Hartford, CT - OTA - Page 179

They will likely advise you to get an antenna "booster" because it is a weak signal problem. No one else has reported such a problem so it is obvious you are doing something wrong. If you get past the first layer and into the lower regions of tech support, you will be told they are working on it and they will call you when they're good and ready. If you call back after a couple of months of hearing nothing, they will tell you that you are just confusing the issue by calling all the time, that the Tivo engineers are working with "the cable company" on the problem, and they will call you when they're good and ready. WHATEVER YOU DO at that point, do NOT try to explain the difference between cable TV and off-the-air; this identifies you as a "difficult" customer.

BTW don't re-scan channels. You will probably lose 10.3 and have nothing at all.

I have been able to pull in the signal without ch 26 giving me a problem by pointing one of the 2 antennas south by 3 degrees and then peaking the antenna set on the 24 signal. Picture quality is good. I wanted to get away from 53 because they shut off at night and the signal seems to always give me ghosting. I went to several different antennas and two different locations to clear it up and couldnt so when I was able to see the 24 signal, I went to that. I have both now and found ch 53 comes on before 24 does sometimes in the morning so the 24 hour hope was lost on that on but I guess WEDH may have it in the works. So now I have reliable picture quality as compared to using WEDN, I never knew when it would go out. Sorry guys. I know you work hard on keeping it on the air. Ch 31 problem I think is resolved. I have 3 antennas combined for the signal now. 1 is at the top of the tower another about 15 feet lower and another just about 5 feet lower.I combined the 2 antennas that were equaly spaced and then combined the third into that combined signal and I have not had even as much as a blip since. I realy think it did it by not allowing 31 WUHF to gain into all 3 antennasat once while WTIC DT does show a gain combined. The amp is also no longer connected. Talk soon, John

Although it's been indicated no one else seems to have experienced your Tivo Series 3 problem, your DTV apparently substantiated that, I have seen corrupted PSIP date occur during the scanning process.

What does you DTV receive when manually tuned to 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, etc., and 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc., for comparison? That may shed shed some light.

Since 8 & 10 are programed by the same NH TV Station, known to have had PSIP issues in the very recent past and had reconfigured channels between 8 and 10, I wouldn't put it past that there may still be an issue with them.

I would suggest the opposite of previous posted suggestion. I would delete all of 8 and all of 10 and then only enter 10.1 first manually. Then see if you get the all the sub channels with their PSIP changing back to 8.1, etc.

Some TV stations "announce" the digital channels in their analog OTA XDS data and again "announce" the analog channel in the digital OTA PSIP. If your Tvio Series 3 has both an NTSC and an ATSC tuner, the too tables if not correct could cause a similar problem.

So try a manual tune to the DTV channel, and see if the PSIP corrects itself. Add channel.

Then try a manual tune to the analog 8.0 NTSC channel. See if it screws up the 8.1 channel. If not, add channel.

Follow through and report...

Replacing the S3 with another S3 will not solve the problem, as there is indeed something else going on. This thread has had discussion on it. Try starting here:

Similar issues have been discussed over at TCF, from different geographic areas. TiVo is certainly aware of the problem, and has been said to be working on a solution, but as far as when that may happen, no one knows.

OMG I'm not the only one. lol I've been struggling with figuring out what is wrong with WTHN for a month now. Glad I found this post. I've also emailed the station, but have gotten no answer. I watch my ABC on 40-1, but would prefer the CT local stuff.

Aren't broadcasters required by the FCC to deliver properly formatted signals?

I live in South Windsor and have had fair success with OTA using a 4 bay Chan nel Master in my attic. No signal with Fox digital 61-1. I just had a H20 (model 600) installed along with the slimline dish. Disconnected my preamp, connected the antenna (attic) to the H20 and now get 10 "locals" with excellent rec eption. Stations 3-1,8-1,20-1,22-1,30-1,40-1,57-1,61-1 and two others.

The H20-600 has the 5th generation LG chip in it, the best on the market, so far. I hope you have better luck with the H20 than I had with mine. It can be a glitchy box, but when it works right, it is very good.

First...The FCC has too much to due just to get DTV broadcasters on air...before February 17, 2009...They are buried in a paper work nightmare...Just wait till consumers wake up and realize what is going to happen to OTA TV...

So far I haven't seen or heard any federal public service announcements on TV or Radio concerning OTA analog TV changing to digital TV. Although lately, better late than never, I have seen the warning stickers beginning to show up on analog sets.

Your are surely not alone with your delimma.

The initial implementation of the PSIP data was convoluted at best IMOO. Allot was learned over the past 10 years, but evidently not enough to keep the problems from resurfacing with each new introduction of consumer equipment.

The manor in which each manufactures next generation of DTVs, DVRs & Stabs react compared to the previous generation is interesting to note:

For example when the cable companies refused to pass the OTA DTV PSIP and substituted their own, some tuners within the same manufacturer display open cable QAM as three digits like 200 or 82.1. Then the cable companies rearranged the OTA virtual channels reflecting the OTA DTV like 8.1. Yet some DTVs and Stabs are still displaying 82.1 or screwed up like 0.0 for a couple of days until they get it corrected.

That's why forum members qualify responses to whether questionable problem exist for "OTA" or "CableTV"

Then broadcasters are informed that the PSIP equipment they had previously purchased is now obsolete due to a standard or rule change or the manufacturer gives up support for equipment that may be less than a couple of years old...and that equipment is not inexpensive by any means...Install new equipment and all configurations must be rebuilt from scratch due to incompatibilities with previous system...It's not an automatic hands off device...

Too many chiefs in the kitchen mucking with the soup...

"What does you DTV receive when manually tuned to 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, etc., and 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc., for comparison? That may shed shed some light"

I am not sure how to manually tune to digital channels such as 8.1 etc. It seems to me that you can only go to those channels after completing a channel scan.

"I would delete all of 8 and all of 10 and then only enter 10.1 first manually."

How do I delete channels? How do I enter manually?

Based on earlier posts in this thread, equipment replacement seems to be the likely culprit in this case, and for a while a lot of equipment had PSIP problems. But they have obviously continued to twiddle and most tuners that had problems now pick them up. I personally have an old VOOM set top box that was broken and now works, and I've heard other people reporting more success as well.

In defense of WTNH upgrades: I'm all for it. They had absolutely horrendous lip-sync problems as recently as a few months ago, so they clearly had some needs. To their credit, they seem to be trying to improve.

"BTW don't re-scan channels. You will probably lose 10.3 and have nothing at all"

Before reading your post, I had already scanned for channels about four times with the antenna pointing in different directions. 10.3 was there every time.

I would say you confirmed your own suspicions. 10.1, etc.., are the actual digital channels where as 8.1, etc..., are supposed to be the virtual PSIP remap which evidently you are not getting. So PSIP issues continues...

Curious again if your DTV OTA set when connected to the antenna w/ out Tvio reacts the same way or does that DTV set handle the PSIP differently...

Yes, I should have made it more clear that WTNH, the ABC affiliate in my area, that is known as channel 8, does in fact broadcast on digital channel 10.

I also should have made it clearer that directly into the TV set, when I tune to 8.1, I do get WTNH with a picture.

The confusing thing is that when using the Tivo, channel 8.1 says that the signal is 97 yet there is no picture. Sorry if I am confusing the issue but I am struggling to understand the whole thing.

I have the same problem with a FusionHDTV PCI capture card on my Vista Media Center. It can not tune to digital 8-1 despite a good signal on digital allocation 10. So something is wonky with their PSIP.

Similar issue for me, but only for 8.2 using a Direct TV HR20 DVR. Signal strength is solid, but no picture. I actually miss that radar loop, especially this time of year!

I think they moved that radar. Try 59.2.

The company that runs both WTNH and WCTX seems to have moved the weather radar loop to 59_2. The guide data (such as it is) remains on 8_2.

Not clear whether this is another symptom of the problem. More likely they just decided to move it and haven't gotten around to fixing the guide.

I wish I could just tune to 59-2. I have the additional problem that the D* HR20 does not scan for OTA statians. Instead, it "looks them up" from some D* database once you enter your zip code. So, until D* updates their DB with the available OTA stations for CT, and that may rely on accurate PSIP data (don't really know), I won't be able to tune to 59-2. A definite short coming of this box.

Is there anyone here able to receive digital channel 8.1 - WTNH out of Hartford Connecticut, with a TIVO SERIES 3 and an OTA antenna?

On mine, I get a signal level of 99-100 on 8.1 but no picture at all. Hook the antenna directly to the TV and tune 8.1 and the picture is perfect.

I believe earlier in this thread someone claimed to know someone who swapped out his s3 for a new one and was then able to get 8.1. The poster was asked to confirm that but did not respond. Otherwise, as far as I know the answer to your question is "no."

Soo my Dad and Stepmom just got a 40" Sony LCD HDTV. And I keep on telling my dad to get HD because there would be no point in having the HDTV.

He called Metrocast, his cable provider, and they told him he has to get a DVR if he wants HDTV.

Is this true?

Not necessarily. They may be able to get local hd channels just by using the QAM tuner in the tv, if it has one. It likely does. To get the full hd lineup, they need an hd set top box. Metrocast may not have an hd box that isn't a dvr. Check their website to find that out.

I just purchased a Channel Master CM 3021 4 Bay Bowtie UHF Antenna from Solid Signal. I just switched to Cox cable and got HD with my subscription. no longer need this antenna. Anyone interested in buying it? I am in he Southington Area. also have th satelite extension as well. $35.00 or best offer. Anyone interested?
Thanks,
Tim

Plug the coax cable from the wall directly into your CABLE jack on the back of the TV. No DVR or converter box in the middle.

Then go into the MENU and do an ANALOG/DIGITAL channel scan for the cabletv input. You may need to push the ANT button on your remote to switch from Over the air (ANTENNA jack) back and forth to the Cable tuner.

Hopefully your channel scan will find some local (unscrambled) HD channels from the cable company. If not, you can always buy a small antenna and see if you can pick them up over-the-air.

Or as a last resort, sign up for the DVR and pay the bill.

Is anyone else seeing "No Signal" on 3.3? I have 92% signal but nothing displays. It was working Sunday. 3.1 & 3.2 are good.

Also - Any news at all on PBS Channel 6 DT out of New Haven?? It sure would be nice to get any PBS signal in digital form...

What was on 3.3 on Sunday? They had a 24 hr news feed for awhile, but I thought that was taken off.

Channel 6 was on for a while last year, but it was temporary. I'm not sure when it will be on full time.

Who is channel 6 in this case? :O

CPTV from New Haven.

[quote=raoul5788]What was on 3.3 on Sunday? [quote]

It was the 24hr news/weather report.

WEDY DT-6 New Haven...OTA Testing June2006 through Nov2006.

Currently silent awaiting FCC determination for granting program test authority, the last hurdle prior to applying for license.

WEDY Ch 65 New Haven...Silent as of June2005. Out of core channel, early filing for turning in.

Connecticut Public Broadcasting, Inc. (CPBI) / Connecticut Public Television (CPTV).