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post #61 of 703
" Unless of course you want to run a cable from your Linksys router to the WAN port of one of the Buffalo units."

Shouldn't go to the WAN port, it should go to the LAN port. That way the Buffalo bridging would get onto the wired segment and from there the LinkSys routing over the net would kick in when needed. And it would keep everything on the same IP net.

You could probably make it work through the WAN port on the Buffalo but it would take a lot of extra work. It would make things like having a computer on the wired segment access the ReplayTV need a specific route to it (with port forwarding through the Buffalo) and such.

Shawn
post #62 of 703
Well, I purchased two of these Buffs from Dell and here is my story.

After printing out all-important ISP info from my wireless Netgear, I unplugged it and put one of the Buffs in its place. Tried to go though the CATV wizard and after the entire configuration, the test failed. To make a long story short, I was on the phone several times with tech support to try and get one of these to just work with my cable modem. I could reconnect my Netgear and I was surfing away again. I even downloaded the latest firmware (which was suggested by them) and tried to flash it and that didn’t work at all either. Some very strange errors that I have never seen before. After many hours trying to get this to just work as a switch with my cable modem, I decided to try the other one.

Plugged #2 in with computer and cable modem attached, went through the CATV setup wizard and BAM, worked right away. One difference I noticed between #1 and #2 was the WAN light on #1 blinked a very steady on/off blink. The #2 WAN light has more of a flicker and it isn’t consistent like #1. So I guess if anyone ever gets one of these, can’t connect to the internet, and the WAN LED is just a steady blink, the unit is probably bad.

So now I have just one Buff to mess with while I wait for Dell to ship me a replacement.

Observation on this unit:

Web setup interface does not seem to be quite as intuitive as most other routers I’ve used. The “?†link for every option is helpful though

Miss having the LAN web use log. My Netgear had an option to log all web addresses that were being accessed from the LAN. Might be handy for people who have kids.

Client Manager is sort of useless. It is supposed to be able to show all connected PC’s on your network but it doesn’t always show all of them if they are sitting idle for a while. Also, does not show names either and only shows IP’s if you are using it’s DHCP. Would be nice if it would show all IP addresses on the network including the ones that are fixed on the box itself (like the 5040).

Seems to have more options for intrusion detection than I have seen on other routers.

Really do not like the LED arrangement too much. You need to have the box sitting a little to its side in order to see all feedback LED’s

These are just casual observations and I think if the other Buff comes and does what I want it to do, this setup should be just fine.

Thanks
post #63 of 703
I got mine up and running last night in my network. The two did coexist as a dedicated 'G' network with my existing 'B' network fine. I just set the channels in each network so as not to conflict with each other. I was also able to connect to the 'G' network on my laptop with one of the Buffalo units set up for shared bridging. I left the other as dedicated to keep it from acting like a repeater and slowing down the 'G' stuff. For now I just used the switch on the shared bridging box into the switch on my Linksys router so the Linksys is still doing the actual internet sharing.

I had a lot of fun with the Replays though which wasn't the Buffalo units fault. For some reason they were acting very flakey with the IPs I have always used... even if I had them hardwired to a single switch alone. I ended up changing the Replays IP addresses and everything started working fine on them after that point.

Now I can stream High quality with no problem at all and my normal internet/networking on the 'B' network doesn't effect streaming in the least.

Shawn
post #64 of 703
Thread Starter 
sfogg:

Excellent news! I'm glad someone else is having good luck with these units as well!

phlegmer:

Sorry to hear that you got a DOA unit. Hopefully it all works out. At least from my experience, the end result is very satisfying once everything gets set up.
post #65 of 703
jwtseng,

I have a couple more questions about your setup. Sfogg brought up the topic of different channels. On you setup, do you have different channels on each box or are you using the same channel?

Also, did you enable Frame Bursting or did you leave it off?

Thanks man!
post #66 of 703
Thread Starter 
phlegmer:

I am using channel 6 on all of my boxes. I was told that there really are only 3 non-overlapping channels in the spectrum...1, 6, and 11. And somehow channels 1 and 11 are a little bit truncated...so channel 6 it is! Also, I am using the same SSID on all the boxes. That way they appear as a single wireless network and my roaming clients associate to whichever box has the strongest signal at any particular place in and around the house.

Frame bursting is an 802.11g feature only. I understand that 802.11g devices can talk to each other at faster rates under some conditions, so I have enabled it. Can't hurt, I guess.

Also, I have disabled all the 802.11b stuff for my network (Turbo mode ON, ANY association disallowed, holding 802.11b association). For my now "legacy" 802.11b devices, I have hooked up my Airport basestation into one of the Buffalos and disabled DHCP. The 802.11b devices are on Channel 1 so as to not take bandwidth away from the 802.11g network. I have also turned off broadcasting of the 802.11b SSID so my G devices won't mistakenly associate with the 802.11b access point.
post #67 of 703
Quote:
Originally posted by phlegmer

Plugged #2 in with computer and cable modem attached, went through the CATV setup wizard and BAM, worked right away. One difference I noticed between #1 and #2 was the WAN light on #1 blinked a very steady on/off blink. The #2 WAN light has more of a flicker and it isn’t consistent like #1. So I guess if anyone ever gets one of these, can’t connect to the internet, and the WAN LED is just a steady blink, the unit is probably bad.
I had this problem with BOTH of the WBR-G54's my friend ordered (at my recommendation). However, I was able to fix both by upgrading to the latest firmware 1.30.1. Immdeiately after doing so, the WAN light went from a steady flash to a flutter flash indicating WAN activity. The setup works well now.

So, if anyone else has this problem, try flashing first to see if that fixes the problem. Phlegmer, I bet if you could have gotten a good flash it would have worked for you. In any case, apparently there is something weird with the WAN port setup on some of the units out of the box.
post #68 of 703
Thread Starter 
Just thought I'd give a positive data point...I just successfully updated the firmware to 1.31 in each of my 4 WBR-G54's over a wireless client connection without a single hitch.
post #69 of 703
I searched for 'loop' and 'loopback' within this thread. Didn't find anything except my unanswered question asking which of these wirelessG units have loopback.

Anyone know?

cow
post #70 of 703
Thread Starter 
sfogg or phlegmer or anyone else with a WBR-G54:

I'm trying to get IVS set up on my units. I believe that I have the NAT settings entered correctly in my main router WBR-G54, but I still can connect. any ideas?
post #71 of 703
"I believe that I have the NAT settings entered correctly in my main router WBR-G54, but I still can connect. any ideas?"

It isn't NAT that you need to setup it is port forwarding. Hit Applications, Playing Internet Games. Then put in the port number that you setup in one of your replays for internet sharing and then input its IP address in there. Repeat this process for each of your replays... they all need to have different port numbers.

Shawn
post #72 of 703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by sfogg
It isn't NAT that you need to setup it is port forwarding. Hit Applications, Playing Internet Games. Then put in the port number that you setup in one of your replays for internet sharing and then input its IP address in there. Repeat this process for each of your replays... they all need to have different port numbers.

Shawn
Actually, the "Playing Internet Games" interface is setting NAT. If you go into Advanced/Network Settings/Address Translation/ you should see the port forwarding information in the NAT table.

I've got everything set and I can ping each box and "http://ReplayIP:port/ivs-IVSGetUnitInfo" returns the appropriate serial numbers and nicknames. So I think I have everything set up correctly. I still can't add each respective RTV to my Internet Address Book, so I'm guessing that LAN "loopback" is not supported by the WBR-G54.

When I use "http://WAN_IP:port/ivs-IVSGetUnitInfo" I get an error message....probably indicating that loopback is not possible. I'll have to try from outside my own connection.

In the meantime, can someone try to send me a test clip? Here are my addresses:

RTV#1: 00004-54832-35172
RTV#2: 00004-54832-32946
post #73 of 703
jwtseng, I just tried both of your Replays and they both failed :(

If someone could quick send me a test clip just to see if my port forwarding works, it would be greatly appreciated

00004-54831-39593

I can't see why port forwarding from the WAN (loopback) wouldn't work because the settings on the Buff is quite specific. Go into the "Network Setting" section and then go into the "Address Translation". From there click the "Enter NAT Table" button. From the, enter the "Group Name" (ie ReplayTV),leave the "IP Address of WAN" as is, "WAN protocol" select "TCP/UDP" and enter the port number, type the IP of the Replay on the LAN in the "Manual setting" in the "IP Address of LAN" section, and then finally the port number in the "Protocol (LAN)" section. After you click "Add to NAT" table and the apply the settings by clicking "Set", it shows up in the list. It shows up on my list as follows:

Group Name (Replay) IP of WAN (Airstation's WAN IP) Protocol (TCPPort:replay's port #) <---> IP address on LAN (Replay's IP) Port # on LAN (TCPPort:replay's port #)

That pretty much tells me it SHOULD work.

Thanks
post #74 of 703
I currently have a wired network for the basement and 1st floor of my condo. Currently I have a 5060 on this network that's only using the internet for updating it's guide data and software. I recently added a 5040 for use on the 2nd floor (it's replacing a 3040) that has no ethernet jacks, and it's too much $$$ and effort to get jacks run upstairs. My decision is to add wireless access to my netowrk for use with my laptop and the 5040. I would like to be able to stream between units and also DVArchive at some point, and give my laptop wireless access. From what I've read of this thread (and a couple of others on this forum), the WBR-G54 seems like a very good option for my needs.

Note: My BEFSR41 is beginning to slowly die (2 ports on the switch are dead) so replacing it is an option.

I was thinking this would need to be my setup:

Cable Modem->WBR-G54(Router/WAP mode)->(Wired)5060(1st floor)
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WBR-G54 (bridge mode)
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5040 (2nd floor)

*The WBR-G54 in bridge mode is connected to the WBR-G54 in Router/WAP mode

Is this potential setup acceptible for streaming between my two Replays?
post #75 of 703
Thread Starter 
Phlegmer:

I'll try to send you a clip. FWIW, I received 3 clips to both of my machines earlier today, so I'm pretty sure that my port forwarding/NAT is working now. Let me know if you get my clip.
post #76 of 703
jwtseng,

Yep, got the clip! Not sure why when I sent it it didn't work? I had never actually sent a clip before so all I did was typed in your ID's for your replays and tried to send it. Oh well, I can mess around with it with some of buds here.

Thanks
post #77 of 703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Jeffwa
Cable Modem->WBR-G54(Router/WAP mode)->(Wired)5060(1st floor)
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WBR-G54 (bridge mode)
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\\|/
5040 (2nd floor)

*The WBR-G54 in bridge mode is connected to the WBR-G54 in Router/WAP mode

Is this potential setup acceptible for streaming between my two Replays?
I see no reason why this shouldn't work as long as both WBR-G54's are able to see each other (signal strength).
post #78 of 703
I'll have a laptop in my network. How would I setup the WBR-G54 that's upstairs to be an access point for it, or is that possible? I'd like to have my laptop access whichever WBR-54G is closer (or stronger which will probably be the same thing in my condo).
post #79 of 703
"How would I setup the WBR-G54 that's upstairs to be an access point for it, or is that possible?"

You just set them up to be shared (non dedicated) bridge units. This works fine as I did this in my setup.

If one unit on your wired segment has enough coverage for your entire site you can keep your bandwidth higher by only having that be the shared unit. Set the others to dedicated bridging and they won't act as repeaters (which takes up twice the bandwidth).

Shawn
post #80 of 703
Quote:
Originally posted by sfogg
You just set them up to be shared (non dedicated) bridge units. This works fine as I did this in my setup.

If one unit on your wired segment has enough coverage for your entire site you can keep your bandwidth higher by only having that be the shared unit. Set the others to dedicated bridging and they won't act as repeaters (which takes up twice the bandwidth).

Shawn
Good to know. Thanks everybody for the info. I'll be giving this a shot sometime this week.
post #81 of 703
One other thing: Will any wireless NIC brand work with the WBR-G54, or should I try and keep all one brand in my wireless network?
post #82 of 703
"Will any wireless NIC brand work with the WBR-G54"

They should. The biggest potential problem is setting up WEP between different brands as the way they specify the keys can vary some which can cause confusion. For the more advanced security options in the WBR-G54s you would probably need Buffalo cards to make it work. But those additonal security measures can't be used when bridging so it is irrelevant.

Best thing to do if you haven't played with wireless before is get everything up and running without wep first. That way you know it isn't causing problems if things aren't working. After everything is up and happy turn on WEP and setup the keys. That way when it doesn't work you aren't chasing your tail trying to figure out where the problem is.

Shawn
post #83 of 703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Jeffwa
One other thing: Will any wireless NIC brand work with the WBR-G54, or should I try and keep all one brand in my wireless network?
Another question you might want to consider is whether to allow only 802.11g devices on your WBR-G54 network. With a mixed network (even just one other 802.11b device) the entire network has to ratchet down to 802.11b throughput in order to accomodate. There are ways around this (CTS) but the net result is still submaximal throughput. Note: You can still plug in an additional 802.11b AP into a WBR-G54 to work with 802.11b devices.
post #84 of 703
Quote:
Originally posted by jwtseng
Another question you might want to consider is whether to allow only 802.11g devices on your WBR-G54 network. With a mixed network (even just one other 802.11b device) the entire network has to ratchet down to 802.11b throughput in order to accomodate. There are ways around this (CTS) but the net result is still submaximal throughput. Note: You can still plug in an additional 802.11b AP into a WBR-G54 to work with 802.11b devices.
Way ahead of you on this one, jwtseng. Since I have no other wireless devices at the moment, my plan was to go 802.11g only from the get go. I want speed for my netowrk, so no slow connections allowed. I also plan on locking down my network so no one else can get on my network except my bridged Replay 5040 and the wireless NIC I'll use in my laptop.
post #85 of 703
Thread Starter 
Jeffwa:

Good work pal...

A friend of mine set up what he thought was an 802.11g only network at his home. Everything was working fine except that he was getting nowhere near the speed on LAN transfers that he was expecting. Turns out that he never turned on MAC Address Filtering and some neighbor's kid was tapping into the wireless network with an 802.11b card slowing everything down!
post #86 of 703
Anyone know where I can find the Buffalo Tech WBR-G54 router besides CompUSA? They're (CompUSA) really beginning to piss me off. Website says a store in my area has it in stock, so I drive over there. Not even a space on a shelf for it. I ask when they might get them in. Respose: just call to check; we don't know. Ok, so I call in today and have gotten nothing but voicemail.

I'd order online, but I want it now, I need two, and I want both rebates.

*EDIT*
Looks like I'm stuck with CompUSA. The rebates I found are only good if you buy from them. Damn it!

*UPDATE*
CompUSA doesn't suck that much anymore. Was finally able to get someone on the phone, and they had the two routers I needed in stock and are willing to hold them. Good times are ahead!
post #87 of 703
I picked up 2 of these units and they work very well. I can stream high quality shows with no problems. I used 802.11b bridges before and was only able to stream standard quality shows with lots of glitching.

Make sure you upgrade the firmware to version 1.31 though. The older firmware has a max of 22mW for the antenna power, where the new firmware has a max of 32mW. This increase in power gives a much better range. And the port LEDs do show the speed of the line connected to the port. 100Mb is green and 10Mb is amber. This is mentioned in the back of the online guide.

The only problem with these, or any other wireless solution, is when my wife uses our 2.4G phone. Can you say STUTTER! I might have to buy her a 900Mhz phone.

Also, if I am using these in bridge only mode with no DHCP, do I still have to use port forwarding for IVS?

octavian
post #88 of 703
jwtseng - Thanks so much for starting this thread. I've had 1 rtv for just under a year & wanted to hook it into the network but didn't want to run wires. I got a second one during the refurb special a short time ago & hooked it into the network in the computer room just to screw with dvarchive. Made up my mind I had to go wireless for both rtv's after that but wanted to stream on the cheap.

After reading this thread I went ahead and ordered 3 WBR-G54's from Dell. Just got them all set up yesterday. I've done some reading but am a total newbie on wireless. Got them all going and can stream fine even in high quality.

The old rtv is still in the living room on the 1st floor hooked up to a WBR-G54. The new one is now in the bedroom hooked to a WBR-G54. The 3rd WBR-G54 is in the computer room hanging off my linksys brfsx41. I didn't want to swap it out yet since it works fine as a cable router now. May change that later but no need.

This thread was helpful in getting set up but I don't think that I have an optimal set up. I'm just happy it works. I am running all 3 in bridge mode only since I don't have any wireless clients (yet). Bridging makes sense to me when it's only 2 units but once it goes to 3 I'm not sure of my set up. It would take a bunch more typing to describe what I went through to get this going. Will provide detail if someone thinks they can help me optimize.

Been a lurker on this forum since I got my 1st rtv. Great group of helpful people. If I can help someone else by my experience with this just ask.

FYI - I updated the firmware on all 3 units to v1.31 & didn't have any problems.

I noticed that the wireless LED on the front just stays green. The LAN port LED for the port that the rtv is hooked up to flashes during activity but not the wireless LED. From the manual: "Wireless LED should be GREEN if the line is active. If is it blinking GREEN, wireless communication is active." Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks again.
- Jim Farrow
post #89 of 703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Jeffwa
AnI'd order online, but I want it now, I need two, and I want both rebates.
Jeffwa:

I hope you got your units. If not, I would still recommend Dell.com. Free shipping for orders over $100 and the WBR-G54's are only 85.99 each... no rebates! Here in California there was no tax either. About a week ago, there was an additional 10% off code as well. Took less than a week to get mine.

Anyway you get them, these units are still pretty cool for RTV and more!
post #90 of 703
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by octavian
Make sure you upgrade the firmware to version 1.31 though. The older firmware has a max of 22mW for the antenna power, where the new firmware has a max of 32mW. This increase in power gives a much better range.
Octavian, I'm glad to hear that your got your units working and all! I noticed the increase in the power number, too, but I wasn't sure how it was possible. Hey, if it increases the range then that's even better!

Quote:
Also, if I am using these in bridge only mode with no DHCP, do I still have to use port forwarding for IVS?
I think you still need to use port forwarding on your main router so that incoming IVS traffic knows how to find your bridged RTV.
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