NOT

I must of went through at least 3 different Moxi boxes & untold how many "service calls". In my area (Echo Park) upstreaming data would stop working so Moxi couldn't call home and without that the guide info kept running out.

Wish we knew more about the SDV roll out. The Eagle Rock SDV must have landed like a rock. I just hope they get the PQ restored. For crying out loud even when things are functioning - during the Price is Right the picture is degraded. It is distracting.
post #7508 of 8618
Thread Starter 
There is a link to "L.A.'s Cable Consolidation Map" near the top of the first post of this thread. It shows who the previous operators were.
post #7509 of 8618
I used to connect my cable coax directly to my Sony TV and scan for OTA channels and pick up quite a few channels, all those 101.3 and 104.5 etc... ones. Since my TV has PIP I used to watch 2 football games in HD by tuning the cable box on HDMI1 to one game and the TV input to the OTA HD channels I picked up.
But since the new football season began, I can not get the TV to scan for any OTA channels, nothing is found anytime I do a scan. I know for a fact that it used to work last year during the football season.
My question is what changed since last year, is going to full digital did this to me?
post #7510 of 8618
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Could have been MOXI boxes. I have a friend up in Oxnard that also was former Adelphia and had an older MOXI box, not a Scientific Atlanta box.

I believe these MOXI boxes were indeed Motorola-based. Model number was BMC9012 I believe. So that would suggest a Motorola infrastructure in that location, though perhaps not quite with the same channel-capacity capability as the Motorola infrastructure found in more densely populated areas.

Actually they are at 1GHz or 860MHz as the former adelphia systems go out to CH 135 861MHz according to silicondust

Moorpark(SDV is on 79-86):
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun...lineup_3436834

Anaheim:
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun...lineup_3398709

Gardena 750MHz (former comcast):
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun...lineup_3398665

TWC upgraded the former adelphia LA areas and the Dallas metro to 860MHz/1GHz after the adelphia/comcast transaction.
post #7511 of 8618
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Originally Posted by beri486 View Post

I used to connect my cable coax directly to my Sony TV and scan for OTA channels and pick up quite a few channels, all those 101.3 and 104.5 etc... ones. Since my TV has PIP I used to watch 2 football games in HD by tuning the cable box on HDMI1 to one game and the TV input to the OTA HD channels I picked up.
But since the new football season began, I can not get the TV to scan for any OTA channels, nothing is found anytime I do a scan. I know for a fact that it used to work last year during the football season.
My question is what changed since last year, is going to full digital did this to me?

Of course you pick cable for the scan (not antenna). I have a small HD TV that needs a very strong signal to find stations during a scan and when I need to rescan I need to run a line directly to the drop. You should not have to rescan anyway, channel lay-out should not have changed. /Dan
post #7512 of 8618
TWC - Riverside, CA - Motorola DCX 3432

I have always had basic (no box) but upgraded since they have raised the basic price close to the digital price.

I am on my 3rd box in 3 months (hardware failure each time)

On 10/19/10 I had 5 EAS warnings.

2 were in the same hour so both programs being recorded were split into 3 pieces.

1 of those was an NBA game. In addition to the 2 'take over the whole screen and audio' EAS warnings they also ran a ticker EAS warning. Not bad except they overrode the audio of the game with the ticker.

3 other warnings split those programs into 2 pieces.

Each time a program is split it has chunks missing.

The warnings were because it was raining, BFD.

Called my brother nearby, he has Directv, he has never seen an EAS in the 8 years he has had it.

Apparently Directv only has to do EAS on the national level while TWC does it for national, state and local.

Got these a couple times a few months ago because it was hot outside.

So now I get to look forward to my tv being hijacked by the government because it's raining or too hot?

Is there anything that can be done about this?

tia
post #7513 of 8618
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Originally Posted by tomanystraydogs View Post

So now I get to look forward to my tv being hijacked by the government because it's raining or too hot?

Is there anything that can be done about this?

tia

Not convinced it's the gov. forcing TWC to do it, or 'how' to do it.

If so, wouldn't we see the warnings on local broadcast stations OTA?

I got an EAS for an Amber alert, split my Fringe recording into 2 with chunks missing. BTW, the Amber alert ended up being a custody dispute (never saw a program interruption on broadcast OTA for an Amber alert).

Complain to TWC.
post #7514 of 8618
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Not convinced it's the gov. forcing TWC to do it, or 'how' to do it.

If so, wouldn't we see the warnings on local broadcast stations OTA?

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The EAS covers AM, FM and Land Mobile Radio Service, as well as VHF, UHF and cable television including low-power stations. Digital television and cable providers, along with Sirius XM satellite radio, Worldspace, IBOC, DAB and digital radio broadcasters have been required to participate in the EAS since December 31, 2006.

DirecTV, Dish Network, Muzak, DMX Music, Music Choice and all other DBS providers have been required to participate since May 31, 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Alert_System

I don't have OTA but that's a good question.

When u got the EAS during Fringe was that Sat night? If so I am not recording at that time so that maybe why I missed it.

I don't mind about REAL emergency's, a nuke going off, city leveled by an earthquake, etc.., but getting 5 in one day (2 in 1 hour) because it's raining is a bit much.
post #7515 of 8618
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Originally Posted by tomanystraydogs View Post

When u got the EAS during Fringe was that Sat night? If so I am not recording at that time so that maybe why I missed it.
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It was Thurs oct 7th, primetime. The Sat. night ones are repeats about 6+ episodes behind I think?

A day or 2 after the Fringe incident, I had set a recording for a movie starting around 1am. The next day I saw that it too had been broken into 2 recordings, likely an EAS again, and again, chunk of a scene missing in a movie that isn't repeating (at least as far as a schedule search shows).

The worst thing about constantly interrupting programming with EAS's about Amber Alerts (custody disputes), rain, etc., is that it's becoming a 'cry wolf' thing. When a REAL emergency warning flashes up, no one is gonna pay attention....
post #7516 of 8618
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

It was Thurs oct 7th, primetime. The Sat. night ones are repeats about 6+ episodes behind I think?

A day or 2 after the Fringe incident, I had set a recording for a movie starting around 1am. The next day I saw that it too had been broken into 2 recordings, likely an EAS again, and again, chunk of a scene missing in a movie that isn't repeating (at least as far as a schedule search shows).

The worst thing about constantly interrupting programming with EAS's about Amber Alerts (custody disputes), rain, etc., is that it's becoming a 'cry wolf' thing. When a REAL emergency warning flashes up, no one is gonna pay attention....

Regarding EAS for Amber alerts: does it make sense for this to be on tv? I guess if the SUV mentioned in the alert drives through my living room I'll call 911.
post #7517 of 8618
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Originally Posted by jiffyspam View Post

Regarding EAS for Amber alerts: does it make sense for this to be on tv? I guess if the SUV mentioned in the alert drives through my living room I'll call 911.

It makes Absolutely NO sense!

That's why I bitched about it back on Oct 7th
post #7518 of 8618
Yep, no sense at all.

Same with telling me it's raining in Oxnard when I'm in Riverside.

Fracking EAS, leave my tv alone!
post #7519 of 8618
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Originally Posted by kevin120 View Post

Gardena 750MHz (former comcast):

I don't know why this bad info keeps getting propogated. Most of the South Bay has always been 'Time Warner' (nee Paragon and Westinghouse). IIRC some of the beach cities (El Segundo and ???) were AT&T and its predecessors/successors (Comcast?). Now back to the show ...

TWC could handle the EAS messages better if they can receive more detailed location information. Unfortunately, the message encoding doesn't seem to go below the county level - grrrrrr. No wonder I'm always getting flash flood messages on Accuweather when I'm nowhere near any flood zone in L.A. county.
post #7520 of 8618
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Originally Posted by DiveFan View Post

TWC could handle the EAS messages better if they can receive more detailed location information. Unfortunately, the message encoding doesn't seem to go below the county level - grrrrrr. No wonder I'm always getting flash flood messages when I'm nowhere near any mountain or river in L.A. county.

Shouldn't the whole program NOT be interrupted for something like Amber alerts, flash flooding, etc., regardless if it's in your area? I can handle a ticker scroll at the worst, like what I've seen on broadcast tv. I've only experienced EAS full program interruption as tests on broadcast TV (very rare btw), and never have seen a REAL EAS being used with the exception of TWC's, which has only happened recently (in the last few months).

I also noticed that TWC's EAS 'tests', seem to happen every week (around 2-3am I guess), and I'm sometimes recording something then. On broadcast I seem to remember it being about once a month for the tests?
post #7521 of 8618
I think I read somewhere ticker scrolls aren't possible with hidef resolutions. Is that true?
post #7522 of 8618
Anyone else expreiencing reception problems on HD channels? Specifically, 402 - 405 - CBS, NBC, etc...; bad pixelization & smearing. Tried rebooting the box - not change...

Just curious if it's just me or more widespread...

Thanks,

Barry
post #7523 of 8618
Barry, things look fine here (Los Feliz - Eagle Rock).
post #7524 of 8618
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Barry, things look fine here (Los Feliz - Eagle Rock).

Thanks! Actually, shortly after I posted that msg, the picture froze for a few minutes & when it came back, all was well. Seems OK now here as well. Guess it was a temporary glitch...

Thanks again for the response!

Barry
post #7525 of 8618
Is there a way to know whether pic problems are cable based or DVR (HD) based?

When ever it happens to me, I never know whether to blame TWC or the DVR HD.
post #7526 of 8618
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

I also noticed that TWC's EAS 'tests', seem to happen every week (around 2-3am I guess)

Got a test about 3:30am this morning, right as I was dosing off.
post #7527 of 8618
Ugh, another Amber alert at 2:30am
post #7528 of 8618
Another EAS test about 4:30 am

That's two days in a row for a test

"This is LA county Sheriff Lee Baca"

Not my county and not my sheriff.
post #7529 of 8618
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Ugh, another Amber alert at 2:30am

Did u at least bother to check around your house?

Come on man, do your part to help
post #7530 of 8618
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Originally Posted by bkushin View Post

Anyone else expreiencing reception problems on HD channels? Specifically, 402 - 405 - CBS, NBC, etc...; bad pixelization & smearing. Tried rebooting the box - not change...

Just curious if it's just me or more widespread...

Thanks,

Barry


Barry...in Ventura County, I've experienced all the above on most HD channels for the past 4-6 weeks.
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