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post #14131 of 14333
Hi all.

Just joined this forum, and as someone else noted, there seems to be a lot of experience here.

Just got an Antennas Direct Clearstream 2V and mounted it in the attic.

As I scanned a few times, working with a compass to get the set just right, I had the same experience about the placement of the head...

small changes can really have an impact.

I'm not finished fiddling with it, and I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I enjoy not paying for television. I've never had cable and haven't yet found something so motivating to pay month after month after month...

I was able to get 35 channels after some tweaking.... I tried to direct the face of the antenna north and catch some of the stronger signal on the back of the unit, but I've not had much luck.

Lex (54x) comes in clearly, Cincy stuff as well.

Happy with the CET in HD also.

Not sure how I'd make the antenna work with FM, so if anyone can add a few words of guidance, I'd be open to learning.

Ha. The very funny and cool part of this is that I've had conversations with friends who are pining to learn more and cut the $100+ dollar expense from their lives.

I had a great Channel Master (Monster?) antenna in the attic of another dwelling that flat kicked BUTT! It was massive, but under wraps in the attic, so dealing with it on the occasions I had to get up there were worth the killer signal I got.

I also am using RG6 Quad with compression fittings and, so far, I'm enjoying what I see.

$30 for a 2V in pristine condition ( thanks Craigs List) works like crazy for me.

Some 3/4" plastic electrical conduit and a couple of clamps and I'm set.

NOW...TO CONVERT OTHERS!!!

Thanks for having me along!

String
post #14132 of 14333
Here a handy calculator to find out if you can get a satellite, http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/Satellite-Heading-Calculator.htm just put in you address and the satellite you want to get and you can see if trees and other things that are in the path. It will also show the distance and height to clear an object. We use it all the time. Also the company's web page it's on sells all the FTA equipment at reasonable prices.
post #14133 of 14333
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Originally Posted by wkrp View Post

Here a handy calculator to find out if you can get a satellite, http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/Satellite-Heading-Calculator.htm just put in you address and the satellite you want to get and you can see if trees and other things that are in the path. It will also show the distance and height to clear an object. We use it all the time. Also the company's web page it's on sells all the FTA equipment at reasonable prices.

I used to visit Jamal at Sadoun when he was in Columbus. I told him I wished he hadn't moved to Texas. Most of my original satellite equipment came from Sadoun. Six foot dish and the eight foot dish both. Micro Hd receiver came from Satellite Av. Imported but firmware was done by the owner Brian. Nothing like buying something with support in the U.S.A Dish Pointer.com is a great place to calculate if a signal is available as well. It's probably what's on Sadoun's site. I've used Tv Fool a lot with OTA stuff. I've got an acre out here in the country with five dishes and my outdoor antenna mounted on a 30' pole...always wanted a few used tower sections to put together but haven't got around to it. There was a guy on Rt 28 south of me that did Tv repair etc about ten years ago. They had a tower that I'm guessing is 75-100 tall. It still has four yagi antennas. Each antenna is pointed in a different direction. The shop is long gone but the set up is still outside. Talk about getting above the tree line! Splicer may know where I'm talking about.
post #14134 of 14333
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Originally Posted by Stringdriver View Post

Hi all.

Just joined this forum, and as someone else noted, there seems to be a lot of experience here.

Just got an Antennas Direct Clearstream 2V and mounted it in the attic.

As I scanned a few times, working with a compass to get the set just right, I had the same experience about the placement of the head...

small changes can really have an impact.

I'm not finished fiddling with it, and I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I enjoy not paying for television. I've never had cable and haven't yet found something so motivating to pay month after month after month...

I was able to get 35 channels after some tweaking.... I tried to direct the face of the antenna north and catch some of the stronger signal on the back of the unit, but I've not had much luck.

Lex (54x) comes in clearly, Cincy stuff as well.

Happy with the CET in HD also.

Not sure how I'd make the antenna work with FM, so if anyone can add a few words of guidance, I'd be open to learning.

Ha. The very funny and cool part of this is that I've had conversations with friends who are pining to learn more and cut the $100+ dollar expense from their lives.

I had a great Channel Master (Monster?) antenna in the attic of another dwelling that flat kicked BUTT! It was massive, but under wraps in the attic, so dealing with it on the occasions I had to get up there were worth the killer signal I got.

I also am using RG6 Quad with compression fittings and, so far, I'm enjoying what I see.

$30 for a 2V in pristine condition ( thanks Craigs List) works like crazy for me.

Some 3/4" plastic electrical conduit and a couple of clamps and I'm set.

NOW...TO CONVERT OTHERS!!!

Thanks for having me along!

String

Sounds like you're getting a good signal...Channel54 is in Covington, Ky..I thought the tower was in Taylor Mill...I could be wrong on the tower location though.
post #14135 of 14333
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Originally Posted by Nitewatchman View Post

Welcome!


This is the place for discussing all issues related to HD in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.



Cincinnati DMA Station list/info :



Note : Remapped virtual channel #'s in parentheses, stations listed with minor channels as "x" multicast.



Full Service DTV Stations :



WLWT-DT 35 (5-x) - NBC HD - http://www.channelcincinnati.com/

WCPO-DT 22 (9-x) - ABC HD - http://www.wcpo-dt.com/

WKRC-DT 12 (12-x) - CBS HD/CW SD - http://www.wkrc.com

WPTO-DT 28 (14-x) - PBS HD/ThinkTV - http://www.thinktv.org

WXIX-DT 29 (19-x) - FOX HD - http://www.fox19.com

WCET-DT 34 (48-x) - PBS HD - http://www.cetconnect.org/digital/

WKON-DT 44 (52-x) KET - PBS HD- http://www.ket.org/dtv

WCVN-DT 24 (54-x) KET - PBS HD - http://www.ket.org/dtv

WSTR-DT 33 (64-x) - My Network TV HD - http://www.wb64.net/



Low Power Digital Stations On air


LPTV DTV Stations


WBQC-LD 47 (25-x) - IND - "WKRP" - http://www.wkrp.tv/

LP DTV Translators


W20CT-D (38-x) KET LP DTV Translator, Augusta, KY - http://www.ket.org/dtv

W23DM-D (52-x) KET LP DTV translator, Falmouth KY - http://www.ket.org/dtv


Other Info :


WKRC-DT CW subchannel note :


WKRC-DT offers CW network programming on a SD multicast subchannel.


CW HD programming is available OTA to Cincinnati viewers who can receive them from CW affiliate, WBDT-DT, Dayton. WBDT-DT 26 predicted service area map is here :

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DT1251282.html




Cincinnati area low power stations info :


In August 2007, FCC granted WOTH-LP a Construction permit for Digital companion channel 20 -- 15Kw ERP from WCPO tower.


WDYC-LD 36 - Daystar LP (Was previously TBN LP Translator) - Has a Digital Flash Cut Construction Permit ....




Tower/Coverage area notes:


WXIX, WLWT/WCET, WCPO and WKRC towers are located near Downtown Cincinnati. WXIX tower a bit west of downtown, WLWT/WCET in Clifton, and WCPO/WKRC towers a Bit East of Downtown Near I-71. WPTO-DT is transmitting from WXIX tower, while their analog station transmits from Oxford, the other digital stations in the area transmit off same tower as their analog station. WLWT/WCET share the same tower, WBQC/WOTH LP's broadcast from WCPO's tower.


WSTR tower is a few Miles North of Downtown, WCVN tower is in Taylor Mill KY.


For the most part, the Cincinnati/N KY area DTV/Analog stations generally have around a 55-65 Mile radius coverage area or so, exceptions being:


WCVN-DT (General Coverage area around 30~45 Miles or so) and The Low power stations, whose coverage area varies greatly depending upon their purpose .. The KET LP translators for instance are designed to serve very small areas which aren't covered well by the Full Power KET stations, while WBQC/WOTH coverage area reaches out 30~45 miles or so ....


WKOI Note :


WKOI Tower is Between Oxford+Trenton Ohio, some 30 Miles SSE of their Community of License, Richmond, IN. Since Richmond is in Dayton market, It is considered to be a Dayton market station. Note WKOI went Full Power in Mid-september 2005, and as of 11/08, as as been the case for quite a while currently offers 5 Multicast SD channels/No HD. More info here :

http://www.tbn.org/index.php/7/52.html




Since Dayton TV/DTV/HD stations are also often receivable from Cincinnati area and vice versa, Dayton/Cincinnati area folks may also find the Dayton Thread on AVSforum useful, it is located here :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=136336
(This is a posting from page 1 of avs forum - pre-digital changeover ) (ch. 25 is on ch.9 tower and I also remember reading on a avs post that ch.54 is broadcasting from Taylor Mill, KY.)
Edited by Balloonfanatic - 2/1/13 at 2:34pm
post #14136 of 14333
Thanks for all your help. I am so glad Tom Tally (ch.9 chief engineer referred me to this site a few years ago). I have learned so much. Everyone on this post knows a lot more that the so called experts working at Radio Shack and other places. The only way to do things correct today seems to be to do it yourself. I've also learned most antennas on the market today are not worth the money. I have had to return numerous HDTV antennas over the years. I figure the manufactures arn't going to learn to fix their product flaws unless they have their overpriced garbage returned to them (especially "Radio Shack") and Wal Mart.

Slicers antenna referral "Antennacraft u4000 (less than $30) is ausome for local cincy reception pointing toward cincy but pointing towards dayton can sometimes gives me intermittant reception at my parents house (possibly due to the 75 ft. rg6 cable run?) here in the sharonville valley. I had to run 2 separate antennas (radio shack vu-90 pointing towards dayton) and the (u4000 pointing toward cincy) connected to an a/b switch at the tv. The u4000 antenna even worked well indoors behind my entertainment center but the metal behind the plaster walls restricted my reception on ch. 25 an ch.54 so the antenna went outdoors.

I always wondered if (twice) as much power is better for my hilly terrain and to offset the fairly long rg6 cable run (or a pre-amp on the antenna). Decided on u4000nd's "big brother antenna" (Antennacraft u8000 antenna) (similar to a Clearstream4 like ncincy is using) for my parents house here in sharonville since I know first hand that the (u4000) also receives vhf and fm signals very well (even though its only rated a uhf antenna). This antenna (u8000) will be pointing towards dayton and picking up the cincy stations on the u8000 backside. (like ncincy1 did). (OR) Should I mount 2 u4000 antennas one pointing towards dayton and 1 towards cincy and then combining them like Splicer did? The only thing that's stopping me from doing my setup like Splicer's is (Tom Tally-ch.9 chef engineer told me NOT to combine 2 antennas pointing in different directions due to multipath distortion will confuse the digital tuner.) Where i am the antennas will be pointing in opposite directions (directly north and south) I only want to do this installation 1 time and would appreciate any comments/ suggestions? here's the link:

(u8000 link) http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=U8000&d=Antennacraft-by-RadioShack-U8000-UHFHD-8-Bay-Bowtie-TV-Antenna-%28U8000%29&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=

(u4000 link) http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=u4000&d=antennacraft-u-4000-uhf/hd-4-bay-bowtie-tv-antenna-%28u4000%29

Here's one of the reviews of the u8000 and it seems impressive

http://www.dtvusaforum.com/dtv-hdtv-reception-antenna-discussion/1502-antennacraft-u8000-8-bay-uhf-antenna-hdtv-bow-tie-reviews.html
Edited by Balloonfanatic - 2/2/13 at 8:03am
post #14137 of 14333
I remember Tom Talley Sr from many years ago. Super nice guy, I went to his house a few times and got some filter capacitors. I'm sure you're talking of his son Tom though. The elder Tom is deceased I believe.Anyway, I've always had people tell me it's easier with two antennas to use an A-B switch. With my old style CM4228 I don't have a problem I point it south and it seems to pick up Dayton fine off the backside. I do run a Channel Master amp with my setup though. Its either a CM7777 or 7778. Location has a lot to do with it too. I'm up on a hill which helps. Years ago when we lived in Milford, the analog Cincy stations where fine with an outdoor antenna. The Dayton stations were a no go for me due to a huge hill to the north. My son now lives in a condo two miles from our old house, he's up on the hill and gets Cincy and Dayton fine with a cheap antenna I setup on his patio. I put the mast in a 5 gallon bucket and mounted the antenna lol
post #14138 of 14333
You are probably right (Tom Tally jr?) because he has 2 older teenagers. He used to work for ch.19 when it was located in Woodlawn (I remember watching the "Cool Gool" as a kid in the 70's). This Tom Tally (ch.9 chief engineer) is also a super nice guy and very helpful (If Tom Tally sr. was his father -- He would be proud!)
Edited by Balloonfanatic - 2/2/13 at 12:30pm
post #14139 of 14333
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Originally Posted by Balloonfanatic View Post

You are probably right (Tom Tally jr?) because he has 2 older teenagers. He used to work for ch.19 when it was located in Woodlawn (I remember watching the "Cool Gool" as a kid in the 70's). This Tom Tally (ch.9 chief engineer) is also a super nice guy and very helpful (If Tom Tally sr. was his father -- He would be proud!)

Channel 9's Chief Engineer is Tom Talley,Jr.. I've known him since he was a boy. He has admirably followed in his Father's footsteps.

Tommy also worked here at Local 12 for a few years before he left to be Ch. 9's Chief.

Tom Talley, Sr. or, as we called him, "TT", was very proud of his son.

TT, who was also known by his amateur radio callsign, W8HQQ, was responsible for much of the ham radio infrastructure (radio repeaters) around the city.

He was a radio engineer with 55KRC & Q102 in the Taft Broadcasting years and was also chief of Star64 before he left us.

TT was a great guy, just like his son.
post #14140 of 14333
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Tom Tally-ch.9 chef engineer told me NOT to combine 2 antennas pointing in different directions due to multipath distortion will confuse the digital tuner.
That is generally the school of thought. However, when combined correctly (the way I do it wink.gif ) and I've never had an issue with "confusing" the digital tuner. Like anything else, there is a right way and a wrong way, and sometimes the wrong way is the right way. wink.gif

There are so many options to get signal from multiple directions, one just needs to decide what works best for them.
1. Most popular by far is a roter. My problem with a roter is if I want to go from watching Cinti channels to Dayton, I have to wait for the antenna to get in position.

2. A-B switch. This is the second most popular way. Most use an electronic switch they can change with a remote. Of course the old manual standby always works, but this requires getting my butt out of a chair to physically change the switch. The alternative method is to physically wire the switch next to my chair...I am sure y'all can see the issues this will cause with other members of the family sitting elswhere if they are watching TV.

3. The easiest and best (read-cheapest) way to A-B is to simply use the TV built in dual tuner and connect one antenna to ANT 1 and the other antenna to ANT 2. The problem with this method is you use up both 75ohm inputs, and this can be an issue in a couple of ways...If you are like me, I still have CATV thanks to having kids (and a handicapped adult) in the house and Cartoon Network is a must, so I need one input for cable (I don't have/want a STB). Of course, if no direct cable, and no other reason to use the 2nd input, this is the ideal method to use.

4. Combine multiple antennas. This is my method (obviously), but I don't combine in the usual way, that being using a 2 way (or more) splitter. I use multiple baluns with great success. One antenna is connected directly to ANT 2, then ANT 2 is connected to a UVSJ on the UHF side. The VHF side is for the VHF/FM antenna. Using this method I can switch channels with instant reaction, no wait. cool.gifbiggrin.gif

Of course there is more to it than I have the time to write (watching my 49ers get slaughtered) but this should let everyone know it is alright to think outside the box to get what they want. wink.gif
post #14141 of 14333
thanks for the help splicer. I talked to a engineer at "antennacraft" today" He recommended the u4000 antenna pointing towards dayton and a pre-amp because the u4000 1/2 beamwidth is much larger. The u4000 half beamwith is (54degrees from the center) of the antenna which is a (108 degree of reception area) The u8000 has a much narrower reception area (30 degrees from cernter) = (60 degree reception area).

My question is Antennacraft is a division of Radio Shack and most of their amplifiers are garbage. What adjustable pre-amplifier do you recommend using on the u4000.
Edited by Balloonfanatic - 2/7/13 at 9:55am
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post #14143 of 14333
I think there was a misunderstanding in that conversation.

There's no way that a 4-bay would have a 108° half-power beam-width (HPBW) nor an 8-bay would have a 60° HPBW. I suspect you (or the "engineer") mistakenly doubled the numbers or misunderstood what the specification means. You can check the spec sheets at their web site to make sure.

Antennacraft actually makes several "decent" amplifiers contrary to the out-of-date postings regarding Radio Shack's amps on a certain website.
post #14144 of 14333
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

I recommend (and use) this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008QD8JPG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

Just bought one - excellent! Thanks for the great recommendation.
post #14145 of 14333
I thought I read someplace that WWHO had its transmitter in Chillicothe area but it was now in Columbus? At one time the FCC database showed both locations sometime ago when I looked. Seems like everything I find says Chillicothe so I wasn't sure. I used to get them on a fairly regular basis since I'm about 61 miles away but haven't been able to scan it in.
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Thanks for the info. Looks like Chillicothe is still correct. I need to find me about four used tower sections sometime and get some height to my antennas. I might be able to add a few more channels lol...nothing else some dx'ing this summer
post #14148 of 14333
Looks like when the application is approved to move to the towers in downtown Columbus, WWHO will be broadcasting at a lower height than from current location with same power, thus reducing their contour. I guess the upside is they will improve coverage of the immediate metro. Downside is those of us on the southwestern fringes will no longer be able to receive it. http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1525619
post #14149 of 14333
Only on TW? OTA here and WLWT is in HD in all its glory... cool.gif
post #14150 of 14333
mcm electronics in springboro, ohio e mailed me some new hd antennas they are now carrying. The Quad Bay Antenna (mcm #30-2430 that you could point in multiple directions for $49.99 caught my eye. Are they any good? http://enews.mcmconnect.com/q/dgWCDIS_l4A09syU9HoKpGNLRwCIgRcoEZKTg69mYytKB2RQIr3y3uHiV
post #14151 of 14333
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Originally Posted by Balloonfanatic View Post

mcm electronics in springboro, ohio e mailed me some new hd antennas they are now carrying. The Quad Bay Antenna (mcm #30-2430 that you could point in multiple directions for $49.99 caught my eye. Are they any good? http://enews.mcmconnect.com/q/dgWCDIS_l4A09syU9HoKpGNLRwCIgRcoEZKTg69mYytKB2RQIr3y3uHiV

It's cheap Chinese junk.. That one has been a round a couple of a years under various names and models.
post #14152 of 14333
Yeah but you have to love the $8.99 indoor antenna they showed lol...such a space age design
post #14153 of 14333
Hi everyone... new guy thinking about jumping in the pool of cable cutters. I've been following the forum for a while and I'm thinking of switching over to OTA + HTPC. I'd like to get some advice on antennas. I think DXing would be fun... but I really don't have time to invest in playing with it too much and I'd rather not spend the money on a massive antenna unless I could get something tangible out of it. I'm not a sports fan, but my wife likes to watch Bengals games. If I could DX an out-of-market station during a local blackout, that would be the only thing to make it worth the time, $$$, and trouble to me. Is anyone successfully pulling Bengals games from Indianapolis, Columbus, or Louisville? According to my plot on TVFool, I think it's not that likely. However, I do live up on a ridge just northwest of the Sharonville Kroger on 42 and Fields-Ertel. And there do appear to be some "hotspots" so to speak for distant stations up on those ridges. Should I go for the big antenna setup and see what comes in? Or is this a pipe dream and I should just focus on Dayton/Cinci stations?

What kind of setup do you guys recommend? When not trying to DX, I want an "it just works" configuration. U4000 seems to be the antenna of choice around here... So I'm guessing a fixed U4000 aimed at Dayton where I try to pick up Cinci on the back side. Do I really need a separate VHF for WKRC? Antennas would be outdoor, chimney mast mounted at the 2nd story level. With exception of a few trees, I have a mostly clear line-of-sight to downtown Cincinnati. During the winter when the leaves are down, I can see the towers, Great American building, etc. right out even my first story windows.

If I decided to add DX to this mix, I was thinking a larger antenna with rotor on the mast above the fixed mount everyday antennas using a separate cable feed. That would let me try Indianapolis, Columbus, and Louisville. (My understanding is that Lexington is a non-starter as they are included in the Cinci/Dayton blackouts.) TV Fool says the Indianapolis stations are strongest of those three markets. However, for my purposes (getting blacked-out Bengals games) Even if I could get the stations, that doesn't mean I'd get the blacked out game. I would think the Colts would take priority in Indianapolis (assuming they also weren't in a blackout). In Columbus, I recall seeing somewhere they go 50/50 between Bengals and Browns. Louisville seems to be the least likely of the three for me to get and I don't have any clue what they play down there.

What advice go you guys have for me?
post #14154 of 14333
First off there is no need to get a separate antenna for Local 12. It comes in okay with my U4000 with a booster. I never bother to watch the Bengal games on Channel 12 anyway, opting for the better picture that is on WHIO Channel 7 in Dayton.

I have my U4000 outside about 8 ft up on the chimney atop a one story house and am quite pleased with it. Last I counted I get almost 50 stations. Make sure you get Channel 25 stations WBQC/WKRP. They have THIS-TV, Cozi-TV, Tuff-TV, RTV and A1. There's quite an assortment with just these stations. I don't get Columbus unless I get an occasional skip. I will keep my answer short because one of the posters here live in a relative close proximity to you.. He can help you better than I can since I live just up the hill from Cleves.
Edited by Bearcathalfk - 2/23/13 at 3:35pm
post #14155 of 14333
No, WKRC Bengals pic is actually pretty damn good. Not to take anything away from the leader, WHIO. wink.gif

Second, you really won't get any out of market games. Best bet for that is a ROKU2 and a third party app. I can get every game for free. AWESOME! cool.gif Downside is picture IS NOT in HD but hey, beggers can't be choosers and I am grateful I get my Bears now. wink.gif (and yes, Bengals as well wink.gif )
post #14156 of 14333
I have recommended the Antennacraft u4000 for numerous residents in the valley around sharonville community center, everyone loves it . 2 of my neighbors cancelled satellite and just attached the u4000 antenna where the satellite dish was. This antenna works great at my house in Sharonville off Cornell. If you point the antenna towards dayton all the cincy stations come in on the backside. In this valley area ch. 16 can be intermitant without a booster but (since your much higher in elevation- (you can see Carew Tower and Great American Tower downtown from Pisgah/West Chester (on U S 42) from by Win Place or Show Bar to Ell Farms going south on 42) you probably won't even need a booster to receive all Cincy and Dayton channels. Antenna link: http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=u4000&d=antennacraft-u-4000-uhf/hd-4-bay-bowtie-tv-antenna-%28u4000%29 You can also order them thru Radioshack for about $10 more http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3766859#showFullReviews
Edited by Balloonfanatic - 2/23/13 at 9:01pm
post #14157 of 14333
Does anyone know if channel 64 is ever going to re activate 64-2. It has been quite a long time since ch. 64 and ch.22 dayton took there subchannel (the cool tv) off the air.
post #14158 of 14333
I think they pretty much have to keep them going. For some insane reason, I seem to recall reading something about they have to keep sub-channels on or risk losing them...again, not 100% but believe that is what it is. Would be nice to see some content though. Maybe difficult to find a free/low cost channel to rebroadcast is my opinion.
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What doesn't make sense to me is that they spent so much on the equipment to provide subchannels and then they dont use them. Wouldn't it make sense to provide programming for the subchannels to recoup their costs.
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Originally Posted by Balloonfanatic View Post

What doesn't make sense to me is that they spent so much on the equipment to provide subchannels and then they dont use them. Wouldn't it make sense to provide programming for the subchannels to recoup their costs.

First, you have to find someone who will actually pay their bills in order to recoup any costs.
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