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post #61 of 1128
Man this thread blew up FAST!!! I'm still waiting for mine... And starting to twitch from impatience after reading all this.
post #62 of 1128
i-link anyone?

I can't belive that noone here buying a 2k CD player
has i-Link.

Anyone with Pioneer or Yamy's using this player with an i-Link connector.

Don't make me beg...now if I didn't have to pay for that wedding...
post #63 of 1128
My 5900 is spinning the Beauty and the Beast disc 2 just fine (fortunately!).
post #64 of 1128
Arg!
I am running the 2900 and the bravo D1. I must say, flame if you will, I am not very impressed with the D1. I calibrated both with avia and the D1 consistently has a less 3D picture, and a slight bit of, I am not sure how to describe it but contrasted look too it. In LOTR:TT when the tree guy is walking around (the chapter when they tell him to go south) I almost wince it is so ugly! I switch to the 2900 and it is an improvement in picture depth. MF! Well, I guess that's what financing is for!
FREAK!
post #65 of 1128
Congratulations Beav. $1600 seems to be the going rate on the 5900. I don't think you can call that a street price yet but dealers don't seem to want to go with the $2000 MSRP. At least this seems to be a benchmark to compare how we are doing.
post #66 of 1128
Thread Starter 
Thank you Metallicafreak! I was beeing rip apart in the PJ (5000$ +) forum for telling them that the 5900 was giving a better picture then the Bravo!

I don't understand those guys. They pay 10000$ for the best PJ and they paired it with an Apex (oups sorry... Bravo) DVD-player with a DVI interface. They all jumped on me like vultures on a death prey.

They say a bit is a bit, and no needs for any quality parts like we have in the Denon.

I'm happy to know you prefer the 2900 over the Bravo D1.
post #67 of 1128
2,499 Euro = 2,943.07 US Dollar
post #68 of 1128
Beav, Jack G...

I figure I'm really getting about $600 trade-in against a $1600 price on the 5900...Either way it spares me having to sell the 2900...

Unless anyone here wants to buy a used 2900 for $700....:)
post #69 of 1128
Beav,

Where are you getting that price? I'am here in concord.
post #70 of 1128
Hello,


Anybody knows if this player is going to be released in Europe? So far it seems to be available only in America.
post #71 of 1128
Quote:
Originally posted by Joaquin Mejia
Anybody knows if this player is going to be released in Europe? So far it seems to be available only in America.
Yes, it is being released in Europe as the 'DVD-A11' available in black and gold at a MSRP of 2499 EUR. Availability seems to around the end of this month.

Filip
post #72 of 1128
I don't understand those guys. They pay 10000$ for the best PJ and they paired it with an Apex (oups sorry... Bravo) DVD-player with a DVI interface. They all jumped on me like vultures on a death prey....LEVESQUE
................................................

You haven't figured it out yet ??

But we are looking forward and eager to help you choose your projector, can't wait for you to show up to tell you what pj is good for you $10k-$20k. There is a lot of them I haven't seen but will highly recommend. :)
post #73 of 1128
CODE RED! CODE RED! Whoa...flames everywhere...here, there, other websites. :eek: Luckily, in my profession, I only have to deal with CODE BLUE's from ambulances. :cool:

Beav,

Congrats! It sounds like you're getting a good deal at Anderson's. Is that price before or after the 8.25% sales tax?

Well, I finally got word that the dealer just received stock of this player today. I'll be receiving it 3 Day Select by next Monday. Next week is fairly busy for me, so I'll post my thoughts sometime late next week.

Ken
post #74 of 1128
Thread Starter 
JimmyR.

I'm "negociating" for the new Sony at around 20000$, because I have a good relation at Sony. If not that one, I'm still hesitating between some others...

I find it friendlier in here. At the projector forum, people are to defensive about what they choose, and don't let alot of place for any diverging opinions... I tought that with that kind of PJ, I was needing a quality DVI-player, that's why I went with the 5900. But from what I hear on the PJ forum, I should rethink my strategy, and try the next Apex DVI-player at Wal-Mart... because, you know, bits are bits, and a DVI-interface being a DVI-interface, the Apex should do the trick! (end of sarcasm...)
post #75 of 1128
Hey Levesque you read my post on the spot i see. lol thats what i told someone they might as well by a apex or wal mart special since they cant tell the difference.
post #76 of 1128
Quote:
Originally posted by LEVESQUE
Thank you Metallicafreak! I was beeing rip apart in the PJ (5000$ +) forum for telling them that the 5900 was giving a better picture then the Bravo!

I don't understand those guys. They pay 10000$ for the best PJ and they paired it with an Apex (oups sorry... Bravo) DVD-player with a DVI interface. They all jumped on me like vultures on a death prey.

They say a bit is a bit, and no needs for any quality parts like we have in the Denon.

I'm happy to know you prefer the 2900 over the Bravo D1.
Sorry, but you are going to get it here as well :)

You are so full of crap!!

You were getting slammed because you said that the picture from the 5900 was way better than the Bravo, when you NEVER COMPARED THE TWO!!!

I would buy a $10000 Ayre if I thought it would look significantly better, and I will consider the 5900 if it turns out to look better than anything over the DVI port.

I have the Bravo, and I also have an SDI modified RP82 that goes through my HTPC via the H3D2 card. I have several other players as well. The most important thing to me right now is the quality of the Image on the screen. I don't care if it is a cheap player like the Bravo or the RP82, or the 5900. I will get what provides the best image quality.

What I will not do is exclaim how much better one product is over another without even seeing the product I am claiming it is better than!!
post #77 of 1128
Matallicafreak, when you compared the 2900 to the D1, did you use the D1's DVI out?

Levesque, in all fairness, I wouldn't call the response you got in the other thread "ripped apart". You made a very strong statement, and a few members wanted you to back it up with some background info. Making a statement about comparing two products, when you didn't actually compare them side by side is risky, and some people will rightfully take you to task.

Please don't take this the wrong way. The majority of the members here are a very good humored bunch and step right up when you really need help. Had you said that the 5900 is the best you've seen yet and you can't wait to see a comparison from DVI outs, you'd have seen quite a different response.

If you're really going to get a Qualia, you may be the first at AVS, and I hope it's everything Sony says it is, and more. The jury's still out until enough experienced members/technicians get their hands on one and get it properly calibrated.. Please keep us informed on your progress, and good luck with that.
post #78 of 1128
Levesque,

Martin and Phil (Free) make good points above. I know you mean well, and I know that you are truly excited about this player. I also understand your good intentions for us to try out this player, but at $2K MSRP, it may be out of reach for some or may be too big of a gamble on functions not activated yet. It is too early to tell as no real reviews or comparisons have been made. However, Martin is right: "Making a statement about comparing two products, when you didn't actually compare them side by side is risky, and some people will rightfully take you to task."

With the above quote in mind, here is a link to another one of your threads on Audio Circle.com:
"Denon DVD-5900. The best out there."
This was posted on the Multichannel Audio and the Digital Domain Circle. I appreciate your comparisons to the 3800 and 2900, but honestly, the 5900 is Denon's new flagship player. Do you really think that Denon would put out a player that actually sounds worse than the two older models and claim that it's the flagship? Also, comparisons by "memory" to Pioneer Elites and Marantz are of little value. There is also no comparison to the Teac/Esoteric DV-50 which IMHO is a fantastic universal player. The guys at Audio Asylum are comparing this to Krell's SACD Standard. But then, there are also Musical Fidelity's TriVista, Shanling's SCD-T200 and modded versions of Pioneer 45's, 47's, Sony's 999ES and Denon's 2900 to name just a few. Again, no comparisons to those. Therefore, your claim of "The best out there" in a Multichannel forum without true comparisons bears little weight. If you were to make the same claim on the Hi-Rez Highway (Digital - SACD) on Audio Asylum, then you would probably see at least one page of responses going from left to as far right as possible...trust me.

I hope you don't think that I'm being harsh, but I'm just alerting you of potential pitfalls. I, for one, appreciate your posts and thank you for your contributions as I have learned from them.

Ken
post #79 of 1128
Quote:
Originally posted by LEVESQUE
Thank you Metallicafreak! I was beeing rip apart in the PJ (5000$ +) forum for telling them that the 5900 was giving a better picture then the Bravo!

I don't understand those guys. They pay 10000$ for the best PJ and they paired it with an Apex (oups sorry... Bravo) DVD-player with a DVI interface. They all jumped on me like vultures on a death prey.

They say a bit is a bit, and no needs for any quality parts like we have in the Denon.

I'm happy to know you prefer the 2900 over the Bravo D1.
It's the price/performance ratio I am interested in. I want the "best" PQ available from an "affordable" source and I am not convinced (yet) the 5900 is the right product. One issue is the DVI (as implemented in either the 5900 or Bravo D1 or other products) going to provide better PQ than than a high quality analog component (either interlaced or progressive) outputs to decent RPTV and/or Front Projector ? And IF DVI is the better solution, (in theory; jury is still out on actual implementation), will the 5900 DVI output provide for significantly better PQ than the DVI output from other players (e.g. Bravo D1 or Samsung or....) ?

Oh yeah, there are the other secondary features such as DVD-A, SACD, quality MC DACs, BM, etc... but my main priority is PQ. Perhaps a better quality (than the Bravo) DVD player with DVI output but without all the frills would be a better buy.

I vaguely recall someone also suggested the 5900 represented the SOTA in DVD players. I take this with a huge grain of salt with competitors such as Meridian, Bel Canto, EAD, Marantz etc...I'm sure there are other expensive DVD players out there with better PQ; doubtful the 5900 is the "best" DVD player out there; maybe for the money; we shall see.
post #80 of 1128
Why cant you accept that the 5900 may be the best player there is? Once agian people continue to doubt or bash denon for no reason. As Kris from secrets has said it is his next dvd player people continue to say levesque is wrong and wont even accept maybe he and Kris are right. But you can sit and say the bravo is. I dont understand.
post #81 of 1128
You are not reading what we are saying. The 5900 may be the best out there, I don't know because I have not seen it. I will not, however claim something that I have not yet seen or that enough reputable opinions by those who have compared the players in question have indicated.
post #82 of 1128
Here is what I think LEVESQUE should have said:

I just got the new Denon 5900 and it is the best picture I have seen! It looks much better to me than the 2900 which I have compared it to. I would love to compare it side by side to the Bravo D1 and see if it looks better. I can't wait until they activate the DVI port because if it looks at least as good as the component output it should be phenomenal! Does anyone have a Bravo they could bring over for a shoot out?

See...if he had phrased it that way I think we all would have had a lot more respect for him as a reviewer.
:)
post #83 of 1128
Thread Starter 
Men. I should campaign against Arnold. I'm getting more popular then him! People are doing a psycho-analysis of everything I post in here. Wow! Arnold beware... "I'll be back!""

All those advanced members running after me across the forums... It's alot more then I deserve.

But I was able to reach my goal... to make people talk about the 5900...

I'm sorry to say it again, I know you don't like it but:

The 5900 is the BEST out-there! It's a free world. I can say what I want, because a forum is for people to discuss and SHARE teir opinions. For me the 5900 IS THE BEST OUT THERE!

BTW Free (or Phil).

When you are saying: "You are so full of crap!!" I think you are discrediting yourself alot more then me. I've never said anything like this to you. After 1998 posts, you should know better... I think noone deserves those remarks no matter what they say. We are here for fun, because we share the same passion, don't you forget it... You should learn to respect other people opinions, and don't take it personnally...
post #84 of 1128
Sorry to disagree with you free but KRIS form secrets has said it is in fact a flawless and wonderful picture. And i will say this here alos the bravo using dvi couldnt even score in the 80s. So you and all that have said the bravo is the best need to look at yourself also.
post #85 of 1128
I loved the 2900 but the 5900 really destroys it. The sound quailty of redbook audio is on par with anything I've heard (the most respected I've heard are the arcam and the tri-vista). The pciture quality is STUNNING. I agree that saying something is the best without testing everything is a bit robust, but hey Levesque (and me) just spent $2k on a DVD player, let him brag! :)

Besides, does anyone who says 'the best' in these forums ever really have the right to do it? No one's heard everything, the idea that its the 'best I've heard' should just be understood without a bunch of people jumping down your throat. Everyone knows what he meant, they're just jealous. :D

Give 'em hell Lev!

John
post #86 of 1128
Thread Starter 
Kevinca1 and Expletive. Thanks.

You are the 1st one backin me up. I tought I was the only one thinking that the 5900 is an awesome unit.

All those 5900 owners out there, are you not tired of hearing the same thing, that "a bit is a bit", and that a Bravo D1 or a Samsung DVI-player will sound has good or better then your 5900 on a DD or DTS track? And that it's impossible that it will give you a better picture because a DVI-interface is a DVI-interface, and because bits are bits?

Come on! I think that those Advanced members INVADING this thread on the 5900 (THAT THEY HAVE NEVER HEARD OR SEEN FOR REAL), are just jealous! :D :D :D

I know those Advanced Members don't like it, but a bunch of them did jump on my throat, and gave me a lot of sarcastics remarks. Did you know, 5900 owners, that one of them in the PJ section did compare the 5900 to an antenna from Rat Shack!!!:eek: And then they all jump on me.

Imagine. An antenna from Rat Schack and they say I'm the bad guy...
post #87 of 1128
Picked up my 5900 tonight. Can't wait to play with my new toy. I am upgrading from a Panasonic A110 (cheap, old, but no chroma bug). Thank you, Levesque (the worlds first human owner of the 5900) for your great reviews and enthusiasm. Does anyone have access to an Esoteric DV-50 for comparison? I hear that is an awesome unit.
post #88 of 1128
Quote:
Originally posted by kevinca1
Sorry to disagree with you free but KRIS form secrets has said it is in fact a flawless and wonderful picture. And i will say this here alos the bravo using dvi couldnt even score in the 80s. So you and all that have said the bravo is the best need to look at yourself also.
Kevin, can you please point to the post where I said that the Bravo was the best?

Sheesh you guy's are unbelievable :confused:
post #89 of 1128
I'm not taking anyone's side here. But speaking logically, the Bravo D1 is $179.99 and the Denon 5900 is $2,000. In my mind (and alot of others) it's pretty safe to assume Denon is a better player in every respect.
I for one believe you get what you pay for.

Hypathetically speaking: How do you KNOW your Theta CB2 and Martin Logans are better than that $150.00 home theater in a box at Best Buy, when you haven't heard it?
post #90 of 1128
Levesque,

Campaign against Arnold, our new Governator...you don't stand a chance! Who knows, with all the publicity, you may be on tomorrow's front page of the L.A. Times. ;)

Jealous...me no jealous...my precious is coming. :)

Ken
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