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post #3721 of 3890
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Originally Posted by ench View Post

I wish I saw this original post ( post #3464) from SONY.
They are admitting the flaw in their design.
So how is it my fault that my set exibited signs of optical block failures after June 30 2008.

I assumed you knew about this. Every rear-projection LCD TV model ever made by Sony (2002-2007) has had similar problems. Almost all of them have had (or still have) optical block warranty extensions. Many are also the subject of class-action lawsuits. See my Sony optical block web site at the link in my signature below for more details.
post #3722 of 3890
Splinke:
I was not aware all SONY rear projections (2202-2007) have some sort of issue.
But my unit is out of warranty.

I read through your web site and did not see anything relevant to my case.
I thought the extended warranty period ended 12/2008.
Maybe I should read it again, this time more carefully.

But I already purchase a new OB from them at $518 this morning.
post #3723 of 3890
Hey guys two questions,

1. Has anyone used this TV with the Monoprice 1X2 PRO Series Powered HDMI Splitter? I'm trying to use it with a Mitsubishi projector, and can get the projector to work, but not the Sony.

2. I have what I thought to be a bunch of dead pixels more in the middle, but it looks more like the pictures from the class action suit. Although the blue haze part isn't nearly as visible, would this be covered under this lawsuit?

Thanks in advance!
post #3724 of 3890
Do you mean HDMI switch?
Not sure what an HDMI splitter is.

Or perhaps you mean DVI to HDMI cable.
In my case I use DVI to DVI and DVI to HDMI and both work for me.
post #3725 of 3890
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Originally Posted by ench View Post

Do you mean HDMI switch?
Not sure what an HDMI splitter is.

Or perhaps you mean DVI to HDMI cable.
In my case I use DVI to DVI and DVI to HDMI and both work for me.

Sorry about that... this - http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

And both the Sony and the Mitsu both have DVI inputs so I'm using 2 DVI to HDMI's. The "input" device is a Pioneer Elite 92thx
post #3726 of 3890
Quote:
Originally Posted by ench View Post

I wish I saw this original post ( post #3464) from SONY.
They are admitting the flaw in their design.
So how is it my fault that my set exibited signs of optical block failures after June 30 2008.

I finished my test rig for the XBR950 60 and 70 inch. If your still interested pm me.
post #3727 of 3890
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Originally Posted by sumavguy View Post

...2. I have what I thought to be a bunch of dead pixels more in the middle, but it looks more like the pictures from the class action suit. Although the blue haze part isn't nearly as visible, would this be covered under this lawsuit?...

If you have "stuck" blue pixels accumulating on your screen, it is the optical block. There was an extended warranty for this problem, but it has expired. Please see my web site (link in my signature below) for details.
post #3728 of 3890
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Originally Posted by ench View Post

...I read through your web site and did not see anything relevant to my case...

I provide a list of options on the web site, starting with going through Sony's unadvertised appeals process, as well as legal action. Depending on how far you take things, Sony typically offers a discount off repair, a discount off a new TV, or a free repair.
post #3729 of 3890
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Originally Posted by splinke View Post

I provide a list of options on the web site, starting with going through Sony's unadvertised appeals process, as well as legal action. Depending on how far you take things, Sony typically offers a discount off repair, a discount off a new TV, or a free repair.

I wish I had seen this sooner... It was my father in laws TV before and he just had it sent out for repair(had bought it CC still had retail stores and bought the warranty on it) and they said they didn't want to fix it and that it would be $300 or so to fix it, so they just gave him his money back for the TV.
post #3730 of 3890
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Originally Posted by jjb220 View Post

I finished my test rig for the XBR950 60 and 70 inch. If your still interested pm me.

JJB220
So sorry, I already ordered a new one from "fu@%!#$ SONY
The unit should arrive tomorrow.
I plan on installing it on Friday
post #3731 of 3890
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Originally Posted by ench View Post

JJB220
So sorry, I already ordered a new one from "fu@%!#$ SONY
The unit should arrive tomorrow.
I plan on installing it on Friday

Sorry I got setup a little late. I could have saved you a couple hunderd easy. I Did my first 70XBR950 today and the rig works good. Well atleast you will have a "new" optical block that should get you to 2013.
post #3732 of 3890
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Originally Posted by jjb220 View Post

Sorry I got setup a little late. I could have saved you a couple hunderd easy. I Did my first 70XBR950 today and the rig works good. Well atleast you will have a "new" optical block that should get you to 2013.

JJB20
Its all good my brother.
My new OB is due to arrive this afternoon at 4:30 from FedEx

Needless to say I will be leaving work early today to install it

PS
Don't tell the boss and wish me good luck
post #3733 of 3890
The operation was a complete success.
My KDF70XBR950 looks brand new again.
It took me a little bit over an hour 1/2 from 1st to last screw.

question:
SONY sent me what looks like a questionaire asking what was wrong with the original OB etc.
On top of it, they are almost implying that they want my original core back.
Some nerve of them!
post #3734 of 3890
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Originally Posted by ench View Post

The operation was a complete success.
My KDF70XBR950 looks brand new again.
It took me a little bit over an hour 1/2 from 1st to last screw.

question:
SONY sent me what looks like a questionaire asking what was wrong with the original OB etc.
On top of it, they are almost implying that they want my original core back.
Some nerve of them!

Good news and bad news. The bad, I wont go there and I hope you dont have to either for a very long time with the new optical block. The good: you have a nice good working 70" inch Sony LCD. Not too many people can say that. I looked at the 73 Mits and PQ does not compare to the Sony. Its nice but Sony looks better and who is to say how long these newer DLPs will last. Im repairing 2-3 a week of the 2004 2005 Mitsubishi DLPs. Repair area is full of them right now.
post #3735 of 3890
I had to take my ob apart again, the blue returned with yellow this time.

I promised spinkle I would take photos last time, but the disk got corrupted and I lost the pics.

Yes a sony handycam, go figure. So here is the second time.

This time the problem seems to be worse. I think the blue led element is shot. Cleaning won't fix it this time.

The image on the lcd is exaclty what the screen looks like, only larger.

This is a kdf60wf655 gw4.
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post #3736 of 3890
more pics of same
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post #3737 of 3890
2 more.

Need to find a place to get that part.

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post #3738 of 3890
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Originally Posted by tdma View Post

2 more.

Need to find a place to get that part.

LCX043ATB5

These are very hard to find as im sure you will find out. Can you realign it once you replace it? I have an alignment rig if you need it done. Or I can rebuild it for you.
post #3739 of 3890
Is that something I can build? Any info would be appreciated.

Any info on finding the parts would be very helpfull also

tdma
post #3740 of 3890
there are more pics i forgot to post. It also shows a filter next to the blue lcd that has heat damage. I don't have the part number for this part
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post #3741 of 3890
Wow. I should have come back to this forum a long time ago! I have a KF42WE610 and have the blue blobs on my screen (I first suspected kid's fingerprints).

Everything I'm seeing indicates the warranty extension expired.

What are my options?
- Will Sony cover it? A part of it?
post #3742 of 3890
see post 3721 in this thread from Splinke.
post #3743 of 3890
hey guys...hoping you can help me out.

When I try to power up my kf-60we610, the green LED power light blinks steadily for about 15 seconds, it makes an intermittent buzzing noise (does this three times as if it's trying to kick on), then the red LED light starts blinking steadily. I'm assuming this means i have a bad lamp, but i have no clue how to diagnose for certain.

I'm reluctant to call a repair guy, since he's going to charge me over $100 just to come to my place and then another $200 to install the lamp (if that is indeed the issue). I see the official sony lamps are $150 on amazon, and I'd rather go that route if I know for sure that's the issue...
post #3744 of 3890
That sounds like the lamp.
post #3745 of 3890
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Originally Posted by agbulls View Post

hey guys...hoping you can help me out.

When I try to power up my kf-60we610, the green LED power light blinks steadily for about 15 seconds, it makes an intermittent buzzing noise (does this three times as if it's trying to kick on), then the red LED light starts blinking steadily. I'm assuming this means i have a bad lamp, but i have no clue how to diagnose for certain.

I'm reluctant to call a repair guy, since he's going to charge me over $100 just to come to my place and then another $200 to install the lamp (if that is indeed the issue). I see the official sony lamps are $150 on amazon, and I'd rather go that route if I know for sure that's the issue...

Bad Lamp. I especialy like to hear that buzzing sound when troubleshooting a bad lamp.
post #3746 of 3890
I replaced the lamp in my set a while back. It took all of 15 minutes. The instructions can be found in this thread if they are not within the package for the lamp. BTW, if you have a still functioning but aging lamp, buy the replacement and install it as soon as. Then store the old, still working, lamp until you have to replace the one in use, the old lamp should see you through the wait for the new replacement which only has like a 90-day warranty on it.

YMMV
post #3747 of 3890
Wow, came across this thread by accident. I haven't posted or even looked over this site since February of 2004 when I purchased a 60" KF-60WE610. I have no idea what the experiences have been with this model other than some of the initial problems I remember reading before taking the plunge way back when. I can honestly say after 5 years and also buying the extended warranty, I have had not had one problem with my TV, and that includes a 7 year old playing Wii games.

I fear I have now jinxed myself, but I suspect at some time in the near future I am going to have to buy a replacement lamp, so I am glad I ran across this site again, at least I know where to come when that time does ultimately arrive. Hard to believe how much I paid for this TV over 5 years ago when I look at what 60" LCD TV's cost now a days and they are non rear projection too. I can't complain though that's for sure.
post #3748 of 3890
I've suffered the "blotch/road map syndrome" for a few years now and noticed that the darn TV just wasn't as bright as I remember. Having decided that the excessive dust generated by my wood burning stove was the culprit, I decided to rip that thing open.

http://sites.google.com/site/sonylcd...ockreplacement

Armed with a little info and nice graphics from there I discovered my lcd's seem to be an interior problem and not cleanable.

I did however find this:





Third 'lens' in the series starting from the lamp. Made of many parrallelograms w/ connecting edges silvered. Sits just behind a very shiny aluminum grate. You can see the very center where I started cleaning but gave up since it was broken on 2 joints anyway.

Picture looks beautiful now, but I have dailed down brightness for safety's sake(?)

I wonder the purpose of this damn thing. If you wanted less light I'd just use a lower watt bulb
post #3749 of 3890
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Originally Posted by weebling1 View Post

I've suffered the "blotch/road map syndrome" for a few years now and noticed that the darn TV just wasn't as bright as I remember...Picture looks beautiful now, but I have dailed down brightness for safety's sake(?)...I wonder the purpose of this damn thing. If you wanted less light I'd just use a lower watt bulb

Hello weebling1,

I maintain the web site you linked in your post. I assume the lens in question came from the "middle-left" portion of the optical block as pictured below (from a photo originally posted by "tdma" a few posts up):


When you say it is the "third lens," could you provide a list of the lenses that occur prior to the first mirror in the upper-left? Doesn't the first lens look very similar to the one you posted about (a "series of parallelograms")?

You don't explicitly state it, but can I assume that you just ended up removing the lens, because it appeared it scorched, and you were unable to clean it without breaking it?

My concern would be that it is a filter that removes IR and/or UV light. Unfiltered IR and UV light are known to accelerate degradation of the more sensitive filters and LCD panels downstream. So, while things may look brighter in the short-term, you might be damaging other parts.

Alternatively, it may be an "integrator" (creates the rectangular area of light necessary for the TV, a "relay lens," a "collimator lens" (makes all of the light waves parallel to each other so that the LCD panel will scatter them properly), or something else. If anybody knows, please speak up. Here is a schematic from a Sony patent that I posted previously:


Steve
post #3750 of 3890
Quote:
Originally Posted by weebling1 View Post

I've suffered the "blotch/road map syndrome" for a few years now and noticed that the darn TV just wasn't as bright as I remember. Having decided that the excessive dust generated by my wood burning stove was the culprit, I decided to rip that thing open.

http://sites.google.com/site/sonylcd...ockreplacement

Armed with a little info and nice graphics from there I discovered my lcd's seem to be an interior problem and not cleanable.

I did however find this:





Third 'lens' in the series starting from the lamp. Made of many parrallelograms w/ connecting edges silvered. Sits just behind a very shiny aluminum grate. You can see the very center where I started cleaning but gave up since it was broken on 2 joints anyway.

Picture looks beautiful now, but I have dailed down brightness for safety's sake(?)

I wonder the purpose of this damn thing. If you wanted less light I'd just use a lower watt bulb

This will happen with any bulb available to work in this set. I offer a service that cleans the optical block. The LCDs are cleanable but you have to take care or the images from the 3 LCDs will not converge when reassembled. I also refurbish them but you may not need that from what you describe. I replace the glass you show in the picture known as a light diffuser. This glass scatters the light so it can be directed through the optical block evenly rather than a concetrated beam. Without this you will damage the LCD panels in a short period of time. Contact me if you are interested in my help. I do not sell individual LCDs or filters but I do have some of the diffusers available. Thanks, John
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